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Post by A&T-roy on Apr 1, 2023 22:29:07 GMT -5
My lovely lady (a decorated Aggie Alumna) & I got into a heated discussion about exactly WHO will get the job. It is my prediction that an Afro American asst coach from a PWI will be the choice over an Afro American HC from a HBCU because the decision makers truly believe that the PWI ice & water is colder and tastier. BJ McKie from Wake Forest is the rumored favorite, & he has ZERO HC experience, but hey…He played for Mr Charlie at South Carolina & is an assistant at Wake Forest, so that’s better than an applicant up 85 North who’s a proven winner who meets the criterion listed on the job posting. Bottom line…While our decision makers are playing hide the sausage, PWI’s are hiring coaches within 1-2 days. Our players are jumping in the portal while we wait for superman. It’s a foregone conclusion now…We have wasted time & as a result have accepted the idea that men’s basketball will struggle (suck) for 2-3 seasons before we see the benefits of the new coach’s recruits & coaching philosophy. Mark my words…A&T is moving away from the HBCU coaching tree to fit their NEW narrative. It’s a new day at 1601 East Market Street. Enjoy women’s soccer, lacrosse, swimming, & golf. I don't mind us moving away from the HBCU coaching tree in order to get someone knowledgeable of the conference we play in and I don't believe they believe PWI ice & water is colder and tastier. I believe they just recognize the value of knowledge and experience from where we're participating, at least that would be my position. I haven't accepted that we'll struggle (suck) for 2-3 seasons. The portal has too many players to accept that notion, at this point. Yep, it's a new day at 1601 East Market. |
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Post by aggie82 on Apr 4, 2023 10:36:28 GMT -5
Just my two cents worth. No matter who the coach is, we need to get CAA caliber players, and I hope Coach Ross can get some of the hard nosed kids from the Northeast corridor along with some kids from NC. But more importantly, we need kids that want to attend NC A&T (for at least 2 years). The landscape is changing. If you get more than 2 years out of a kid that can really play, count it a blessing.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 4, 2023 12:31:55 GMT -5
Just my two cents worth. No matter who the coach is, we need to get CAA caliber players, and I hope Coach Ross can get some of the hard nosed kids from the Northeast corridor along with some kids from NC. But more importantly, we need kids that want to attend NC A&T (for at least 2 years). The landscape is changing. If you get more than 2 years out of a kid that can really play, count it a blessing. I agree. I dont think the University itself is used enough for recruiting. It should be the #1 tool for all sports. Not facilities, not making it to the pros, but the university itself. The academics and culture. Before and After you graduate. Ross(the track coach) knew how to do that very well and maybe he knew it so well because his kids went here. Make sure a kid wants to come to A&T, knows the history, knows the value after sports of being an Aggie, etc. Then you can build. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 4, 2023 13:09:32 GMT -5
Just my two cents worth. No matter who the coach is, we need to get CAA caliber players, and I hope Coach Ross can get some of the hard nosed kids from the Northeast corridor along with some kids from NC. But more importantly, we need kids that want to attend NC A&T (for at least 2 years). The landscape is changing. If you get more than 2 years out of a kid that can really play, count it a blessing. I agree. I dont think the University itself is used enough for recruiting. It should be the #1 tool for all sports. Not facilities, not making it to the pros, but the university itself. The academics and culture. Before and After you graduate. Ross(the track coach) knew how to do that very well and maybe he knew it so well because his kids went here. Make sure a kid wants to come to A&T, knows the history, knows the value after sports of being an Aggie, etc. Then you can build. the "reality" is, most recruits don't select the school they attend simply because of the university itself. why do you think the portal is so full of players? the "reality" is, most recruits pick the school they attend "primarily" (not only) because of reasons other than the university itself. its usually things like facilities, winning tradition, or they like the coach. the university itself often doesn't impact the decision as much as those things but i'm not saying the university itself doesn't have any impact. our track facilities has always been above average and coach ross used that to his advantage. why do you think we've hosted so many "elite" track meets over the years, even "before" we had it renovated? coach ross was successful bringing top talent to a&t "more so" because his recruits liked "him" a great deal which is why so many of them left the program when he left and either followed him to tennessee or some other school. many of those same super athletes that coach ross brought to a&t "bounced" as soon as he "bounced". why didn't they stay because of "a&t the university" since you say that was the selling point for coach ross that brought them here? |
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Post by aggie82 on Apr 4, 2023 14:02:27 GMT -5
We have to make it a priority to get the right kind of kids. Just like high academic schools like "smart" kids, we have to identify the "right type of kid for A&T. I posed this question a few years ago when my son played at Central, "What is the profile for an A&T basketball player"? You knew Coach Velle liked older, second chance kids. And he built on that. Perhaps we need to go for a higher academic type kid, so that they see not just the athletics, but the academic value in attending A&T. And if kids play their way to a higher ranking conference, hopefully their time here will translate to wins.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 4, 2023 14:25:52 GMT -5
I agree. I dont think the University itself is used enough for recruiting. It should be the #1 tool for all sports. Not facilities, not making it to the pros, but the university itself. The academics and culture. Before and After you graduate. Ross(the track coach) knew how to do that very well and maybe he knew it so well because his kids went here. Make sure a kid wants to come to A&T, knows the history, knows the value after sports of being an Aggie, etc. Then you can build. the "reality" is, most recruits don't select the school they attend simply because of the university itself. why do you think the portal is so full of players? the "reality" is, most recruits pick the school they attend "primarily" (not only) because of reasons other than the university itself. its usually things like facilities, winning tradition, or they like the coach. the university itself often doesn't impact the decision as much as those things but i'm not saying the university itself doesn't have any impact. our track facilities has always been above average and coach ross used that to his advantage. why do you think we've hosted so many "elite" track meets over the years, even "before" we had it renovated? coach ross was successful bringing top talent to a&t "more so" because his recruits liked "him" a great deal which is why so many of them left the program when he left and either followed him to tennessee or some other school. many of those same super athletes that coach ross brought to a&t "bounced" as soon as he "bounced". why didn't they stay because of "a&t the university" since you say that was the selling point for coach ross that brought them here? That was my whole point. Change that narrative and recruit the kids that do care or make them care. There are kids and parents that still do. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 4, 2023 14:28:49 GMT -5
We have to make it a priority to get the right kind of kids. Just like high academic schools like "smart" kids, we have to identify the "right type of kid for A&T. I posed this question a few years ago when my son played at Central, "What is the profile for an A&T basketball player"? You knew Coach Velle liked older, second chance kids. And he built on that. Perhaps we need to go for a higher academic type kid, so that they see not just the athletics, but the academic value in attending A&T. And if kids play their way to a higher ranking conference, hopefully their time here will translate to wins. Interesting idea. I guess the new coach would have to determine what kind of culture he wants to establish here and what kind of kids would fit that culture. Right now we have a blank canvas. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 4, 2023 15:53:56 GMT -5
i think when selecting kids to recruit, there's no "magic" to it. in other words, no matter who you recruit or why a recruit chooses a school to attend, there will always be a possibility that those recruits may hit the transfer portal. the transfer portal changed "everything" relative to a recruit's loyalty to any given college.
to me, i say go after any and all recruits who you think can help your program reach it's goals. whether that be high school, 4th or 5th year players, or somewhere in between. it is not predictable if or when a recruit may want to transfer. some of the best coaches and college programs in the country lose scholarship players to the portal, so its bound to happen anywhere.
my thing is, don't change the way you recruit (in terms of what kind of kids to go after) just because of the portal. to me, the only "red flag" to recruiting is a kid who has "repeatedly" transferred from school to school. i'd tend to stay away from those type of recruits. otherwise, it would be business as usual if it were up to me.
to me, rather than change your style of recruiting due to kids transferring, why not better understand the "reasons" so many athletes transfer (i.e., lack of playing time, coach got fired or took another job, team loses/under performs, want to play at a higher level, et cetera). that way, if you better understand "why" athletes transfer, you can take measures (if necessary) to alleviate the possibility of your athletes leaving your program.
other than that, as a coach, i wouldn't try to recruit only a certain kind of athlete. i'd try to make my program "less" desirable to leave...
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Post by Maxell on Apr 4, 2023 16:41:20 GMT -5
We have to make it a priority to get the right kind of kids. Just like high academic schools like "smart" kids, we have to identify the "right type of kid for A&T. I posed this question a few years ago when my son played at Central, "What is the profile for an A&T basketball player"? You knew Coach Velle liked older, second chance kids. And he built on that. Perhaps we need to go for a higher academic type kid, so that they see not just the athletics, but the academic value in attending A&T. And if kids play their way to a higher ranking conference, hopefully their time here will translate to wins. Interesting idea. I guess the new coach would have to determine what kind of culture he wants to establish here and what kind of kids would fit that culture. Right now we have a blank canvas. I don't think it's blank. I think the foundational culture has been established by Martin and how athletics reflects the personality of the university and he himself. I think he wants a disciplined, dominant, championship program. Win with a "wine and cheese" swagger. "Aggie Arrogance" I think the hires of Coaches Brown and Johnson reflect that. Coach Jones did not fit that persona. We'll see about Coach Ross. |
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Post by aggie82 on Apr 5, 2023 10:22:02 GMT -5
The point that often get's overlooked in the recruiting conversation is this.. "Is the Kid a Winner"? Did he win in high school, Did he win in AAU, did he win at his last institution? I think this comes into play especially at the PG position. Are we recruiting stars or are we recruiting winners? Additionally, is the kid a good basketball player? We live in a era now where people praise athleticism over skill. We need some kids that can play basketball. Guys that are skilled. We need guys who can make shots, not volume shooters. We need a PG to run the offense, not to be the leading scorer. We need bigs who can rebound, defend and make shots around the basket. Is this asking for too much, or am i being delusional in my old age?
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Post by saabman on Apr 5, 2023 14:21:36 GMT -5
The point that often get's overlooked in the recruiting conversation is this.. "Is the Kid a Winner"? Did he win in high school, Did he win in AAU, did he win at his last institution? I think this comes into play especially at the PG position. Are we recruiting stars or are we recruiting winners? Additionally, is the kid a good basketball player? We live in a era now where people praise athleticism over skill. We need some kids that can play basketball. Guys that are skilled. We need guys who can make shots, not volume shooters. We need a PG to run the offense, to to be the leading scorer. We need bigs who can rebound, defend and make shots around the basket. Is this asking for too much, or am i being delusional in my old age? I agree with all but the point guard statement. We need a point guard that can be a director and facilitator first and a scorer second . Scorers that play the guard position are not hard to find . But the true point guards are few . |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 5, 2023 15:29:07 GMT -5
i was hoping that dukes would become the next kam langley but it doesn't appear that's gonna happen. if i was a college basketball coach, a "true" point guard (not a pg in name only) would be one of my "highest priorities". akin to a qb being one of the highest priorities for a football coach...
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Post by saabman on Apr 5, 2023 17:06:37 GMT -5
i was hoping that dukes would become the next kam langley but it doesn't appear that's gonna happen. if i was a college basketball coach, a "true" point guard (not a pg in name only) would be one of my "highest priorities". akin to a qb being one of the highest priorities for a football coach... I think Dukes has a side that we haven't seen yet . Playing limited time makes it hard to evaluate a player in my opinion . And the coaches didn't didn't help things any . TV had his picks and even tried to bench Kam Langley until he realized the team had no leadership on the floor. Shumpert had no idea how to utilize or develop the talent that He had,we didn't have any leadership on the floor this season. I think Dukes can fill the role if given the chance. |
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Post by aggie82 on Apr 5, 2023 17:56:51 GMT -5
The point that often get's overlooked in the recruiting conversation is this.. "Is the Kid a Winner"? Did he win in high school, Did he win in AAU, did he win at his last institution? I think this comes into play especially at the PG position. Are we recruiting stars or are we recruiting winners? Additionally, is the kid a good basketball player? We live in a era now where people praise athleticism over skill. We need some kids that can play basketball. Guys that are skilled. We need guys who can make shots, not volume shooters. We need a PG to run the offense, to to be the leading scorer. We need bigs who can rebound, defend and make shots around the basket. Is this asking for too much, or am i being delusional in my old age? I agree with all but the point guard statement. We need a point guard that can be a director and facilitator first and a scorer second . Scorers that play the guard position are not hard to find . But the true point guards are few . That was a typo...I meant to say not be the leading scorer as a point guard. |
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Post by saabman on Apr 5, 2023 18:17:10 GMT -5
I agree with all but the point guard statement. We need a point guard that can be a director and facilitator first and a scorer second . Scorers that play the guard position are not hard to find . But the true point guards are few . That was a typo...I meant to say not be the leading scorer as a point guard. He can do both when needed too . |
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