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Post by saabman on Mar 1, 2023 18:15:03 GMT -5
i wonder if "the players" will be consulted regarding their potential acceptance/preference of the "final candidates" that our admins have dwindled our list down to? my guess? probably not. but it might be a good way of measuring which players (if any) intend to transfer based on the coach that we hire... I wouldn't even involve the players period. Also the ones that are entertaining transferring so be it and good luck . I would rather start from scratch as a HC with the Players that want to be here and the ones that I have recruited and bought with me that buy into the philosophy that I'm trying to promote then have to deal with and but heads with players stuck in the philosophy of their Old Coaches . Like it or not gentlemen this is going to be a Clean Slate project just like Football. The players that buy into the philosophy of the New HC are the players that will play or see significant playing time in the new HC's system period. In saying that in my opinion I don't see anyone leaving by the portal . And the one's that do Good By And Good Luck. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 2, 2023 13:46:42 GMT -5
i wonder if "the players" will be consulted regarding their potential acceptance/preference of the "final candidates" that our admins have dwindled our list down to? my guess? probably not. but it might be a good way of measuring which players (if any) intend to transfer based on the coach that we hire... I wouldn't even involve the players period. Also the ones that are entertaining transferring so be it and good luck . I would rather start from scratch as a HC with the Players that want to be here and the ones that I have recruited and bought with me that buy into the philosophy that I'm trying to promote then have to deal with and but heads with players stuck in the philosophy of their Old Coaches . Like it or not gentlemen this is going to be a Clean Slate project just like Football. The players that buy into the philosophy of the New HC are the players that will play or see significant playing time in the new HC's system period. In saying that in my opinion I don't see anyone leaving by the portal . And the one's that do Good By And Good Luck. i dunno, i have a different perspective. no, if i were the ad i would not decide who to hire solely based on the players' input. however, i would "consider" their input. in other words, let's say i'm equally torn between two candidates but the players favored one candidate over the other. in a case like that, the players' preference "could" (not "will") influence my final decision. to me, i think its always good to "consider" the existing student athletes when hiring a new head coach. but again, in no way would the players' input solely determine who i would hire. but i could envision a scenario where their inputs may "tip the scale" in favor of one candidate over the other... |
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Post by A&T-roy on Mar 2, 2023 14:00:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't even involve the players period. Also the ones that are entertaining transferring so be it and good luck . I would rather start from scratch as a HC with the Players that want to be here and the ones that I have recruited and bought with me that buy into the philosophy that I'm trying to promote then have to deal with and but heads with players stuck in the philosophy of their Old Coaches . Like it or not gentlemen this is going to be a Clean Slate project just like Football. The players that buy into the philosophy of the New HC are the players that will play or see significant playing time in the new HC's system period. In saying that in my opinion I don't see anyone leaving by the portal . And the one's that do Good By And Good Luck. i dunno, i have a different perspective. no, if i were the ad i would not decide who to hire solely based on the players' input. however, i would "consider" their input. in other words, let's say i'm equally torn between two candidates but the players favored one candidate over the other. in a case like that, the players' preference "could" (not "will") influence my final decision. to me, i think its always good to "consider" the existing student athletes when hiring a new head coach. but again, in no way would the players' input solely determine who i would hire. but i could envision a scenario where their inputs may "tip the scale" in favor of one candidate over the other... I would meet with the players and get input from them. How much I use it would be a different story...and I would tell them that. Just another source of decision-making input. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 2, 2023 14:10:17 GMT -5
i dunno, i have a different perspective. no, if i were the ad i would not decide who to hire solely based on the players' input. however, i would "consider" their input. in other words, let's say i'm equally torn between two candidates but the players favored one candidate over the other. in a case like that, the players' preference "could" (not "will") influence my final decision. to me, i think its always good to "consider" the existing student athletes when hiring a new head coach. but again, in no way would the players' input solely determine who i would hire. but i could envision a scenario where their inputs may "tip the scale" in favor of one candidate over the other... I would meet with the players and get input from them. How much I use it would be a different story...and I would tell them that. Just another source of decision-making input. yep, that's how i would do it, certainly making sure that i let them know that their input would not be the determining factor but would be "considered"... |
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 2, 2023 14:49:29 GMT -5
I would go with the professional model which is players are not involved in business decisions concerning coaches, recruiting, draft, etc, unless you are a superstar. Keep it simple.
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Mar 2, 2023 16:28:03 GMT -5
Did they consult the football players
before they hired Brown?.
In the case of the basketball team, I don't see no need in consulting the players before hiring a coach.
Either they are satisfied with the new hire or not. Hit the highway if not satisfied.
Do you think they asked the players about Coach Shumpert before he was assigned as the Interim Coach?
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Post by outsidethinker on Mar 2, 2023 16:41:10 GMT -5
Did they consult the football players before they hired Brown?. In the case of the basketball team, I don't see no need in consulting the players before hiring a coach. Either they are satisfied with the new hire or not. Hit the highway if not satisfied. Do you think they asked the players about Coach Shumpert before he was assigned as the Interim Coach? Fully agree. Players come and go yearly so why base a long term hire on a temporary athlete decision lol. |
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Post by saabman on Mar 2, 2023 17:17:26 GMT -5
I would meet with the players and get input from them. How much I use it would be a different story...and I would tell them that. Just another source of decision-making input. yep, that's how i would do it, certainly making sure that i let them know that their input would not be the determining factor but would be "considered"... That should have been done before the search..i.e getting players perspective on what characteristics they are looking for in a future coach..i.e communication and discipline , basketball knowledge and character. Then add those qualities and qualifications within the search . Asking a player/players about in coming potential coaches it's just trivial. Because for one they're only relating to stuff they have heard that may not be factual at all . Now if we are hiring in-house I could agree with your approach, because the players have a first hand experience and knowledge of the Coach . This is not in-house (hopefully it's not) so outside of the statement I made above there should be no input from the players at all on this new hiring . |
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Post by A&T-roy on Mar 3, 2023 0:26:22 GMT -5
Did they consult the football players before they hired Brown?. In the case of the basketball team, I don't see no need in consulting the players before hiring a coach. Either they are satisfied with the new hire or not. Hit the highway if not satisfied. Do you think they asked the players about Coach Shumpert before he was assigned as the Interim Coach? Fully agree. Players come and go yearly so why base a long term hire on a temporary athlete decision lol. I believe Hilton did meet with the football team and tell & asked them things. I don't know exactly what all he told and asked. I also understand (actually know) there were other "constituents" consulted/involved. |
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Mar 3, 2023 6:28:42 GMT -5
Why would Hilton confer with the football team about hiring a new football coach?
It appears they made the decision to fire him shortly after we lost to former Junior College Gardner Webb.
It was not surprising he was fired but I don't think they would tell the team they were fixing to fire Washington before the public.
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 3, 2023 9:23:33 GMT -5
Consoling or counseling students/athletes during a difficult or traumatic period by a coach or school administrator is common, but it is not the same as involving athletes in the decision to hire or fire a coach. These athletes are use to multiple coach changes (JV to Varsity, aau/select career, school transfers, etc.) that have occurred throughout their basketball career without being consulted. The exception would be if there is an investigation of the coach regarding some kind of allegation and the administration seeks player's input before deciding whether to fire a coach.
Again, keep it simple and don't muddy the water in an already difficult situation in hiring the right coach for the "A&T" job.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 3, 2023 11:48:01 GMT -5
Did they consult the football players before they hired Brown?. In the case of the basketball team, I don't see no need in consulting the players before hiring a coach. Either they are satisfied with the new hire or not. Hit the highway if not satisfied. Do you think they asked the players about Coach Shumpert before he was assigned as the Interim Coach? Fully agree. Players come and go yearly so why base a long term hire on a temporary athlete decision lol. ya'll are missing the point. nobody said the hiring of a new coach should be based on the decision of the athletes... Sent from my SM-G950U using proboards |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 3, 2023 11:51:13 GMT -5
Maybe it's me, but I'm infinitely more concerned about what the AD (and chancellor) wants.
Hunter, Eaves, Alexander, Joiner, Jones, Shumpert.....that's what we've been dealing with for 20 years.....to say it kindly, I have NOT been pleased with these hires.
I need to know what the powers-that-be are looking at/evaluating. Based upon PAST decisions, I am extremely worried about FUTURE decisions, when it comes to hiring our next men's BB coach.
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Post by VA's Finest on Mar 3, 2023 11:55:24 GMT -5
Well if you subscribe to the "due theory" this next hire has a a good chance to be a "hit"
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 3, 2023 11:56:46 GMT -5
yep, that's how i would do it, certainly making sure that i let them know that their input would not be the determining factor but would be "considered"... That should have been done before the search..i.e getting players perspective on what characteristics they are looking for in a future coach..i.e communication and discipline , basketball knowledge and character. Then add those qualities and qualifications within the search . Asking a player/players about in coming potential coaches it's just trivial. Because for one they're only relating to stuff they have heard that may not be factual at all . Now if we are hiring in-house I could agree with your approach, because the players have a first hand experience and knowledge of the Coach . This is not in-house (hopefully it's not) so outside of the statement I made above there should be no input from the players at all on this new hiring . missing the point. you're placing too much emphasis on what the players think, that's not the approach i previously stated. i made it clear that the players input should not be the deciding factor. but an ad who "thoroughly" does his job covers all of the bases. the more you know, the better the decision you'll make. this ain't about what the players want, instead this is about being "informed" and covering all the bases. Sent from my SM-G950U using proboards |
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