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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 12:13:38 GMT -5
that's only your "opinion", not a "FACT". you're totally ill-informed if you think "ANY" conference (black or white) determines the success or failure of an individual school's athletics. so none of what you stated is "valid". let me just put it this way. if there had been no "meac", a&t would not be a d1 school because none of the pwc d1 conferences were accepting hbcu's into their conferences back in 1980 when the meac officially became a d1 conference. so how was a&t to prosper at the d1 level over the years? in the swac? couldn't join the bsc when it was first founded and the only reason the bsc is now accepting hbcu's is because they "HAD TO" for the very "survival" of their conference. so you take away the meac and a&t would not have had an opportunity to build an fcs championship caliber athletic department unless it joined the swac which doesn't participate in the fcs playoffs and there wouldn't have been a celebration bowl. man, you folk who have "zero" appreciation for your roots are a "lost generation"... I apologize if you think I’m taking our meac opportunity for granted because in a way you’re right if we don’t join the meac who knows where we would be but the reality is it ain’t 19 whatever tf anymore we in the 21st century it’s time for change and we would hope those changes are for the better. You can’t deny and haven’t denied the fact the meac was a terribly ran conference. We only been in this new conference for barley half a year compared to 30+ in the meac so we haven’t even truly seen the benefits of anything. You just so stuck in your “ole school” ways. not stuck in old school ways. if so, i would be advocating that a&t should have never left the ciaa. and yes, i totally disagree that the meac was "poorly run". was it better than the swac? yes! was it better than the ciaa? yes! was it better than the siac? yes!! could it have done some things better? absolutely. but that doesn't mean it was "poorly run". could a&t do some things better? absolutely! so the meac was no different in that regard. i see that you conveniently didn't answer any of my questions and that alone is very "telling"...
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Post by zai on Oct 19, 2021 12:13:45 GMT -5
And to say hbcus couldn’t join the BSC or other pwi conferences in the “80s” is an opinion. Most D1 hbcus where already committed to their D1 conferences (MEAC, SWAC), TNSU joined the OVC in 86 so that statement you made ain’t true.
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Post by zai on Oct 19, 2021 12:16:18 GMT -5
I apologize if you think I’m taking our meac opportunity for granted because in a way you’re right if we don’t join the meac who knows where we would be but the reality is it ain’t 19 whatever tf anymore we in the 21st century it’s time for change and we would hope those changes are for the better. You can’t deny and haven’t denied the fact the meac was a terribly ran conference. We only been in this new conference for barley half a year compared to 30+ in the meac so we haven’t even truly seen the benefits of anything. You just so stuck in your “ole school” ways. not stuck in old school ways. if so, i would be advocating that a&t should had never left the ciaa. and yes, i totally disagree that the meac was "poorly run". was it better than the swac? yes! was it better than the ciaa? yes! was it better than the siac? yes!! could it have done some things better? absolutely. but that doesn't mean it was "poorly run". could a&t do some things better? absolutely! so the meac was no different in that regard. i see that you conveniently didn't answer any of my questions and that alone is very "telling"... I answered your question by saying that A&T could possibly not be in the position to play D1 sports without the meac but that could be debatable.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 12:22:44 GMT -5
not stuck in old school ways. if so, i would be advocating that a&t should had never left the ciaa. and yes, i totally disagree that the meac was "poorly run". was it better than the swac? yes! was it better than the ciaa? yes! was it better than the siac? yes!! could it have done some things better? absolutely. but that doesn't mean it was "poorly run". could a&t do some things better? absolutely! so the meac was no different in that regard. i see that you conveniently didn't answer any of my questions and that alone is very "telling"... I answered your question by saying that A&T could possibly not be in the position to play D1 sports without the meac but that could be debatable. not that question, but these questions;
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 19, 2021 12:31:03 GMT -5
The opportunity to join wasn't there 20 or 30 years ago obviously.
When the opportunity presented itself our administration thought it was an opportunity to continue to advance the university. I personally don't think you hold back the university for the sake of a conference that has openly ignored some of your legitimate concerns. Unfortunately we also simply no longer aligned with a number of our fellow MEAC schools. I said it in a different thread. They were keeping us from achieving some of our goals and we were going to kill them trying to drag them with us to achieve goals they didn't have.
I know there was a time when athletically the conference should've kicked us out. But honestly you don't kick the largest school in the conference out for sucking when you know they can turn it around quickly. Likewise I would think you would try to entice that same school to stay if you know you're regularly voting against its interests. In this instance due to the vast differences in financial ability, enrollment, and interests, the MEAC simply couldn't do but so much to entice us to stay. I for one am not mad at them for not bending over backwards to do our will to the detriment of the other members of the conference, and I also am not mad at our administration for doing its due diligence and moving to a conference more in line with where we are attempting to push the university.
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Post by zai on Oct 19, 2021 12:35:16 GMT -5
I answered your question by saying that A&T could possibly not be in the position to play D1 sports without the meac but that could be debatable. not that question, but these questions; meac was created before bsc. swac, ciaa, siac before all those conferences but they where created because black schools weren’t allowed in pwi conferences so hbcus made their own. We all know that but times not like that anymore you stuck in the past, we should know and understand history but we don’t need to live like we still in the past. My whole point of asking the fbs question was to see how you would feel and think about a hbcu being with all those pwi schools and no other hbcus to team up with on the same level. I’m trying to tell you to get out that comfort zone because honestly with that mentality you would want the school to be 100% black that would mean firing our white athletics director. Ain’t nothing wrong with being different
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 13:45:34 GMT -5
not that question, but these questions; meac was created before bsc. swac, ciaa, siac before all those conferences but they where created because black schools weren’t allowed in pwi conferences so hbcus made their own. We all know that but times not like that anymore you stuck in the past, we should know and understand history but we don’t need to live like we still in the past. My whole point of asking the fbs question was to see how you would feel and think about a hbcu being with all those pwi schools and no other hbcus to team up with on the same level. I’m trying to tell you to get out that comfort zone because honestly with that mentality you would want the school to be 100% black that would mean firing our white athletics director. Ain’t nothing wrong with being different point being is that the meac, swac, ciaa, and siac were created because pwc conferences would not allow hbcu's in their conferences. and guess what? it was those very same pwc conference schools that did everything in their power to keep hbcu's down. so you go from supporting an hbcu conference, to supporting pwc's. the very same institutions that did everything in their power to keep hbcu's down, and were quite successful at that! this is where the so called fellow hbcu "hate" is coming from. there ain't nothing in the bsc that a&t can accomplish that couldn't be accomplished in the meac, including an fcs national championship...
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Post by oldschool on Oct 19, 2021 14:28:04 GMT -5
If memory serves me correctly Tennessee State was classified as independent before joining the OVC in 1986 .Therefore an HBCU could become D1 without joining a particular conference . And them joining the OVC was part of a court mandated order.
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Post by bseballaggie on Oct 19, 2021 15:18:42 GMT -5
meac was created before bsc. swac, ciaa, siac before all those conferences but they where created because black schools weren’t allowed in pwi conferences so hbcus made their own. We all know that but times not like that anymore you stuck in the past, we should know and understand history but we don’t need to live like we still in the past. My whole point of asking the fbs question was to see how you would feel and think about a hbcu being with all those pwi schools and no other hbcus to team up with on the same level. I’m trying to tell you to get out that comfort zone because honestly with that mentality you would want the school to be 100% black that would mean firing our white athletics director. Ain’t nothing wrong with being different point being is that the meac, swac, ciaa, and siac were created because pwc conferences would not allow hbcu's in their conferences. and guess what? it was those very same pwc conference schools that did everything in their power to keep hbcu's down. so you go from supporting an hbcu conference, to supporting pwc's. the very same institutions that did everything in their power to keep hbcu's down, and were quite successful at that! this is where the so called fellow hbcu "hate" is coming from. there ain't nothing in the bsc that a&t can accomplish that couldn't be accomplished in the meac, including an fcs national championship... Financial Stability!!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 15:20:18 GMT -5
yeah and look at what the ovc has done for tennessee state! heck, look at what the bsc has done for hampton! keep trying to tell folk that "conferences" do not determine the success or failure of an individual school's athletic programs...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2021 15:23:22 GMT -5
point being is that the meac, swac, ciaa, and siac were created because pwc conferences would not allow hbcu's in their conferences. and guess what? it was those very same pwc conference schools that did everything in their power to keep hbcu's down. so you go from supporting an hbcu conference, to supporting pwc's. the very same institutions that did everything in their power to keep hbcu's down, and were quite successful at that! this is where the so called fellow hbcu "hate" is coming from. there ain't nothing in the bsc that a&t can accomplish that couldn't be accomplished in the meac, including an fcs national championship... Financial Stability!! not true. we made "multi-millions" of dollars playing in the cb. let me repeat, "multi-millions" of dollars! how much money will we make "if" we make the fcs playoffs? answer? NONE!! we will actually "lose money" by playing in the fcs playoffs. yet, you say "financial stability"...
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Post by aggie252 on Oct 19, 2021 15:40:03 GMT -5
yeah and look at what the ovc has done for tennessee state! heck, look at what the bsc has done for hampton! keep trying to tell folk that "conferences" do not determine the success or failure of an individual school's athletic programs... This is what I’ve been curious about. Are Hampton and TSU experiencing all these benefits that get talk about on here, outside of less travel.
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Post by Maxell on Oct 19, 2021 15:44:03 GMT -5
yeah and look at what the ovc has done for tennessee state! heck, look at what the bsc has done for hampton! keep trying to tell folk that "conferences" do not determine the success or failure of an individual school's athletic programs... Success and failure are relative.
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Post by zai on Oct 19, 2021 16:38:15 GMT -5
yeah and look at what the ovc has done for tennessee state! heck, look at what the bsc has done for hampton! keep trying to tell folk that "conferences" do not determine the success or failure of an individual school's athletic programs... TNSU is having bad years now but they have rich history especially in football, Hampton has never been amazing athletically but the over all quality of the school hasn’t decreased.
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Oct 19, 2021 16:57:00 GMT -5
yeah and look at what the ovc has done for tennessee state! heck, look at what the bsc has done for hampton! keep trying to tell folk that "conferences" do not determine the success or failure of an individual school's athletic programs... TNSU is having bad years now but they have rich history especially in football, Hampton has never been amazing athletically but the over all quality of the school hasn’t decreased. I think you are missing oleschools point. I don’t share his opinion on everything, but I believe that given TSUs history he has a valid point in saying the OVC has not been a good fit for them. Now what I don’t agree with him on is who is to blame for that. TSU can be as successful in the OVC as they want to be…and moving to the SWAC won’t all of a sudden change their fortunes. Some people in Daytona Beach got buyers remorse about their move to the SWAC, but that has less to do with the SWAC than it does with support of the program. A&T can have success in the BSC and has demonstrated we can compete with the top schools in the conference. That said, it is yet to be determined if we have decided if we just want to compete or if we want to dominate this league and make playoff runs. To do that it will require a change in the formula we used in the MEAC. What we did before was enough to dominate the MEAC and be king of the hill in Black College Sports…that won’t be enough now…we have to evolve and get better. That history is just that…history…same is true for TSU and Hampton. If we want to compete with the best of the best…clamoring for the good ole days when we could win the celebration bowl are over. We will see in a very few years what the school really wants. We you look at our academics and over all university profile…who we consider our peers to be, and how we are positioning ourselves as a R1 university things seem clear to me. Our admin is looking to upgrade A&T across the board…sports programs included. Time will tell…but I don’t want to end up like TSU…they have had more than just a few bad years. They are irrelevant in FCS football, and that is unacceptable for A&T.
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