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Post by planoaggie on Mar 27, 2023 19:54:04 GMT -5
True Aggie who is your first choice. 1. Frank Haith - Memphis 2. Steve Smith - Florida 3. Mckie - WF That ranking probably corresponds well with the amount of experience and salary demand.
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Post by B on Mar 28, 2023 7:07:19 GMT -5
My choice would be:
1. Steve Smith - FSU 2. Nate James - Austin Peay/Duke 3. BJ Mckie - WF
Hopefully the new coach will be strong at both x's and O's and recruiting.🙏🏾
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 29, 2023 6:34:40 GMT -5
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 29, 2023 9:02:25 GMT -5
My choice would be: 1. Steve Smith - FSU 2. Nate James - Austin Peay/Duke 3. BJ Mckie - WF Hopefully the new coach will be strong at both x's and O's and recruiting.🙏🏾 I don't get the Nate James angle.......yeah, he was an asst coach at Duke, but when he got the chance to be a head coach at Austin Peay, he did not excel. They finished DEAD LAST in the Atlantic Sun. If a coach finishes DEAD LAST in a conference, I can't give him a HC job in a conference ranked higher than the one he just left and expect some type of new results. His failures as a head coach trump him being an asst coach at Duke (for the moment).
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Post by jbrob on Mar 29, 2023 10:34:02 GMT -5
We have a virtual alumni meeting with Chancellor Martin on April 6th. The announcement will probably be after that.
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Post by B on Mar 30, 2023 5:10:36 GMT -5
My choice would be: 1. Steve Smith - FSU 2. Nate James - Austin Peay/Duke 3. BJ Mckie - WF Hopefully the new coach will be strong at both x's and O's and recruiting.🙏🏾 I don't get the Nate James angle.......yeah, he was an asst coach at Duke, but when he got the chance to be a head coach at Austin Peay, he did not excel. They finished DEAD LAST in the Atlantic Sun. If a coach finishes DEAD LAST in a conference, I can't give him a HC job in a conference ranked higher than the one he just left and expect some type of new results. His failures as a head coach trump him being an asst coach at Duke (for the moment). I understand your concern. However, he was an associate head coach at Duke. He worked his way up through the ranks at Duke. He should have strong NC ties that would help in recruiting. His rings might work better on the local kids? Also, I feel like he could be more successful here. I think A&T might be a better fit. You could be bad at one stop and have success at another. It would also depend on his staff.
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Post by Maxell on Mar 30, 2023 10:33:29 GMT -5
I don't get the Nate James angle.......yeah, he was an asst coach at Duke, but when he got the chance to be a head coach at Austin Peay, he did not excel. They finished DEAD LAST in the Atlantic Sun. If a coach finishes DEAD LAST in a conference, I can't give him a HC job in a conference ranked higher than the one he just left and expect some type of new results. His failures as a head coach trump him being an asst coach at Duke (for the moment). I understand your concern. However, he was an associate head coach at Duke. He worked his way up through the ranks at Duke. He should have strong NC ties that would help in recruiting. His rings might work better on the local kids? Also, I feel like he could be more successful here. I think A&T might be a better fit. You could be bad at one stop and have success at another. It would also depend on his staff. I'm so tired of A&T being a proving ground for coaches. It's time we hire coaches that have already been successful in their previous stops.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Mar 30, 2023 13:16:13 GMT -5
At this point, most Aggies would like Bozo the Clown! We just tired of waiting!
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 30, 2023 14:43:59 GMT -5
I understand your concern. However, he was an associate head coach at Duke. He worked his way up through the ranks at Duke. He should have strong NC ties that would help in recruiting. His rings might work better on the local kids? Also, I feel like he could be more successful here. I think A&T might be a better fit. You could be bad at one stop and have success at another. It would also depend on his staff. I'm so tired of A&T being a proving ground for coaches. It's time we hire coaches that have already been successful in their previous stops. Whomever we hire will have to prove that they can win at A&T. Just because a person was a success coach at a lower division or lower rated D1 conference does not prove he will be a successful coach in the CAA. Your criteria for the new HC position rules outs every assistant/associate HCs reducing the pool of candidates, since they can't ride on the success of what their HC has done. Am I stating your position correctly? If so, I don't believe any of the coaches recently mentioned would qualify under your criteria since they all are associate/assistant coaches.
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Post by Maxell on Mar 30, 2023 15:17:40 GMT -5
I'm so tired of A&T being a proving ground for coaches. It's time we hire coaches that have already been successful in their previous stops. Whomever we hire will have to prove that they can win at A&T. Just because a person was a success coach at a lower division or lower rated D1 conference does not prove he will be a successful coach in the CAA. Your criteria for the new HC position rules outs every assistant/associate HCs reducing the pool of candidates, since they can't ride on the success of what their HC has done. Am I stating your position correctly? If so, I don't believe any of the coaches recently mentioned would qualify under your criteria since they all are associate/assistant coaches. I didn't say they had to be a head coach, I said they had to be successful. I am certainly not a fan of career assistants but if they are assistants they have to come from a championship program not an also ran. And even then it's a crap shoot. I don't want a guy that doesn't know how to win. James was a 13-year assistant at Duke then had two losing seasons at Austin Peay and was fired. So James was a head coach, a losing one. Don't use A&T to rehabilitate your reputation.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2023 16:42:40 GMT -5
to me, its very "puzzling" that we haven't announced a new head coach yet. especially considering that there's a "plethora" of amazing basketball coaches out there across the country who would luv to have our job. i don't have a problem with a career assistant as long as he's demonstrated his head coaching ability at the high school and/or aau levels.
to me, its not very difficult to find a very good coach "if" you know what you're looking for. if it were up to me, i'd draw up a list of "attributes" that i'd look for when hiring a new head coach and at the very top of that list would be "the ability to recruit". if you can't recruit, you won't succeed as a college basketball head coach. however, being a "great recruiter" alone is "insufficient" to be a head coach. i mean, kevin nickelberry is a perfect example of that. so the ability to recruit is where i'd "start", but not where i'd end.
then, "right off the top of my head" in no particular order, i'd also look for "knowledge of the game" and the "ability to teach fundamentals" in a head coach candidate. next i'd look for their ability to interact with today's young men and the ability to motivate and earn their respect. i'd also want a coach who has proven the ability as a head coach to make astute "in game decisions" and "in game adjustments" when necessary.
of course, the list goes on with other attributes such as maintaining our apr/student athlete academics. i'd also like a "media savy" coach as well one who speaks "articulately" in public settings. would luv to have a coach who has "charisma" but that's not mandatory, just a major plus.
notice, none of my criteria requires previous experience as a head coach at the college level. though "preferred", absolutely not a deal breaker if not. as long as a candidate has head coaching experience at the high school and/or aau levels or higher, i'm good cuz basketball coaching is not "rocket science". the experience of being a head coach of high level aau and/or high school basketball is sufficient to coach at the d1 level, i know of "several" d1 head coaches who have proven that.
so i'd take my list of attributes and begin to search. if you don't wanna get out and do the leg work yourself, you can hire a good national "headhunter" to start the process of identifying candidates who meet or exceed your criteria. me personally, i've been to "numerous" aau national championship tournaments where you can see close to 100 of the best aau teams in the nation at one location (city) simultaneously. that's where you can find some very highly qualified head coaches who aren't well known and it also gives you a platform to measure a coach's attributes during the tournament...
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Post by saabman on Mar 30, 2023 16:44:29 GMT -5
I understand your concern. However, he was an associate head coach at Duke. He worked his way up through the ranks at Duke. He should have strong NC ties that would help in recruiting. His rings might work better on the local kids? Also, I feel like he could be more successful here. I think A&T might be a better fit. You could be bad at one stop and have success at another. It would also depend on his staff. I'm so tired of A&T being a proving ground for coaches. It's time we hire coaches that have already been successful in their previous stops. And over 69 years of age . Because if they are younger and successful..i.e Conference Championships and Deep runs in the dance our chances of keeping them is minimal at best from the P5 programs. At least with a geriatric aged coach his chances of staying are much better 😆. Mid Majors will always fall victim to the larger better funded programs that just the way it works.
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Post by saabman on Mar 30, 2023 16:57:44 GMT -5
to me, its very "puzzling" that we haven't announced a new head coach yet. especially considering that there's a "plethora" of amazing basketball coaches out there across the country who would luv to have our job. i don't have a problem with a career assistant as long as he's demonstrated his head coaching ability at the high school and/or aau levels. to me, its not very difficult to find a very good coach "if" you know what you're looking for. if it were up to me, i'd draw up a list of "attributes" that i'd look for when hiring a new head coach and at the very top of that list would be "the ability to recruit". if you can't recruit, you won't succeed as a college basketball head coach. however, being a "great recruiter" alone is "insufficient" to be a head coach. i mean, kevin nickelberry is a perfect example of that. so the ability to recruit is where i'd "start", but now where i'd end. then, "right off the top of my head" in no particular order, i'd also look for "knowledge of the game" and the "ability to teach fundamentals" in a head coach candidate. next i'd look for their ability to interact with today's young men and the ability to motivate and earn their respect. i'd also want a coach who has proven the ability as a head coach to make astute "in game decisions" and "in game adjustments" when necessary. of course, the list goes on with other attributes such as maintaining our apr/student athlete academics. i'd also like a "media savy" coach as well one who speaks "articulately" in public settings. would luv to have a coach who has "charisma" but that's not mandatory, just a major plus. notice, none of my criteria requires previous experience as a head coach at the college level. though "preferred", absolutely not a deal breaker if not. as long as a candidate has head coaching experience at the high school and/or aau levels or higher, i'm good cuz basketball coaching is not "rocket science". the experience of being a head coach of high level aau and/or high school basketball is sufficient to coach at the d1 level, i know of "several" d1 head coaches who have proven that. so i'd take my list of attributes and begin to search. if you don't wanna get out and do the leg work yourself, you can hire a good national "headhunter" to start the process of identifying candidates who meet or exceed your criteria. me personally, i've been to "numerous" aau national championship tournaments where you can see close to 100 of the best aau teams in the nation at one location (city) simultaneously. that's where you can find some very highly qualified head coaches who aren't well known and it also gives you a platform to measure a coach's attributes during the tournament... I agree with almost everything but at the top of my list would be knowledge X and O and then recruiting. For me it was not the talent that A&T had problems with, but the development and execution of that Talent on the court..i.e THE talent was there but the Coaching was Not . So for me you can't really have one without the other . Example Shumpert is a very good recruiter but his coaching experience falls short (you have pointed this out yourself many times) .
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 30, 2023 17:02:55 GMT -5
Whomever we hire will have to prove that they can win at A&T. Just because a person was a success coach at a lower division or lower rated D1 conference does not prove he will be a successful coach in the CAA. Your criteria for the new HC position rules outs every assistant/associate HCs reducing the pool of candidates, since they can't ride on the success of what their HC has done. Am I stating your position correctly? If so, I don't believe any of the coaches recently mentioned would qualify under your criteria since they all are associate/assistant coaches. I didn't say they had to be a head coach, I said they had to be successful. I am certainly not a fan of career assistants but if they are assistants they have to come from a championship program not an also ran. And even then it's a crap shoot. I don't want a guy that doesn't know how to win. James was a 13-year assistant at Duke then had two losing seasons at Austin Peay and was fired. So James was a head coach, a losing one. Don't use A&T to rehabilitate your reputation. Thanks for clarifying. My previous post had nothing to do with how you feel about Coach James. My definition of proven coach is just different from you. I feel an assistant/associate college coach has not proven that he can successfully be a head coach, if he has never coached a college team. Colleges are taking a chance on a coach with no HC experience, but depending on the coach's resume and interview the risk may be small. I am good with us hiring an assistant/associate HC if it happens. Based on your follow-up post, the search pool of possible good HC candidates would remain high.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2023 19:48:05 GMT -5
to me, its very "puzzling" that we haven't announced a new head coach yet. especially considering that there's a "plethora" of amazing basketball coaches out there across the country who would luv to have our job. i don't have a problem with a career assistant as long as he's demonstrated his head coaching ability at the high school and/or aau levels. to me, its not very difficult to find a very good coach "if" you know what you're looking for. if it were up to me, i'd draw up a list of "attributes" that i'd look for when hiring a new head coach and at the very top of that list would be "the ability to recruit". if you can't recruit, you won't succeed as a college basketball head coach. however, being a "great recruiter" alone is "insufficient" to be a head coach. i mean, kevin nickelberry is a perfect example of that. so the ability to recruit is where i'd "start", but now where i'd end. then, "right off the top of my head" in no particular order, i'd also look for "knowledge of the game" and the "ability to teach fundamentals" in a head coach candidate. next i'd look for their ability to interact with today's young men and the ability to motivate and earn their respect. i'd also want a coach who has proven the ability as a head coach to make astute "in game decisions" and "in game adjustments" when necessary. of course, the list goes on with other attributes such as maintaining our apr/student athlete academics. i'd also like a "media savy" coach as well one who speaks "articulately" in public settings. would luv to have a coach who has "charisma" but that's not mandatory, just a major plus. notice, none of my criteria requires previous experience as a head coach at the college level. though "preferred", absolutely not a deal breaker if not. as long as a candidate has head coaching experience at the high school and/or aau levels or higher, i'm good cuz basketball coaching is not "rocket science". the experience of being a head coach of high level aau and/or high school basketball is sufficient to coach at the d1 level, i know of "several" d1 head coaches who have proven that. so i'd take my list of attributes and begin to search. if you don't wanna get out and do the leg work yourself, you can hire a good national "headhunter" to start the process of identifying candidates who meet or exceed your criteria. me personally, i've been to "numerous" aau national championship tournaments where you can see close to 100 of the best aau teams in the nation at one location (city) simultaneously. that's where you can find some very highly qualified head coaches who aren't well known and it also gives you a platform to measure a coach's attributes during the tournament... I agree with almost everything but at the top of my list would be knowledge X and O and then recruiting. For me it was not the talent that A&T had problems with, but the development and execution of that Talent on the court..i.e THE talent was there but the Coaching was Not . So for me you can't really have one without the other . Example Shumpert is a very good recruiter but his coaching experience falls short (you have pointed this out yourself many times) . again i reiterate, being a "great recruiter" alone is "insufficient" to be a head coach. so the ability to recruit is where i'd "start", but not where i'd end...
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