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Post by DOOMS on Oct 18, 2021 14:38:41 GMT -5
The more I think about the move, the more I realize the need to make it (outside of the cost savings and desire to upgrade the overall panache of the school).
A lot, a whole lot, of regional universities are getting our kids nowadays. They don't give two ishts what schools their school is playing against. This shows there's a minority of our kids that are still concerned with going to an hbcu for that "full hbcu experience." I mean honestly I didn't come to Ayantee based off who they'd be playing in conference. I had zero idea who was in the conference in reality. Hell, my cousin who was a second generation Morehouse student told me he wished Howard and Morehouse were still in the same conference like they were in the 90s when he was in school so they could still play one another. Folks just don't know and don't really care until they hit the school.
If we want to get our kids back and expand our brand (maybe it is "exposure") then we needed to move outside the comfort zone. If HBCUs "hate on us" for trying to keep ourselves viable, hate on...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 18, 2021 15:10:14 GMT -5
the attitude from other hbcu's is "very simple". its called a "sense of betrayal". its just that simple. folk can put their heads in the sand all they want, but clearly our fellow hbcu brethren feel "betrayed" and imo, justifiably so.
and, to make matters "waaaaaay" worst, we've got a few alums who directly and intentionally thumb their noses at the meac and that's a "FACT". basically saying we're better than you, almost sounding as if they're "white folk".
yeah, we're pretty much the "konye west" of hbcu's...
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Post by 919aggie on Oct 18, 2021 15:26:42 GMT -5
the attitude from other hbcu's is "very simple". its called a "sense of betrayal". its just that simple. folk can put their heads in the sand all they want, but clearly our fellow hbcu brethren feel "betrayed" and imo, justifiably so. and, to make matters "waaaaaay" worst, we've got a few alums who directly and intentionally thumb their noses at the meac and that's a "FACT". basically saying we're better than you, almost sounding as if they're "white folk". yeah, we're pretty much the "konye west" of hbcu's... But just about every HBCU student/alum thinks that their University is better than the next…We’ve just been able to “prove it”😉 Also majority of the “hate” comes from SWAC/FAMU idk how either one of them would feel ‘betrayed’
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 18, 2021 15:47:49 GMT -5
the attitude from other hbcu's is "very simple". its called a "sense of betrayal". its just that simple. folk can put their heads in the sand all they want, but clearly our fellow hbcu brethren feel "betrayed" and imo, justifiably so. and, to make matters "waaaaaay" worst, we've got a few alums who directly and intentionally thumb their noses at the meac and that's a "FACT". basically saying we're better than you, almost sounding as if they're "white folk". yeah, we're pretty much the "konye west" of hbcu's... But just about every HBCU student/alum thinks that their University is better than the next…We’ve just been able to “prove it”😉 Also majority of the “hate” comes from SWAC/FAMU idk how either one of them would feel ‘betrayed’ just look at what you just posted? we've never "PROVEN" that a&t is better than "ALL" hbcu's no more than we've "PROVEN" that a&t has the greatest homecoming on earth. sure, its one thing to claim your hbcu is better than another hbcu. but saying you're better than "ALL" hbcu's so you will join a pwc conference and then "thumb your nose" at them is quite another. and if you don't understand why the swac/famu feels betrayed, then i've got to wonder about your understanding of "loyalty". a&t didn't just betray the meac, but by taking its support "away" from an hbcu conference and giving that support to a pwc conference, they've also betrayed "ALL" hbcu's. that alone should more than explain where the so called "hate" is coming from. nobody is giving famu or bcu a hard time because even though they left an hbcu conference, they in turn joined another hbcu conference. thus, never taking their support away from hbcu conferences. same can be said for wssu and ssu. but not so for a&t and that's the difference...
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Post by zai on Oct 18, 2021 18:03:20 GMT -5
But just about every HBCU student/alum thinks that their University is better than the next…We’ve just been able to “prove it”😉 Also majority of the “hate” comes from SWAC/FAMU idk how either one of them would feel ‘betrayed’ just look at what you just posted? we've never "PROVEN" that a&t is better than "ALL" hbcu's no more than we've "PROVEN" that a&t has the greatest homecoming on earth. sure, its one thing to claim your hbcu is better than another hbcu. but saying you're better than "ALL" hbcu's so you will join a pwc conference and then "thumb your nose" at them is quite another. and if you don't understand why the swac/famu feels betrayed, then i've got to wonder about your understanding of "loyalty". a&t didn't just betray the meac, but by taking its support "away" from an hbcu conference and giving that support to a pwc conference, they've also betrayed "ALL" hbcu's. that alone should more than explain where the so called "hate" is coming from. nobody is giving famu or bcu a hard time because even though they left an hbcu conference, they in turn joined another hbcu conference. thus, never taking their support away from hbcu conferences. same can be said for wssu and ssu. but not so for a&t and that's the difference... but in all honesty what do we owe the meac and other hbcus? As someone stated the hate is coming from swac schools and famu, no other meac or former meac school cares honestly. We where in the meac for 40+ years and don’t have much to show for it honestly. Yes our current growth came as a member in that conference but was that conference truly responsible for our growth? Football team got recognition for beating competitive OOC schools, FCS, and FBS. No one cared when we started meac play not even our own school, community, and alum that’s why we bicker over our piss poor attendance. All in all I feel like and the power that be felt like the meac was weighing us down from becoming a unstoppable monster and potentially moving up to fbs. My opinion feel free to rebuttal
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 18, 2021 18:51:14 GMT -5
just look at what you just posted? we've never "PROVEN" that a&t is better than "ALL" hbcu's no more than we've "PROVEN" that a&t has the greatest homecoming on earth. sure, its one thing to claim your hbcu is better than another hbcu. but saying you're better than "ALL" hbcu's so you will join a pwc conference and then "thumb your nose" at them is quite another. and if you don't understand why the swac/famu feels betrayed, then i've got to wonder about your understanding of "loyalty". a&t didn't just betray the meac, but by taking its support "away" from an hbcu conference and giving that support to a pwc conference, they've also betrayed "ALL" hbcu's. that alone should more than explain where the so called "hate" is coming from. nobody is giving famu or bcu a hard time because even though they left an hbcu conference, they in turn joined another hbcu conference. thus, never taking their support away from hbcu conferences. same can be said for wssu and ssu. but not so for a&t and that's the difference... but in all honesty what do we owe the meac and other hbcus? in all honesty, what does the black community owe hbcu's? if ya wanna be a pwc, then why not "completely" change the demographics of a&t? look, without the meac, a&t athletics wouldn't be where it is today. just "erase" those 4 appearances in the cb and the national notoriety of our track program. i mean, how soon we forget? it was the meac that didn't give a&t "the boot" when it loss 27 football games in a row and had "by far" the worst overall athletic department in the meac at that time. what do we owe dr. king, malcolm "x", barack obama, and jesse jackson? what do we owe the a&t four? what do we owe all of those who came before us? if you don't believe we owe the meac anything, then you probably don't believe we owe anything to the community that we serve...
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 18, 2021 19:13:08 GMT -5
The move wasn’t about loyalty or the MEAC. It was about alll these schools we see popping up claiming they’re like hbcus because they have large numbers of Black students. Where do you think these students are coming from? They don’t care about us being in the meac and neither does anybody else who hasn’t actually attended an hbcu. This move wasn’t about the past or the present. It was about the future and our administration’s ability to see it.
I’ve got cousins at Georgia State and Kennesaw State and they are PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE at these places. This generation isn’t necessarily sold on hbcus but most of the kids in this area I meet only consider two hbcus: some local “fall back” they really don’t want to attend and North Carolina A&T. They do not care about the meac. We get indoctrinated into that after we get on campus.
I doubt they’ll care all that much about Gardner-Webb or Campbell but the goal is to not LOSE them to Gardner-Webb or Campbell in the first place.
Hbcus ain’t hating on kings. They hating on the future. The times have changed and we’ve jumped ahead of the curve.
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Post by 919aggie on Oct 18, 2021 19:16:20 GMT -5
But just about every HBCU student/alum thinks that their University is better than the next…We’ve just been able to “prove it”😉 Also majority of the “hate” comes from SWAC/FAMU idk how either one of them would feel ‘betrayed’ just look at what you just posted? we've never "PROVEN" that a&t is better than "ALL" hbcu's no more than we've "PROVEN" that a&t has the greatest homecoming on earth. sure, its one thing to claim your hbcu is better than another hbcu. but saying you're better than "ALL" hbcu's so you will join a pwc conference and then "thumb your nose" at them is quite another. and if you don't understand why the swac/famu feels betrayed, then i've got to wonder about your understanding of "loyalty". a&t didn't just betray the meac, but by taking its support "away" from an hbcu conference and giving that support to a pwc conference, they've also betrayed "ALL" hbcu's. that alone should more than explain where the so called "hate" is coming from. nobody is giving famu or bcu a hard time because even though they left an hbcu conference, they in turn joined another hbcu conference. thus, never taking their support away from hbcu conferences. same can be said for wssu and ssu. but not so for a&t and that's the difference... lol I never said that A&T was better than "ALL" HBCUs...But now that I think about it, we are better than most (ijs facts are facts) and no I don't understand why the SWAC or FAMU would feel any type of way...they left the MEAC before and we rarely play the SWAC. If you were to ask a wssu/nccu/famu/jsu/howard/hampton/etc alum if their school is 'better' than A&T 9/10 they will say yes...Some Aggies may be arrogant, but you can literally say that for A LOT of other HBCU alums. When it comes to the 'WHY' we left the MEAC, isn't it all just speculation? I would love to hear your thoughts on why we left...Also, what do you think we 'owe' the MEAC? lifetime membership no matter what?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 18, 2021 19:19:54 GMT -5
just look at what you just posted? we've never "PROVEN" that a&t is better than "ALL" hbcu's no more than we've "PROVEN" that a&t has the greatest homecoming on earth. sure, its one thing to claim your hbcu is better than another hbcu. but saying you're better than "ALL" hbcu's so you will join a pwc conference and then "thumb your nose" at them is quite another. and if you don't understand why the swac/famu feels betrayed, then i've got to wonder about your understanding of "loyalty". a&t didn't just betray the meac, but by taking its support "away" from an hbcu conference and giving that support to a pwc conference, they've also betrayed "ALL" hbcu's. that alone should more than explain where the so called "hate" is coming from. nobody is giving famu or bcu a hard time because even though they left an hbcu conference, they in turn joined another hbcu conference. thus, never taking their support away from hbcu conferences. same can be said for wssu and ssu. but not so for a&t and that's the difference... lol I never said that A&T was better than "ALL" HBCUs...But now that I think about it, we are better than most (ijs facts are facts) and no I don't understand why the SWAC or FAMU would feel any type of way...they left the MEAC before and we rarely play the SWAC. If you were to ask a wssu/nccu/famu/jsu/howard/hampton/etc alum if their school is 'better' than A&T 9/10 they will say yes...Some Aggies may be arrogant, but you can literally say that for A LOT of other HBCU alums. When it comes to the 'WHY' we left the MEAC, isn't it all just speculation? I would love to hear your thoughts on why we left... don't get me started on "why" a&t left the meac. i'm sure i've posted a "book" worth of explanations on this message board already, don't feel a need to do it all over again...
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Post by aggie252 on Oct 18, 2021 19:26:53 GMT -5
The move wasn’t about loyalty or the MEAC. It was about alll these schools we see popping up claiming they’re like hbcus because they have large numbers of Black students. Where do you think these students are coming from? They don’t care about us being in the meac and neither does anybody else who hasn’t actually attended an hbcu. This move wasn’t about the past or the present. It was about the future and our administration’s ability to see it. I’ve got cousins at Georgia State and Kennesaw State and they are PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE at these places. This generation isn’t necessarily sold on hbcus but most of the kids in this area I meet only consider two hbcus: some local “fall back” they really don’t want to attend and North Carolina A&T. They do not care about the meac. We get indoctrinated into that after we get on campus. I doubt they’ll care all that much about Gardner-Webb or Campbell but the goal is to not LOSE them to Gardner-Webb or Campbell in the first place. Hbcus ain’t hating on kings. They hating on the future. The times have changed and we’ve jumped ahead of the curve. This is a genuine question, what about moving to the big south is going to attract black students that are going to schools like Georgia st and kennesaw, etc. if they don’t care about the meac why would they care that we’re in the BS? I’m not understanding how the move has an effect on admissions outside of athletics?
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Post by 919aggie on Oct 18, 2021 19:41:03 GMT -5
lol I never said that A&T was better than "ALL" HBCUs...But now that I think about it, we are better than most (ijs facts are facts) and no I don't understand why the SWAC or FAMU would feel any type of way...they left the MEAC before and we rarely play the SWAC. If you were to ask a wssu/nccu/famu/jsu/howard/hampton/etc alum if their school is 'better' than A&T 9/10 they will say yes...Some Aggies may be arrogant, but you can literally say that for A LOT of other HBCU alums. When it comes to the 'WHY' we left the MEAC, isn't it all just speculation? I would love to hear your thoughts on why we left... don't get me started on "why" a&t left the meac. i'm sure i've posted a "book" worth of explanations on this message board already, don't feel a need to do it all over again... It just doesn't make sense to me...Especially when you say we 'owe' the MEAC or any other HBCU. Should A&T make a yearly donation to Shaw since they allowed us to start in their basement? Should a stay at home mom suffer abuse from her husband because she doesn't work or pay bills? My mom allowed me to live with her until college, so should I be forced to pay for everything she does and all of her bills until death? Are you saying that we weren't a benefit to the MEAC but they were a benefit to us? Yes, they allowed us to stay when we sucked, but with recent positive attention we've brought the MEAC..is that not 'payback'? Outside of you wanting to stay, I'm genuinely confused on the other stuff...
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Post by lenman1 on Oct 18, 2021 19:49:29 GMT -5
I live in the DMV and can't recall anyone "hating on A&T". Maybe its a North Carolina phenomenon since 75% of the students are from NC. Counter to the narrative of a significant percentage of black kids preferring white schools, the enrollment numbers belie that fact. Almost every MEAC school had record freshman enrollment even struggling South Carolina State. Howard had its biggest enrollment in 20 years and Morgan had its biggest enrollment ever. Delaware State just acquired a private university and is shooting to push its enrollment to 10K. Everybody talk smack but most folks are super proud to see our schools thrive. This is the best of times for most of our HBCU's.
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Post by zai on Oct 18, 2021 20:14:45 GMT -5
but in all honesty what do we owe the meac and other hbcus? in all honesty, what does the black community owe hbcu's? if ya wanna be a pwc, then why not "completely" change the demographics of a&t? look, without the meac, a&t athletics wouldn't be where it is today. just "erase" those 4 appearances in the cb and the national notoriety of our track program. i mean, how soon we forget? it was the meac that didn't give a&t "the boot" when it loss 27 football games in a row and had "by far" the worst overall athletic department in the meac at that time. what do we owe dr. king, malcolm "x", barack obama, and jesse jackson? what do we owe the a&t four? what do we owe all of those who came before us? if you don't believe we owe the meac anything, then you probably don't believe we owe anything to the community that we serve... once again the football team got notice for beating ranked fcs schools and fbs schools. The track team got notice for breaking world records and smoking too fbs schools. The celebration bowl was good but that’s about it. We now have the ability to compete for fcs national championships, something that holds more weight then the celebration bowl if we being honest. Once again the celebration bowl was amazing but It shouldn’t be a limit for us and we shouldn’t be complacent about it. Comparing civil rights leaders who died and risked their life for all black Americans and other minorities in the world is not the same as a damn athletic conference that’s doing nothing to put the participating schools in better positions. What has the meac done that’s worth comparing them to civil rights leaders? What has the meac done to make you so loyal to them? I get it though I guess, you grew up with the meac and you have a old soul so you fear change.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 20:19:34 GMT -5
lol I never said that A&T was better than "ALL" HBCUs...But now that I think about it, we are better than most (ijs facts are facts) and no I don't understand why the SWAC or FAMU would feel any type of way...they left the MEAC before and we rarely play the SWAC. If you were to ask a wssu/nccu/famu/jsu/howard/hampton/etc alum if their school is 'better' than A&T 9/10 they will say yes...Some Aggies may be arrogant, but you can literally say that for A LOT of other HBCU alums. When it comes to the 'WHY' we left the MEAC, isn't it all just speculation? I would love to hear your thoughts on why we left... don't get me started on "why" a&t left the meac. i'm sure i've posted a "book" worth of explanations on this message board already, don't feel a need to do it all over again... Your book was full of lies, fairytales, fallacies, and inaccuracies, but sure, post it again if you like.
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Post by aggie252 on Oct 18, 2021 20:36:53 GMT -5
in all honesty, what does the black community owe hbcu's? if ya wanna be a pwc, then why not "completely" change the demographics of a&t? look, without the meac, a&t athletics wouldn't be where it is today. just "erase" those 4 appearances in the cb and the national notoriety of our track program. i mean, how soon we forget? it was the meac that didn't give a&t "the boot" when it loss 27 football games in a row and had "by far" the worst overall athletic department in the meac at that time. what do we owe dr. king, malcolm "x", barack obama, and jesse jackson? what do we owe the a&t four? what do we owe all of those who came before us? if you don't believe we owe the meac anything, then you probably don't believe we owe anything to the community that we serve... once again the football team got notice for beating ranked fcs schools and fbs schools. The track team got notice for breaking world records and smoking too fbs schools. The celebration bowl was good but that’s about it. We now have the ability to compete for fcs national championships, something that holds more weight then the celebration bowl if we being honest. Once again the celebration bowl was amazing but It shouldn’t be a limit for us and we shouldn’t be complacent about it. Comparing civil rights leaders who died and risked their life for all black Americans and other minorities in the world is not the same as a damn athletic conference that’s doing nothing to put the participating schools in better positions. What has the meac done that’s worth comparing them to civil rights leaders? What has the meac done to make you so loyal to them? I get it though I guess, you grew up with the meac and you have a old soul so you fear change. “Celebration bowl was good but that’s about it”? You think beating Kent St and Charlotte got us more notoriety nationally than winning celebration bowls, which if I remember correctly were always the only bowl game airing on ESPN at that time slot? Of course if we start winning National championships like app state did in the early 00s it will be way more exposure, but some seem to think just simply being in the playoffs is going to be some major exposure boost. I just don’t see it. I couldn’t name 2 teams that were in the last playoffs.
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