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Post by zai on Oct 20, 2021 12:59:41 GMT -5
Idk how true this is but I heard after they tax the celebration bowl money the winner still has to split it with the conference. What’s left over would not be enough money for renovations we need at all.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 20, 2021 13:49:40 GMT -5
I believe somebody posted that the conference payouts from the BS were significantly larger than those from the MEAC. That may have changed now that the MEAC has less schools to split monies with, but I dunno.
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Post by Maxell on Oct 20, 2021 14:27:22 GMT -5
The problem is that we are operating without an agreed upon standard of excellence. If you get the ADs from the top ten HBCU football programs and ask them what success in the football programs look like and I bet you get 6 different answers. The same would be true if you asked Clemson and Wake Forest.
Imagine a group of fans talking smack that is dripping with undertones that go far past the football field. In just this thread you have history, race, class, privilege, wealth, business, and a tiny bit of football.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 20, 2021 14:34:13 GMT -5
that's ridiculous. how do you know that we have nothing much to show for the money made at the cb? have you noticed all of the "recent" upgrades to corbett center? new video jumbotron, new court, new "theater rooms" for team video sessions? you think that stuff is cheap? look, nobody can say that we have nothing much to show for the money made at the cb cuz we don't know what it was spent on. if it was used to finance scholarships, how would you know? that's something that's not "visible" to outsiders but it costs a lot of money... some of that stuff was before the CB but you’re missing the point. The school wants to maximize the money it pockets, for the most part the athletics budget and the money spent yearly is public information and it shows that we spend just as much as we make. No positive or negative gains as far as revenue. Things would be a lot more fancier if we could turn that break even price into a positive 6 or 7 figure gain. I don’t understand how you see a problem with that. Better yet, would you want to be in the meac forever oleschool? dude, i'd luv to see that "itemized list" of how the cb money was spent that you say is "public information". since you say its "public information", you should have no problem pulling that information up and posting it. please do so because i know of no such "public information". further, those upgrades to corbett "WERE NOT" before the cb. our first cb was 6 years ago (2015), the corbett upgrades were made within the last 2 or 3 years, certainly not no 7 years ago. and the new "theater rooms" are "BRAND SPANKING NEW"! so how you gone say that's before the cb? and to answer your question, i wouldn't have a problem whatsoever if a&t remained in the meac or any other hbcu conference a&t may choose "FOREVER"...
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 20, 2021 14:37:44 GMT -5
I think the problem is that people can’t separate emotion from facts. The big south is a PWI conference that is more competitive in every single sport that is sponsored, so yes joining the big south is striving for better. It’s a fact. Yes, winning the big south and excelling in the playoffs does legitimize A&T athletics. Is being the best out of 19 low resource schools something to really celebrate and beat our chest about? The big south just happens to be a PWI conf. If the MEAC was the higher rated conf in all sports we would not be singing the tune if we are striving to grow athletically. It’s not about race it’s about facts…big south just happens to have a bunch of PWIs. Race is holding a lot of you back from a mental and emotional standpoint. Anytime race is mentioned on here, you come running with your CAPE! Where in my post did I say that it wasn't a better conference or wasn't better competition? I've said I'm cool with the move because it give the athletes more time on campus. The point of my post was that for some on here, even without knowing any of what you posted or if all things were equal between the BS and the MEAC, the simple fact that we were moving to a PWI conference and were going to be associate with whiteness, they were going to see it as being legitimized. If you don't agree that some of the post on here come off that way, cool. That's your right, but you don't know what my opinions are on race, so I don't know how you're going to tell me what's holding me back. Yes, I come running with my CAPE and I will continue to run with my cape. No one said being a white conference legitimizes us, people have stated going to a more competitive conference does. Only those that are polarized by race would make such an assumption.
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Post by zai on Oct 20, 2021 14:43:23 GMT -5
some of that stuff was before the CB but you’re missing the point. The school wants to maximize the money it pockets, for the most part the athletics budget and the money spent yearly is public information and it shows that we spend just as much as we make. No positive or negative gains as far as revenue. Things would be a lot more fancier if we could turn that break even price into a positive 6 or 7 figure gain. I don’t understand how you see a problem with that. Better yet, would you want to be in the meac forever oleschool? dude, i'd luv to see that "itemized list" of how the cb money was spent that you say is "public information". since you say its "public information", you should have no problem pulling that information up and posting it. please do so because i know of no such "public information". further, those upgrades to corbett "WERE NOT" before the cb. our first cb was 6 years ago (2015), the corbett upgrades were made within the last 2 or 3 years, certainly not no 7 years ago. and the new "theater rooms" are "BRAND SPANKING NEW"! so how you gone say that's before the cb? and to answer your question, i wouldn't have a problem whatsoever if a&t remained in the meac or any other hbcu conferenceit a&t may choose "FOREVER"... sir I said some of those upgrade where before the celebration bowl i.e. the scoreboard we got 20 years ago my guy, I also said the athletics budget is public information which it is. $500,000 or however much money we take home from the celebration bowl is not sheeet for the major upgrades we need and for the ideal place we want the athletics department as a whole. Imagine splitting that for all of athletics. If you consider mural paintings of players, (although they are great ideas) to be satisfying renovations when you can clearly see the bad state of a lot of the facilities then so be it. My conversation with you is going in unnecessary circles and you’re missing the point of everything. You answered my question which makes sense with why your mentality is the way it is.
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Post by zai on Oct 20, 2021 14:44:38 GMT -5
The problem is that we are operating without an agreed upon standard of excellence. If you get the ADs from the top ten HBCU football programs and ask them what success in the football programs look like and I bet you get 6 different answers. The same would be true if you asked Clemson and Wake Forest. Imagine a group of fans talking smack that is dripping with undertones that go far past the football field. In just this thread you have history, race, class, privilege, wealth, business, and a tiny bit of football. it started of so well then went completely left 🤣
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 20, 2021 15:22:08 GMT -5
dude, i'd luv to see that "itemized list" of how the cb money was spent that you say is "public information". since you say its "public information", you should have no problem pulling that information up and posting it. please do so because i know of no such "public information". further, those upgrades to corbett "WERE NOT" before the cb. our first cb was 6 years ago (2015), the corbett upgrades were made within the last 2 or 3 years, certainly not no 7 years ago. and the new "theater rooms" are "BRAND SPANKING NEW"! so how you gone say that's before the cb? and to answer your question, i wouldn't have a problem whatsoever if a&t remained in the meac or any other hbcu conferenceit a&t may choose "FOREVER"... sir I said some of those upgrade where before the celebration bowl i.e. the scoreboard we got 20 years ago my guy, I also said the athletics budget is public information which it is. $500,000 or however much money we take home from the celebration bowl is not sheeet for the major upgrades we need and for the ideal place we want the athletics department as a whole. Imagine splitting that for all of athletics. If you consider mural paintings of players, (although they are great ideas) to be satisfying renovations when you can clearly see the bad state of a lot of the facilities then so be it. My conversation with you is going in unnecessary circles and you’re missing the point of everything. You answered my question which makes sense with why your mentality is the way it is. i'm not gonna keep going back and forth, but you keep posting false information. the new video jumbotron in corbett wasn't purchased no doggone 20 years ago! it was purchased 2 or 3 years ago, da hail you talkin' bout? man, please stopping posting "false information"...
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Post by aggie252 on Oct 20, 2021 15:31:52 GMT -5
Anytime race is mentioned on here, you come running with your CAPE! Where in my post did I say that it wasn't a better conference or wasn't better competition? I've said I'm cool with the move because it give the athletes more time on campus. The point of my post was that for some on here, even without knowing any of what you posted or if all things were equal between the BS and the MEAC, the simple fact that we were moving to a PWI conference and were going to be associate with whiteness, they were going to see it as being legitimized. If you don't agree that some of the post on here come off that way, cool. That's your right, but you don't know what my opinions are on race, so I don't know how you're going to tell me what's holding me back. Yes, I come running with my CAPE and I will continue to run with my cape. No one said being a white conference legitimizes us, people have stated going to a more competitive conference does. Only those that are polarized by race would make such an assumption. There were absolutely post soon after the announcement was made saying this was an upward move to a better conference, no details on the financials or anything, only thing they could have possibly known about the BS at that time was that it was a PWI conference. Which proves my point. Hell the only BS teams we had played recently was Charleston who we beat and Gardner Webb who we blew out, with that reference point, why would someone instantly assume its a better conference other than it being a PWI? Those facts you provide in your earlier post about the BS being better(which I didn't deny), did you know them the minute the move was announced? I would assume you had to take time and go look it up. If I'm wrong about that, then touche. Again, you don't know what my opinions on race are, but you're entitled to your opinion that I'm "polarized" by it, and I'm entitled to think it's a dumbass opinion. But we can disagree to agree and move on.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 20, 2021 15:51:53 GMT -5
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Post by zai on Oct 20, 2021 17:01:12 GMT -5
that’s 2 new track surfaces right there (not saying they spent it on the track). We got 15 athletic programs and pending 1 more that 3 million gets are up faster then you can get it.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 20, 2021 17:50:58 GMT -5
Yes, I come running with my CAPE and I will continue to run with my cape. No one said being a white conference legitimizes us, people have stated going to a more competitive conference does. Only those that are polarized by race would make such an assumption. There were absolutely post soon after the announcement was made saying this was an upward move to a better conference, no details on the financials or anything, only thing they could have possibly known about the BS at that time was that it was a PWI conference. Which proves my point. Hell the only BS teams we had played recently was Charleston who we beat and Gardner Webb who we blew out, with that reference point, why would someone instantly assume its a better conference other than it being a PWI? Those facts you provide in your earlier post about the BS being better(which I didn't deny), did you know them the minute the move was announced? I would assume you had to take time and go look it up. If I'm wrong about that, then touche. Again, you don't know what my opinions on race are, but you're entitled to your opinion that I'm "polarized" by it, and I'm entitled to think it's a dumbass opinion. But we can disagree to agree and move on. Those that actually follow college sports know about the different conferences before the announcement. So you are assuming people said it was better because it’s a white conf…the key word is assuming. Just say you were wrong and you assumed that people are ignorant about other conferences because you were. You are entitled to that just like I’m entitled to say you are polarized by race
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Post by aggie252 on Oct 20, 2021 18:36:22 GMT -5
There were absolutely post soon after the announcement was made saying this was an upward move to a better conference, no details on the financials or anything, only thing they could have possibly known about the BS at that time was that it was a PWI conference. Which proves my point. Hell the only BS teams we had played recently was Charleston who we beat and Gardner Webb who we blew out, with that reference point, why would someone instantly assume its a better conference other than it being a PWI? Those facts you provide in your earlier post about the BS being better(which I didn't deny), did you know them the minute the move was announced? I would assume you had to take time and go look it up. If I'm wrong about that, then touche. Again, you don't know what my opinions on race are, but you're entitled to your opinion that I'm "polarized" by it, and I'm entitled to think it's a dumbass opinion. But we can disagree to agree and move on. Those that actually follow college sports now about the different conferences before the announcement. So you are assuming people said it was better because it’s a white conf…the key word is assuming. Just say you were wrong and you assumed that people are ignorant about other conferences because you were. You are entitled to that just like I’m entitled to say you are polarized by race You win. There were big south experts on here that already knew Robert Morris was joining the conference, and Kennesaw & UNA were were going to be competing for one year then moving on, knew all about the competition level in the other sports, so as soon as it was announced, the knew it was better competition. They had all this knowledge, but didn't mention it on a 30+ page post to back up their claim. If that's what you're telling me....then yep I was wrong. I call it an opinion. If you want to call it an assumption, then go ahead. In my original post I said it SEEMS that way to me, never said it was a fact. I even said it may not be INTENTIONAL. But like I said, you had to come running with your cape and apparently missed that part. The person who got on here and called our players a bunch of you know whats and project kids, saying someone else is polarized by race is funny to me.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 20, 2021 18:50:42 GMT -5
Those that actually follow college sports now about the different conferences before the announcement. So you are assuming people said it was better because it’s a white conf…the key word is assuming. Just say you were wrong and you assumed that people are ignorant about other conferences because you were. You are entitled to that just like I’m entitled to say you are polarized by race You win. There were big south experts on here that already knew Robert Morris was joining the conference, and Kennesaw & UNA were were going to be competing for one year then moving on, knew all about the competition level in the other sports, so as soon as it was announced, the knew it was better competition. They had all this knowledge, but didn't mention it on a 30+ page post to back up their claim. If that's what you're telling me....then yep I was wrong. I call it an opinion. If you want to call it an assumption, then go ahead. In my original post I said it SEEMS that way to me, never said it was a fact. I even said it may not be INTENTIONAL. But like I said, you had to come running with your cape and apparently missed that part. The person who got on here and called our players a bunch of you know whats and project kids, saying someone else is polarized by race is funny to me. Sometimes the truth hurts🤷🏾♂️, people don’t like the truth
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 20, 2021 20:59:15 GMT -5
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