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Post by zai on Oct 18, 2021 20:41:05 GMT -5
once again the football team got notice for beating ranked fcs schools and fbs schools. The track team got notice for breaking world records and smoking too fbs schools. The celebration bowl was good but that’s about it. We now have the ability to compete for fcs national championships, something that holds more weight then the celebration bowl if we being honest. Once again the celebration bowl was amazing but It shouldn’t be a limit for us and we shouldn’t be complacent about it. Comparing civil rights leaders who died and risked their life for all black Americans and other minorities in the world is not the same as a damn athletic conference that’s doing nothing to put the participating schools in better positions. What has the meac done that’s worth comparing them to civil rights leaders? What has the meac done to make you so loyal to them? I get it though I guess, you grew up with the meac and you have a old soul so you fear change. “Celebration bowl was good but that’s about it”? You think beating Kent St and Charlotte got us more notoriety nationally than winning celebration bowls, which if I remember correctly were always the only bowl game airing on ESPN at that time slot? Of course if we start winning National championships like app state did in the early 00s it will be way more exposure, but some seem to think just simply being in the playoffs is going to be some major exposure boost. I just don’t see it. I couldn’t name 2 teams that were in the last playoffs. we definitely got some clout off the celebration bowl but the big hits where beating fbs schools and ranked fcs schools which got the world talking and the blogs blogging
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 20:54:14 GMT -5
once again the football team got notice for beating ranked fcs schools and fbs schools. The track team got notice for breaking world records and smoking too fbs schools. The celebration bowl was good but that’s about it. We now have the ability to compete for fcs national championships, something that holds more weight then the celebration bowl if we being honest. Once again the celebration bowl was amazing but It shouldn’t be a limit for us and we shouldn’t be complacent about it. Comparing civil rights leaders who died and risked their life for all black Americans and other minorities in the world is not the same as a damn athletic conference that’s doing nothing to put the participating schools in better positions. What has the meac done that’s worth comparing them to civil rights leaders? What has the meac done to make you so loyal to them? I get it though I guess, you grew up with the meac and you have a old soul so you fear change. “Celebration bowl was good but that’s about it”? You think beating Kent St and Charlotte got us more notoriety nationally than winning celebration bowls, which if I remember correctly were always the only bowl game airing on ESPN at that time slot? Of course if we start winning National championships like app state did in the early 00s it will be way more exposure, but some seem to think just simply being in the playoffs is going to be some major exposure boost. I just don’t see it. I couldn’t name 2 teams that were in the last playoffs. The thing that's not being brought up here, which is one of the main reasons (not an indirect benefit) of us leaving was our expenses and time away from class. Even with the Celebration Bowl income as a participant (which isn't guaranteed), the money only somewhat supplemented our rising travel costs and resulted in increased funding from auxiliary services. The school wants to reduce our reliance on Auxiliary services supporting Athletics. One way to do that? Put us in a league where multiple sports will have 1-day bus trips both semesters. Even with having to go to Pittsburgh and New Jersey next year in Football, all of our other team's conference championships will be in North Carolina. No more hotel stays in the DMV and increased recruiting budgets due to the savings. It's about the money and our student-athlete experience. Not the FCS playoffs. If anyone says anything else, they're lying.
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Post by aggie252 on Oct 18, 2021 21:00:23 GMT -5
“Celebration bowl was good but that’s about it”? You think beating Kent St and Charlotte got us more notoriety nationally than winning celebration bowls, which if I remember correctly were always the only bowl game airing on ESPN at that time slot? Of course if we start winning National championships like app state did in the early 00s it will be way more exposure, but some seem to think just simply being in the playoffs is going to be some major exposure boost. I just don’t see it. I couldn’t name 2 teams that were in the last playoffs. The thing that's not being brought up here, which is one of the main reasons (not an indirect benefit) of us leaving was our expenses and time away from class. Even with the Celebration Bowl income as a participant (which isn't guaranteed), the money only somewhat supplemented our rising travel costs and resulted in increased funding from auxiliary services. The school wants to reduce our reliance on Auxiliary services supporting Athletics. One way to do that? Put us in a league where multiple sports will have 1-day bus trips both semesters. Even with having to go to Pittsburgh and New Jersey next year in Football, all of our other team's conference championships will be in North Carolina. No more hotel stays in the DMV and increased recruiting budgets due to the savings. It's about the money and our student-athlete experience. Not the FCS playoffs. If anyone says anything else, they're lying. That was my understanding and why I was some what cool with it as long as we could keep some HBCUs on the schedule. Then I started seeing post about it helping with admissions and exposure, and I started getting confused.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 21:10:15 GMT -5
The thing that's not being brought up here, which is one of the main reasons (not an indirect benefit) of us leaving was our expenses and time away from class. Even with the Celebration Bowl income as a participant (which isn't guaranteed), the money only somewhat supplemented our rising travel costs and resulted in increased funding from auxiliary services. The school wants to reduce our reliance on Auxiliary services supporting Athletics. One way to do that? Put us in a league where multiple sports will have 1-day bus trips both semesters. Even with having to go to Pittsburgh and New Jersey next year in Football, all of our other team's conference championships will be in North Carolina. No more hotel stays in the DMV and increased recruiting budgets due to the savings. It's about the money and our student-athlete experience. Not the FCS playoffs. If anyone says anything else, they're lying. That was my understanding and why I was some what cool with it as long as we could keep some HBCUs on the schedule. Then I started seeing post about it helping with admissions and exposure, and I started getting confused. People are looking at other factors that went into the decision. Did conference rankings play into justifying and selling the move to key stakeholders? Most likely. Did endowments and academic standing of schools go into it? Yes. However, those were bullet points for a landing spot, not a decision to actually leave. The reasons to leave the MEAC are clear; overall decreased travel expenses and reduced reliance on Auxiliary Services funding, increased time on campus for Student-Athletes, and the instability of MEAC programs and their administrations. We’ll learn if we were truly able to achieve these goals by year 3 or 4.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 10:32:26 GMT -5
don't get me started on "why" a&t left the meac. i'm sure i've posted a "book" worth of explanations on this message board already, don't feel a need to do it all over again... Your book was full of lies, fairytales, fallacies, and inaccuracies, but sure, post it again if you like. so says one of the "biggest" liars, if not "the biggest" liar, on this message board!! you got some nerve to call "anybody" a liar...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 10:44:13 GMT -5
in all honesty, what does the black community owe hbcu's? if ya wanna be a pwc, then why not "completely" change the demographics of a&t? look, without the meac, a&t athletics wouldn't be where it is today. just "erase" those 4 appearances in the cb and the national notoriety of our track program. i mean, how soon we forget? it was the meac that didn't give a&t "the boot" when it loss 27 football games in a row and had "by far" the worst overall athletic department in the meac at that time. what do we owe dr. king, malcolm "x", barack obama, and jesse jackson? what do we owe the a&t four? what do we owe all of those who came before us? if you don't believe we owe the meac anything, then you probably don't believe we owe anything to the community that we serve... once again the football team got notice for beating ranked fcs schools and fbs schools. The track team got notice for breaking world records and smoking too fbs schools. The celebration bowl was good but that’s about it. We now have the ability to compete for fcs national championships, something that holds more weight then the celebration bowl if we being honest. Once again the celebration bowl was amazing but It shouldn’t be a limit for us and we shouldn’t be complacent about it. Comparing civil rights leaders who died and risked their life for all black Americans and other minorities in the world is not the same as a damn athletic conference that’s doing nothing to put the participating schools in better positions. What has the meac done that’s worth comparing them to civil rights leaders? What has the meac done to make you so loyal to them? I get it though I guess, you grew up with the meac and you have a old soul so you fear change. oh, so now i get it. folks like you don't understand that many of the "freedoms" that you now enjoy resulted from deeds of our past. you take for granted that you don't have to sit in the back of the bus or not have the right to use public bathrooms. likewise, all hbcu's struggled "together" to overcome many of the inequities of the past. why do you think it was necessary to create the ciaa, siac, swac, and the meac? why do you think that was necessary? ever ask yourself why a&t didn't join the bsc or socon 20 or 30 years ago? look, i'm not gonna waste my time trying educate ya'll on your own "history". you don't have an appreciation for your roots and that's exactly why the "far right" is about to take your voting rights away and take away a woman's right to abortion. you don't understand your own history and that's a "travesty"...
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Post by Maxell on Oct 19, 2021 11:01:21 GMT -5
Speaking of history, we've been taught to hate each other. And when any of our community institutions start to promote the idea of loving each other, they disappear, become gentrified, or ostracized. What you see happening is bigger than football. Nothing we do will be enough. There are people hating on Colin Powell today.
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Post by zai on Oct 19, 2021 11:23:34 GMT -5
once again the football team got notice for beating ranked fcs schools and fbs schools. The track team got notice for breaking world records and smoking too fbs schools. The celebration bowl was good but that’s about it. We now have the ability to compete for fcs national championships, something that holds more weight then the celebration bowl if we being honest. Once again the celebration bowl was amazing but It shouldn’t be a limit for us and we shouldn’t be complacent about it. Comparing civil rights leaders who died and risked their life for all black Americans and other minorities in the world is not the same as a damn athletic conference that’s doing nothing to put the participating schools in better positions. What has the meac done that’s worth comparing them to civil rights leaders? What has the meac done to make you so loyal to them? I get it though I guess, you grew up with the meac and you have a old soul so you fear change. oh, so now i get it. folks like you don't understand that many of the "freedoms" that you now enjoy resulted from deeds of our past. you take for granted that you don't have to sit in the back of the bus or not have the right to use public bathrooms. likewise, all hbcu's struggled "together" to overcome many of the inequities of the past. why do you think it was necessary to create the ciaa, siac, swac, and the meac? why do you think that was necessary? ever ask yourself why a&t didn't join the bsc or socon 20 or 30 years ago? look, i'm not gonna waste my time trying educate ya'll on your own "history". you don't have an appreciation for your roots and that's exactly why the "far right" is about to take your voting rights away and take away a woman's right to abortion. you don't understand your own history and that's a "travesty"... well the big south was created well after civil rights and segregation. I understand our ancestors fought for equality and to be viewed as one, they fought for us to be able to play football in any place we see fit. I love the idea of hbcu United conference but the meac just wasn’t it, that’s a sinking ship that nobody on this thread can argue and say it’s not. We definitely wasn’t joining the swac because that would defeat the purpose of us trying to lessen travel, we damn sure not dropping D2. The meac wasn’t the place to be everybody was dipping because it was a terribly ran conference black or not. And the meac isn’t our roots we’ve been around way before it and will be after it you’re making a big deal out of nothing. Only thing we truly benefited from being in that conference for over 30+ years is the celebration bowl.
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Post by zai on Oct 19, 2021 11:33:20 GMT -5
I just want you to free yourself out of these meac shackles the athletics world is so much bigger then that. How would you feel if we moved fbs? More than likely we would be the only hbcu at that level so will you still stand 10 toes behind us staying meac?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 11:41:57 GMT -5
oh, so now i get it. folks like you don't understand that many of the "freedoms" that you now enjoy resulted from deeds of our past. you take for granted that you don't have to sit in the back of the bus or not have the right to use public bathrooms. likewise, all hbcu's struggled "together" to overcome many of the inequities of the past. why do you think it was necessary to create the ciaa, siac, swac, and the meac? why do you think that was necessary? ever ask yourself why a&t didn't join the bsc or socon 20 or 30 years ago? look, i'm not gonna waste my time trying educate ya'll on your own "history". you don't have an appreciation for your roots and that's exactly why the "far right" is about to take your voting rights away and take away a woman's right to abortion. you don't understand your own history and that's a "travesty"... well the big south was created well after civil rights and segregation. I understand our ancestors fought for equality and to be viewed as one, they fought for us to be able to play football in any place we see fit. I love the idea of hbcu United conference but the meac just wasn’t it, that’s a sinking ship that nobody on this thread can argue and say it’s not. We definitely wasn’t joining the swac because that would defeat the purpose of us trying to lessen travel, we damn sure not dropping D2. The meac wasn’t the place to be everybody was dipping because it was a terribly ran conference black or not. And the meac isn’t our roots we’ve been around way before it and will be after it you’re making a big deal out of nothing. Only thing we truly benefited from being in that conference for over 30+ years is the celebration bowl. that's only your "opinion", not a "FACT". you're totally ill-informed if you think "ANY" conference (black or white) determines the success or failure of an individual school's athletics. so none of what you stated is "valid". let me just put it this way. if there had been no "meac", a&t would not be a d1 school because none of the pwc d1 conferences were accepting hbcu's into their conferences back in 1980 when the meac officially became a d1 conference. so how was a&t to prosper at the d1 level over the years? in the swac? couldn't join the bsc when it was first founded and the only reason the bsc is now accepting hbcu's is because they "HAD TO" for the very "survival" of their conference. so you take away the meac and a&t would not have had an opportunity to build an fcs championship caliber athletic department unless it joined the swac which doesn't participate in the fcs playoffs and there wouldn't have been a celebration bowl. man, you folk who have "zero" appreciation for your roots are a "lost generation"...
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Post by Maxell on Oct 19, 2021 11:46:27 GMT -5
OSA, you're repeating yourself. Again. LOL
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 11:47:47 GMT -5
How would you feel if we moved fbs? fbs? we just got "skunked" by a pwc fcs team!! yet, you say fbs?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 11:48:35 GMT -5
OSA, you're repeating yourself. Again. LOL yeah i know, got "baited" into it. i'm done...
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Post by zai on Oct 19, 2021 11:57:33 GMT -5
How would you feel if we moved fbs? fbs? we just got "skunked" by a pwc fcs team!! yet, you say fbs? the end goal is still fbs, obviously that ain’t happening tomorrow but it’s a possibility for the future. Knowing you tho you would be satisfied in the comfort of the fcs and the meac
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Post by zai on Oct 19, 2021 12:03:49 GMT -5
well the big south was created well after civil rights and segregation. I understand our ancestors fought for equality and to be viewed as one, they fought for us to be able to play football in any place we see fit. I love the idea of hbcu United conference but the meac just wasn’t it, that’s a sinking ship that nobody on this thread can argue and say it’s not. We definitely wasn’t joining the swac because that would defeat the purpose of us trying to lessen travel, we damn sure not dropping D2. The meac wasn’t the place to be everybody was dipping because it was a terribly ran conference black or not. And the meac isn’t our roots we’ve been around way before it and will be after it you’re making a big deal out of nothing. Only thing we truly benefited from being in that conference for over 30+ years is the celebration bowl. that's only your "opinion", not a "FACT". you're totally ill-informed if you think "ANY" conference (black or white) determines the success or failure of an individual school's athletics. so none of what you stated is "valid". let me just put it this way. if there had been no "meac", a&t would not be a d1 school because none of the pwc d1 conferences were accepting hbcu's into their conferences back in 1980 when the meac officially became a d1 conference. so how was a&t to prosper at the d1 level over the years? in the swac? couldn't join the bsc when it was first founded and the only reason the bsc is now accepting hbcu's is because they "HAD TO" for the very "survival" of their conference. so you take away the meac and a&t would not have had an opportunity to build an fcs championship caliber athletic department unless it joined the swac which doesn't participate in the fcs playoffs and there wouldn't have been a celebration bowl. man, you folk who have "zero" appreciation for your roots are a "lost generation"... I apologize if you think I’m taking our meac opportunity for granted because in a way you’re right if we don’t join the meac who knows where we would be but the reality is it ain’t 19 whatever tf anymore we in the 21st century it’s time for change and we would hope those changes are for the better. You can’t deny and haven’t denied the fact the meac was a terribly ran conference. We only been in this new conference for barley half a year compared to 30+ in the meac so we haven’t even truly seen the benefits of anything. You just so stuck in your “ole school” ways.
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