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Post by B on Mar 6, 2023 16:24:09 GMT -5
Any news on the search or possible candidates?
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Post by aggie2039 on Mar 6, 2023 16:40:24 GMT -5
NC A&T’s Phillip Shumpert has served as the interim head coach all season, but NC A&T has now officially posted the job (HERE). I have heard that there will be an announcement this week that will shed some more light on the situation. A bunch of “older” coaches already lining up for this one. Stay tuned. hoopdirt.com/daily-dirt-3-6-23/ |
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Post by AggieGroove on Mar 6, 2023 17:46:31 GMT -5
NC A&T’s Phillip Shumpert has served as the interim head coach all season, but NC A&T has now officially posted the job (HERE). I have heard that there will be an announcement this week that will shed some more light on the situation. A bunch of “older” coaches already lining up for this one. Stay tuned. hoopdirt.com/daily-dirt-3-6-23/Good find....thanks! The postings shouldn't said older dudes not welcome.....  |
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Post by B on Mar 6, 2023 20:24:27 GMT -5
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 6, 2023 23:40:39 GMT -5
Oleschoolaggie, I don't feel that you have contradicted yourself, but myself and others still respectfully disagree with this particular comment made by you {however, i would "consider" their input}. Some, including myself, believe the players should not be included "at all" in the hiring search or decision process no matter what influence it has on the final decision. It does not make us right and you wrong. It is just my opinion vs your opinion. Martin, Hilton, and maybe a search firm are calling the shots. I would like to expand on "my opinion" for not to involve players "at all" in the hiring of a coach or search process. 1. Only two exceptions to my opinion. First is if abuse or violations are going on in the program then an investigation may be necessary. This typically is done in the termination process and not the hiring process. Second is if we have a superstar player who I feel may leave if I don't include them in the decision process. To me this already says there is a lack of trust between the player and administrators. 2. Player's input to me is like filling out a customer experience survey or employee suggestion box. It will be based on each player's feelings and experience with the current coaching staff and we already know coaches treat players differently. Secondly, this could be implemented at any point throughout the year to address issues/concerns within the program. If A&T were to do this on an annual basis because they felt it was important, then again you will already have players current input and there would be no need to make consulting athletes part of the "hiring process". It is already built-in. But to keep it even more simple, the administration already knows how the kids feel about certain things/issues directly and indirectly. 3. The hiring of a coach is "treated" primarily as a long term business decision, although we all know that is not always the case. These new NIL era players are just now getting a grasp on the business side of sports. Why would the Chancellor or AD, put "any" weight in what an inexperienced student-athlete has to say from a business perspective in the hiring of a new coach? Should they seek player's input on extension of a coach's contract? Where is the line you draw when it is ok not to seek player's input? Issues/concerns regarding the program yes, business no. Some of these players due to the transfer portal are only here at A&T for 1 to 2 years. I am not going down that rabbit hole when it is not necessary or required by anyone. 4. Lastly, but maybe the weakest reason, is that the institutional standard is not to involve the players in the hiring process of a coach. Just because other institutions or past A&T administrators followed this standard, does not mean the current administrators have to follow suit, but you should have a good explanation why not to. Again, none of this says my opinions are right or better than others. I just respectfully disagree with atleast that particular portion of your opinion. By the way, I totally agree with you regarding the uniform discussion. If the coach is ok with it, I am ok with it. New generation of players. I have gotten over it, although I prefer all players dressed alike. honestly, i didn't read everything you typed, i'm a lazy reader and ran out of patience. nonetheless, "considering" the players input is a way of "understanding" today's athletes and their trends/tendencies. you are hiring a coach to lead today's athletes. so if you yourself never communicate with today's student athletes, then you will not be in the best position possible to hire the right coach. i don't see how that is even disputable. you choose to "ignore" the very people who you are tasked to hire someone to be their mentor, that's irresponsible in my opinion. that's not covering all the bases. that's like someone else picking your lawyer, realtor, or accountant for you without considering your own thoughts... A&T administrators are not "ignoring" the players if they choose to not involve them in the "HC hiring process". Where is this coming from? What unique inputs can the players give Martin/Hilton that they can't pickup from scouting CAA schools and watching our MBB team? I have seen pictures of Martin attending games. Who is to say that Martin/Hinton don't watch a lot of televised/streamed? games. As for as what is happening on the court, we (forum posters) do a pretty good job posting what we feel the team needs without seeking inputs from the players. Why do you assume they can't do the same? If they hire a good coach with a winning history, I can assume the coach is going to bring in his coaches and run his system with adjustments dependent on the team's skillset, abilities, athleticism, basketball IQ, etc. I believe A&T does a lot in caring for students and have many other channels to address students and student-athletes needs. I don't know why you feel A&T doesn't understand "today's" players and their trends/tendencies. That is a major responsibility of coaches and administrators in recruiting players to A&T. Why do you think they are making all of these campus facilities/building and technology improvements? Not for my old self, but to adjust to the needs of the current and future students/players. Now no institution is perfect in this area, but I would not use the word "never" in reference to A&T's communication with students/players. |
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Mar 7, 2023 7:30:31 GMT -5
Jamal Brunt Associate Head Coach at VCU would be an excellent candidate also has some good experience at Miami. He played at Randolph Macon
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 7, 2023 10:45:36 GMT -5
I had Jamal Brunt as 1 of 10-15 coaches I was looking at when the job originally became "open" between Joyner and Jones.
Again, there are so many qualified coaches out there who have the credentials to be our next head coach. Hopefully, we will get one of them.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 7, 2023 11:35:32 GMT -5
I think we should just follow the same formula that we used to select Vincent Brown: find somebody who has been where we are trying to go.
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 7, 2023 12:35:08 GMT -5
See the quotation marks around "assume" in my response to you. In my opinion, "Great/Good" schools will have administrators that care about the well-being of their students and student-athletes more so than other schools, therefore, it is not a stretch for me and others to "assume" A&T's administrators would have already known about certain things/issues and would not need to conduct a player's meeting to find these things out. Not "all" things/issues, but "certain" things/issues. Now if you want to question my statement or disagree with it, I am fine with it. It is just my assumption, which could be wrong. It also is such a miniscule part and not the main focus of what I wanted to communicate in my posted book report 😀. Way too long as someone said!!! Quote taken from original post: But to keep it even more simple, the administration already knows how the kids feel about certain things/issues directly and indirectly. Your 1st statement was as if you know, not assume. Assume/Assumption is different from knowing. Not always. We also have the case where assumption combined with the proper circumstantial evidence or common knowledge can amount to knowing, which is the case in this discussion. Actual knowledge or direct evidence is not always needed to prove a fact or the truth. For example, if it rained earlier but you didn't see it, you can still claim you know that it rained based on circumstantial evidence or common knowledge due to the surroundings (puddles, wet objects, smell of the atmosphere, etc). Alex Murdaugh, the South Carolina attorney, was just sentenced to life last week on an assumption/allegation that he killed his wife and son based on circumstantial evidence. There was no direct evidence (gun, bloody clothes, or video showing that he killed them) presented at trial. This is not A&T's first rodeo of player's losing a head coach in any sport. They have a long history of knowledge on this subject matter, especially basketball. Why make the assumption that the administration knows "nothing" on how the players feel about "certain things/issues"? My original statement is so vague that it can easily be taken as factual based on everyday circumstantial evidence or common knowledge about administrators' responsibilities in taking care of its students/players. This is well known by many. A&T is no different than most schools in this matter. The administration knows without having a sit down meeting with the players that some/all feel: unhappy with the loss of their head coach at the beginning of the season, hate that their season has come to an end earlier than expected, want upgraded facilities, want improved housing, etc. A&T is already addressing many of these issues/concerns from the players. You pointed me to the master plan of future improvement.🙂 These few items alone satisfy my vague statement. So yes, the administration "already knows" how the kids feel about certain things/issues directly and indirectly even if I did not have any direct communication with Martin, Hilton, players, etc. An assumption by me that is a fact or true based on common knowledge. But getting back to the main thread topic, who knows who is right (you or me) when it comes to whether the administration "should" meet with the players to get their inputs before hiring a new head coach. It depends on the circumstances and participating parties. My turning point revolves around player abuse, program violations, or superstar player request to be involved. For you, it appears to be a lot sooner. |
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Post by A&T-roy on Mar 7, 2023 17:41:19 GMT -5
Your 1st statement was as if you know, not assume. Assume/Assumption is different from knowing. Not always. We also have the case where assumption combined with the proper circumstantial evidence or common knowledge can amount to knowing, which is the case in this discussion. Actual knowledge or direct evidence is not always needed to prove a fact or the truth. For example, if it rained earlier but you didn't see it, you can still claim you know that it rained based on circumstantial evidence or common knowledge due to the surroundings (puddles, wet objects, smell of the atmosphere, etc). Alex Murdaugh, the South Carolina attorney, was just sentenced to life last week on an assumption/allegation that he killed his wife and son based on circumstantial evidence. There was no direct evidence (gun, bloody clothes, or video showing that he killed them) presented at trial. This is not A&T's first rodeo of player's losing a head coach in any sport. They have a long history of knowledge on this subject matter, especially basketball. Why make the assumption that the administration knows "nothing" on how the players feel about "certain things/issues"? My original statement is so vague that it can easily be taken as factual based on everyday circumstantial evidence or common knowledge about administrators' responsibilities in taking care of its students/players. This is well known by many. A&T is no different than most schools in this matter. The administration knows without having a sit down meeting with the players that some/all feel: unhappy with the loss of their head coach at the beginning of the season, hate that their season has come to an end earlier than expected, want upgraded facilities, want improved housing, etc. A&T is already addressing many of these issues/concerns from the players. You pointed me to the master plan of future improvement.🙂 These few items alone satisfy my vague statement. So yes, the administration "already knows" how the kids feel about certain things/issues directly and indirectly even if I did not have any direct communication with Martin, Hilton, players, etc. An assumption by me that is a fact or true based on common knowledge. But getting back to the main thread topic, who knows who is right (you or me) when it comes to whether the administration "should" meet with the players to get their inputs before hiring a new head coach. It depends on the circumstances and participating parties. My turning point revolves around player abuse, program violations, or superstar player request to be involved. For you, it appears to be a lot sooner. They're still different. You're trying to add circumstance/knowledge to make it the sane. No go. |
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 8, 2023 16:35:54 GMT -5
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Post by B on Mar 9, 2023 16:37:01 GMT -5
LOL! I've already seen the poll and the thread. I'm in the camp you're going to have to pay to play. Probably $275K - $400K. I think anything less than $325K then A&T is either cash strapped or not serious. Just my opinion. However, if we can find an elite coach on the cheap then great. I just think that's been our mo in the past for mbb and it hasn't really worked out. |
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Post by aggiegrad97 on Mar 9, 2023 18:25:44 GMT -5
I wonder how much his asking price is 😂
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 9, 2023 18:46:23 GMT -5
I wonder how much his asking price is 😂 I had mentioned this in one of my earlier posts, if he became available. He has 3 years remaining on his contract and if we could convince him to coach us for those 3 years for cheap ($400K to $500K for him) it would be a win-win situation. He builds up his resume and we use his name to attract much better recruits and coaching staff. The coaching staff is key because we need to make sure we develop a good coach in waiting to take over after 3 years. I also would ask Jim Boeheim how much he would take to coach us since it sounds like he was forced out and did not want to retire. All they can say is no, but they may also be interested. |
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Post by aggiegrad97 on Mar 9, 2023 19:10:52 GMT -5
I wonder how much his asking price is 😂 I had mentioned this in one of my earlier posts, if he became available. He has 3 years remaining on his contract and if we could convince him to coach us for those 3 years for cheap ($400K to $500K for him) it would be a win-win situation. He builds up his resume and we use his name to attract much better recruits and coaching staff. The coaching staff is key because we need to make sure we develop a good coach in waiting to take over after 3 years. I also would ask Jim Boeheim how much he would take to coach us since it sounds like he was forced out and did not want to retire. All they can say is no, but they may also be interested. That’s actually a pretty good idea in theory. I wonder would the school have the balls to even reach out to him/Gtown to begin with though |
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