oleschoolaggie
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 19:14:58 GMT -5
yeah and look at what the ovc has done for tennessee state! heck, look at what the bsc has done for hampton! keep trying to tell folk that "conferences" do not determine the success or failure of an individual school's athletic programs... TNSU is having bad years now but they have rich history especially in football, Hampton has never been amazing athletically but the over all quality of the school hasn’t decreased. ok, you must be "very young" cuz it wasn't that long ago that hampton had "the absolute best" overall athletic department in the meac. i mean, during the joe taylor era, hampton was literally kicking azz in almost "all sports", not just football. so to say that hampton has "never" been amazing athletically tells me that either you're too young to know (if that's the case you get a pass), or else you just don't know what da hail you're talkin' bout (if that's the case you don't get a pass). and relative to tennessee state? the last time tennessee state had a "rich history" of football was way back prior to the year of 1983 when they won about 10 black college national championships or so up to that point. mind you, tennessee state joined the ovc in 1986 and has only won "1" black college national championship since. but won at least 10 black college national championships just prior to joining the ovc and that speaks for itself as far as how much the ovc has help tsu athletics...
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 19, 2021 19:24:07 GMT -5
Its crazy that people continue to say Hampton and TSU fell off...they didnt fall off they are just facing better competition. Its easy to look like world beaters when you play subpar competition week in and week out.
Look at our resent loss to #13 ranked KSU, in what world does it make sense that we would fall below PV, Alcorn, FAMU and Norfolk state in any rankings? All those mentioned schools have played and will continue to play an easier schedule than us yet they will be ranked higher.
Put A&T on the gridiron vs those schools and watch us win.
HBCU that play tough competition are penalized for losing to ranked teams while HBCU that play weak competition are rewarded for winning. That is the reason why TSU hasnt won a black college national championship. They are playing tougher competition while SWAC and MEAC are rewarded for being the tallest midget.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 19:24:10 GMT -5
What we did before was enough to dominate the MEAC and be king of the hill in Black College Sports… see, that's part of the problem. we didn't necessarily "dominate" the meac. as i recall, we loss to msu and also famu in both 2019 and 2018. and we "literally" would not have won the meac championship had bcu not beat famu at the end of the year in 2018 and we wouldn't have won the meac "at all" in 2019 had famu not been on "probation". also, several of our meac championships over the last 5 or 6 years were results of being "tied" with several other meac schools. we just happen to have won the "tiebreaker". to me, that's not "domination". we "back doored" our way into several of those meac championships but folk seem to forget that...
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 19, 2021 19:26:24 GMT -5
Did the patriots win all there games during their super bowl runs? They didnt yet they are considered a dynasty and a dominant team...
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Post by aggie2008 on Oct 19, 2021 21:23:51 GMT -5
What we did before was enough to dominate the MEAC and be king of the hill in Black College Sports… see, that's part of the problem. we didn't necessarily "dominate" the meac. as i recall, we loss to msu and also famu in both 2019 and 2018. and we "literally" would not have won the meac championship had bcu not beat famu at the end of the year in 2018. also, several of our meac championships over the last 5 or 6 years were results of being "tied" with several other meac schools. we just happen to have won the "tiebreaker". to me, that's not "domination". we "back doored" our way into several of those meac championships but folk seem to forget that... BINGO!
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Post by zai on Oct 20, 2021 10:24:30 GMT -5
I can admit when I’m wrong and I was wrong about Hampton saying they where never great but they “fell off” way before the big south. Tennessee state has been able to get 20+ players in the league through draft alone since 86, that’s rich history to me.
The Whole point of all this is we don’t need to be tied down to just hbcu sports, I believe athletics is so much more than just winning a hbcu championship. why not compete for a fcs chip? Hampton and Tennessee state never had the momentum we have when they joined pwi conferences so it’s not fair to base our chance of success of theirs. It also damn sure doesn’t justify weird comments about the move we made I.e. questioning blackness and if we are an hbcu, etc.
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Post by aggie252 on Oct 20, 2021 11:46:00 GMT -5
I can admit when I’m wrong and I was wrong about Hampton saying they where never great but they “fell off” way before the big south. Tennessee state has been able to get 20+ players in the league through draft alone since 86, that’s rich history to me. The Whole point of all this is we don’t need to be tied down to just hbcu sports, I believe athletics is so much more than just winning a hbcu championship. why not compete for a fcs chip? Hampton and Tennessee state never had the momentum we have when they joined pwi conferences so it’s not fair to base our chance of success of theirs. It also damn sure doesn’t justify weird comments about the move we made I.e. questioning blackness and if we are an hbcu, etc. Although small, there have been some culture changes already, but I agree with you about the blackness and HBCU post. Although I will say, based on some of the post I've seen since the BS announcement was made, there does seem to be a small percentage on here who seem to equate being associated with a PWI/whiteness as "striving for better" and finally being "legitimized". Not sure if its intentional, but it comes off that way...at least to me.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 20, 2021 11:59:37 GMT -5
I can admit when I’m wrong and I was wrong about Hampton saying they where never great but they “fell off” way before the big south. Tennessee state has been able to get 20+ players in the league through draft alone since 86, that’s rich history to me. The Whole point of all this is we don’t need to be tied down to just hbcu sports, I believe athletics is so much more than just winning a hbcu championship. why not compete for a fcs chip? Hampton and Tennessee state never had the momentum we have when they joined pwi conferences so it’s not fair to base our chance of success of theirs. It also damn sure doesn’t justify weird comments about the move we made I.e. questioning blackness and if we are an hbcu, etc. Although small, there have been some culture changes already, but I agree with you about the blackness and HBCU post. Although I will say, based on some of the post I've seen since the BS announcement was made, there does seem to be a small percentage on here who seem to equate being associated with a PWI/whiteness as "striving for better" and finally being "legitimized". Not sure if its intentional, but it comes off that way...at least to me. I think the problem is that people can’t separate emotion from facts. The big south is a PWI conference that is more competitive in every single sport that is sponsored, so yes joining the big south is striving for better. It’s a fact. Yes, winning the big south and excelling in the playoffs does legitimize A&T athletics. Is being the best out of 19 low resource schools something to really celebrate and beat our chest about? The big south just happens to be a PWI conf. If the MEAC was the higher rated conf in all sports we would not be singing the tune if we are striving to grow athletically. It’s not about race it’s about facts…big south just happens to have a bunch of PWIs. Race is holding a lot of you back from a mental and emotional standpoint.
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Post by bseballaggie on Oct 20, 2021 12:08:21 GMT -5
not true. we made "multi-millions" of dollars playing in the cb. let me repeat, "multi-millions" of dollars! how much money will we make "if" we make the fcs playoffs? answer? NONE!! we will actually "lose money" by playing in the fcs playoffs. yet, you say "financial stability"... Vs what expenses, count the money after the bills or paid.
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Post by bseballaggie on Oct 20, 2021 12:08:34 GMT -5
not true. we made "multi-millions" of dollars playing in the cb. let me repeat, "multi-millions" of dollars! how much money will we make "if" we make the fcs playoffs? answer? NONE!! we will actually "lose money" by playing in the fcs playoffs. yet, you say "financial stability"... Vs what expenses, count the money after the bills or paid.
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Post by aggie252 on Oct 20, 2021 12:22:46 GMT -5
Although small, there have been some culture changes already, but I agree with you about the blackness and HBCU post. Although I will say, based on some of the post I've seen since the BS announcement was made, there does seem to be a small percentage on here who seem to equate being associated with a PWI/whiteness as "striving for better" and finally being "legitimized". Not sure if its intentional, but it comes off that way...at least to me. I think the problem is that people can’t separate emotion from facts. The big south is a PWI conference that is more competitive in every single sport that is sponsored, so yes joining the big south is striving for better. It’s a fact. Yes, winning the big south and excelling in the playoffs does legitimize A&T athletics. Is being the best out of 19 low resource schools something to really celebrate and beat our chest about? The big south just happens to be a PWI conf. If the MEAC was the higher rated conf in all sports we would not be singing the tune if we are striving to grow athletically. It’s not about race it’s about facts…big south just happens to have a bunch of PWIs. Race is holding a lot of you back from a mental and emotional standpoint. Anytime race is mentioned on here, you come running with your CAPE! Where in my post did I say that it wasn't a better conference or wasn't better competition? I've said I'm cool with the move because it give the athletes more time on campus. The point of my post was that for some on here, even without knowing any of what you posted or if all things were equal between the BS and the MEAC, the simple fact that we were moving to a PWI conference and were going to be associate with whiteness, they were going to see it as being legitimized. If you don't agree that some of the post on here come off that way, cool. That's your right, but you don't know what my opinions are on race, so I don't know how you're going to tell me what's holding me back.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 20, 2021 12:25:07 GMT -5
not true. we made "multi-millions" of dollars playing in the cb. let me repeat, "multi-millions" of dollars! how much money will we make "if" we make the fcs playoffs? answer? NONE!! we will actually "lose money" by playing in the fcs playoffs. yet, you say "financial stability"... Vs what expenses, count the money after the bills or paid. oh, i see. now you're gone "move the goal post", huh? don't have a comeback for a&t earning "multi-millions" of dollars in the meac, huh? yeah, i get it. its okay if you don't wanna admit it! carry on, please...
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Post by zai on Oct 20, 2021 12:39:36 GMT -5
Vs what expenses, count the money after the bills or paid. oh, i see. now you're gone "move the goal post", huh? don't have a comeback for a&t earning "multi-millions" of dollars in the meac, huh? yeah, i get it. its okay if you don't wanna admit it! carry on, please... he has a point tho, we made those millions but have nothing much to show for it because it’s being spent just as fast as we make it. So in a way we aren’t making any revenue . Can’t rule out facts and legit situations.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 20, 2021 12:50:55 GMT -5
oh, i see. now you're gone "move the goal post", huh? don't have a comeback for a&t earning "multi-millions" of dollars in the meac, huh? yeah, i get it. its okay if you don't wanna admit it! carry on, please... he has a point tho, we made those millions but have nothing much to show for it because it’s being spent just as fast as we make it. So in a way we aren’t making any revenue . Can’t rule out facts and legit situations. that's ridiculous. how do you know that we have nothing much to show for the money made at the cb? have you noticed all of the "recent" upgrades to corbett center? new video jumbotron, new court, new "theater rooms" for team video sessions? you think that stuff is cheap? look, nobody can say that we have nothing much to show for the money made at the cb cuz we don't know what it was spent on. if it was used to finance scholarships, how would you know? that's something that's not "visible" to outsiders but it costs a lot of money...
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Post by zai on Oct 20, 2021 12:57:27 GMT -5
he has a point tho, we made those millions but have nothing much to show for it because it’s being spent just as fast as we make it. So in a way we aren’t making any revenue . Can’t rule out facts and legit situations. that's ridiculous. how do you know that we have nothing much to show for the money made at the cb? have you noticed all of the "recent" upgrades to corbett center? new video jumbotron, new court, new "theater rooms" for team video sessions? you think that stuff is cheap? look, nobody can say that we have nothing much to show for the money made at the cb cuz we don't know what it was spent on. if it was used to finance scholarships, how would you know? that's something that's not "visible" to outsiders but it costs a lot of money... some of that stuff was before the CB but you’re missing the point. The school wants to maximize the money it pockets, for the most part the athletics budget and the money spent yearly is public information and it shows that we spend just as much as we make. No positive or negative gains as far as revenue. Things would be a lot more fancier if we could turn that break even price into a positive 6 or 7 figure gain. I don’t understand how you see a problem with that. Better yet, would you want to be in the meac forever oleschool?
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