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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 25, 2020 12:38:24 GMT -5
unless a&t acquires a permanent "billionaire" football program donor, if dr. martin attempts to move a&t to the fbs level, i'll be the first to start a petition for dr. martin to be terminated as our chancellor. without a permanent "billionaire" football program donor or equivalent, there is no way whatsoever that a&t can survive (much less remain competitive) at the fbs level.
it is literally "ridiculous" to think that an hbcu that cannot even advance beyond the 1st round of the fcs playoffs will somehow be competitive at the fbs level. just doesn't make any sense! especially considering that we don't come remotely close to having enough "funding" to compete at the fbs level.
folk need to learn from their "history". famu "barely" lasted 1 year at the fbs level before they "tucked tail" and hauled azz back to the fcs level. but not before they got hit with "multiple" ncaa violations as a result of that move and also incurred a "ton" of depth trying to compete at the fbs level, and they still have not totally recovered from that "fiasco".
there's a reason no other hbcu has been "stupid" enough to make the same mistake that famu made...
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Post by outsidethinker on Sept 26, 2020 1:07:30 GMT -5
unless a&t acquires a permanent "billionaire" football program donor, if dr. martin attempts to move a&t to the fbs level, i'll be the first to start a petition for dr. martin to be terminated as our chancellor. without a permanent "billionaire" football program donor or equivalent, there is no way whatsoever that a&t can survive (much less remain competitive) at the fbs level. it is literally "ridiculous" to think that an hbcu that cannot even advance beyond the 1st round of the fcs playoffs will somehow be competitive at the fbs level. just doesn't make any sense! especially considering that we don't come remotely close to having enough "funding" to compete at the fbs level. folk need to learn from their "history". famu "barely" lasted 1 year at the fbs level before they "tucked tail" and hauled azz back to the fcs level. but not before they got hit with "multiple" ncaa violations as a result of that move and also incurred a "ton" of depth trying to compete at the fbs level, and they still have not totally recovered from that "fiasco". there's a reason no other hbcu has been "stupid" enough to make the same mistake that famu made... Famu made history. You know what us "Youngins" are doing? Learning from it.... Glad A&T is positioning themselves now for more than just a leap of faith to get there. Famu tried it....A&T is trying to strengthen the HBCU brand by showing we're more than capable of being elite against EVERYONE routinely. We've proven ourselves against HBCUs as 3 peat mythical HBCU national champs. We've beaten lower level FBS schools and the OVC Champ with an HBCU athletic budget. How else do you level up? Should we just continue winning the MEAC and celebration bowl until SC State takes back over? What is your long term goal for Aggie Athletics? What is your sustainability plan to keep us relevant in this ever changing environment? Dr. Martin has grown our University past any of our dreams. Yet a change in athletic conference means doom and time to go a different route? I assume you're being facetious but sheesh lol. Enrollment is up, sponsorships are up, research funding is up, the campus is expanding in every way possible, endowment is up and the overall expectations of our University from everyone is up as a whole. Put your emotions in park and use your logic. You're a brilliant individual. You're logical points are spot on, your emotional stuff gets fuzzy... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 26, 2020 12:27:29 GMT -5
unless a&t acquires a permanent "billionaire" football program donor, if dr. martin attempts to move a&t to the fbs level, i'll be the first to start a petition for dr. martin to be terminated as our chancellor. without a permanent "billionaire" football program donor or equivalent, there is no way whatsoever that a&t can survive (much less remain competitive) at the fbs level. it is literally "ridiculous" to think that an hbcu that cannot even advance beyond the 1st round of the fcs playoffs will somehow be competitive at the fbs level. just doesn't make any sense! especially considering that we don't come remotely close to having enough "funding" to compete at the fbs level. folk need to learn from their "history". famu "barely" lasted 1 year at the fbs level before they "tucked tail" and hauled azz back to the fcs level. but not before they got hit with "multiple" ncaa violations as a result of that move and also incurred a "ton" of depth trying to compete at the fbs level, and they still have not totally recovered from that "fiasco". there's a reason no other hbcu has been "stupid" enough to make the same mistake that famu made... Famu made history. You know what us "Youngins" are doing? Learning from it.... Glad A&T is positioning themselves now for more than just a leap of faith to get there. Famu tried it....A&T is trying to strengthen the HBCU brand by showing we're more than capable of being elite against EVERYONE routinely. We've proven ourselves against HBCUs as 3 peat mythical HBCU national champs. We've beaten lower level FBS schools and the OVC Champ with an HBCU athletic budget. How else do you level up? Should we just continue winning the MEAC and celebration bowl until SC State takes back over? What is your long term goal for Aggie Athletics? What is your sustainability plan to keep us relevant in this ever changing environment? Dr. Martin has grown our University past any of our dreams. Yet a change in athletic conference means doom and time to go a different route? I assume you're being facetious but sheesh lol. Enrollment is up, sponsorships are up, research funding is up, the campus is expanding in every way possible, endowment is up and the overall expectations of our University from everyone is up as a whole. Put your emotions in park and use your logic. You're a brilliant individual. You're logical points are spot on, your emotional stuff gets fuzzy... notice that nowhere in your entire post did you say anything about how much "funding" it would take to be competitive at the fbs level. and "PLEASE", let's stop acting like our wins over kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu were wins over fbs teams that had "RESPECTABLE RECORDS". hail, if all we'd have to compete against at the fbs level are teams that only win 2 games or less like kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu when we played them, i'd sing a different tune. success at the fbs/bcs level is primarily predicated on "funding". when a&t has funding that's on the level of bcs schools, then and only then we can have a conversation about going fbs... |
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Post by lobengula on Sept 26, 2020 16:12:24 GMT -5
Famu made history. You know what us "Youngins" are doing? Learning from it.... Glad A&T is positioning themselves now for more than just a leap of faith to get there. Famu tried it....A&T is trying to strengthen the HBCU brand by showing we're more than capable of being elite against EVERYONE routinely. We've proven ourselves against HBCUs as 3 peat mythical HBCU national champs. We've beaten lower level FBS schools and the OVC Champ with an HBCU athletic budget. How else do you level up? Should we just continue winning the MEAC and celebration bowl until SC State takes back over? What is your long term goal for Aggie Athletics? What is your sustainability plan to keep us relevant in this ever changing environment? Dr. Martin has grown our University past any of our dreams. Yet a change in athletic conference means doom and time to go a different route? I assume you're being facetious but sheesh lol. Enrollment is up, sponsorships are up, research funding is up, the campus is expanding in every way possible, endowment is up and the overall expectations of our University from everyone is up as a whole. Put your emotions in park and use your logic. You're a brilliant individual. You're logical points are spot on, your emotional stuff gets fuzzy... notice that nowhere in your entire post did you say anything about how much "funding" it would take to be competitive at the fbs level. and "PLEASE", let's stop acting like our wins over kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu were wins over fbs teams that had "RESPECTABLE RECORDS". hail, if all we'd have to compete against at the fbs level are teams that only win 2 games or less like kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu when we played them, i'd sing a different tune. success at the fbs/bcs level is primarily predicated on "funding". when a&t has funding that's on the level of bcs schools, then and only then we can have a conversation about going fbs... Actually in terms of funding I would think that 20 million $ would have to be a starting point to be realistic. this would also require an indoor facility that would be multi usable namely The Thomas B. Bynum Indoor Sports Facility. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 26, 2020 16:35:13 GMT -5
notice that nowhere in your entire post did you say anything about how much "funding" it would take to be competitive at the fbs level. and "PLEASE", let's stop acting like our wins over kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu were wins over fbs teams that had "RESPECTABLE RECORDS". hail, if all we'd have to compete against at the fbs level are teams that only win 2 games or less like kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu when we played them, i'd sing a different tune. success at the fbs/bcs level is primarily predicated on "funding". when a&t has funding that's on the level of bcs schools, then and only then we can have a conversation about going fbs... Actually in terms of funding I would think that 20 million $ would have to be a starting point to be realistic. this would also require an indoor facility that would be multi usable namely The Thomas B. Bynum Indoor Sports Facility. man, we can't even keep our "grass" green. yet you got folk advocating to go fbs... |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Sept 26, 2020 17:02:24 GMT -5
OSA deserves a mic drop after that one.....  |
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Post by outsidethinker on Sept 26, 2020 20:09:20 GMT -5
Actually in terms of funding I would think that 20 million $ would have to be a starting point to be realistic. this would also require an indoor facility that would be multi usable namely The Thomas B. Bynum Indoor Sports Facility. man, we can't even keep our "grass" green. yet you got folk advocating to go fbs... I agree with the green grass statement lol Digressing, you have to set a goal and plan accordingly to reach it. We've exceeded most goals that have been set thus far financially. None of us expects to go FBS tomorrow but I'm glad conversations are atleast being entertained for the future. How can you play down beating FBS PWIs with crummy records while praising beating HBCUs with the same if not worse records? Anything is possible except for field turf and new stadium fencing. |
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Post by aggierattler on Sept 27, 2020 9:42:07 GMT -5
Famu made history. You know what us "Youngins" are doing? Learning from it.... Glad A&T is positioning themselves now for more than just a leap of faith to get there. Famu tried it....A&T is trying to strengthen the HBCU brand by showing we're more than capable of being elite against EVERYONE routinely. We've proven ourselves against HBCUs as 3 peat mythical HBCU national champs. We've beaten lower level FBS schools and the OVC Champ with an HBCU athletic budget. How else do you level up? Should we just continue winning the MEAC and celebration bowl until SC State takes back over? What is your long term goal for Aggie Athletics? What is your sustainability plan to keep us relevant in this ever changing environment? Dr. Martin has grown our University past any of our dreams. Yet a change in athletic conference means doom and time to go a different route? I assume you're being facetious but sheesh lol. Enrollment is up, sponsorships are up, research funding is up, the campus is expanding in every way possible, endowment is up and the overall expectations of our University from everyone is up as a whole. Put your emotions in park and use your logic. You're a brilliant individual. You're logical points are spot on, your emotional stuff gets fuzzy... notice that nowhere in your entire post did you say anything about how much "funding" it would take to be competitive at the fbs level. and "PLEASE", let's stop acting like our wins over kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu were wins over fbs teams that had "RESPECTABLE RECORDS". hail, if all we'd have to compete against at the fbs level are teams that only win 2 games or less like kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu when we played them, i'd sing a different tune. success at the fbs/bcs level is primarily predicated on "funding". when a&t has funding that's on the level of bcs schools, then and only then we can have a conversation about going fbs...
Personally, I believe that we can do this, but we'll still need continued great leadership and a solid, long-term strategic plan that is flexible enough to make adjustments when the powers-that-be move the goalposts, as they tend to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 12:18:25 GMT -5
notice that nowhere in your entire post did you say anything about how much "funding" it would take to be competitive at the fbs level. and "PLEASE", let's stop acting like our wins over kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu were wins over fbs teams that had "RESPECTABLE RECORDS". hail, if all we'd have to compete against at the fbs level are teams that only win 2 games or less like kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu when we played them, i'd sing a different tune. success at the fbs/bcs level is primarily predicated on "funding". when a&t has funding that's on the level of bcs schools, then and only then we can have a conversation about going fbs... Actually in terms of funding I would think that 20 million $ would have to be a starting point to be realistic. this would also require an indoor facility that would be multi usable namely The Thomas B. Bynum Indoor Sports Facility. That $20 million is actually a targeted goal for Athletics. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 27, 2020 12:53:28 GMT -5
notice that nowhere in your entire post did you say anything about how much "funding" it would take to be competitive at the fbs level. and "PLEASE", let's stop acting like our wins over kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu were wins over fbs teams that had "RESPECTABLE RECORDS". hail, if all we'd have to compete against at the fbs level are teams that only win 2 games or less like kent state, unc charlotte, and ecu when we played them, i'd sing a different tune. success at the fbs/bcs level is primarily predicated on "funding". when a&t has funding that's on the level of bcs schools, then and only then we can have a conversation about going fbs...
Personally, I believe that we can do this, but we'll still need continued great leadership and a solid, long-term strategic plan that is flexible enough to make adjustments when the powers-that-be move the goalposts, as they tend to do.yeah and some of the same folk who have previously advocated that a&t move down to the d2 level are now advocating that a&t move up to the fbs level. so who cares what folk said back in the 70's? besides, i wasn't one of them... |
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Sept 27, 2020 16:27:12 GMT -5
No one knows what the future holds; however, if Martin and Hilton made that move then that means we are prepared and ready. Those 2 don’t make rushed, dumb, or ill advised decisions.
I think it is a goal but it want come to fruition unless we have the resources in place.
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 27, 2020 17:13:05 GMT -5
Best believe there is a concerted effort to lay the foundation to make this a reality. It doesn’t appear FAMU had or implement a sound plan, they only made a rushed decision based on projections not on endowed or in-hand athletic restricted funds. Though FAMU’s attempt is a data point, any direct comparison would be absurd.
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Post by aggierattler on Sept 27, 2020 20:33:25 GMT -5
Best believe there is a concerted effort to lay the foundation to make this a reality. It doesn’t appear FAMU had or implement a sound plan, they only made a rushed decision based on projections not on endowed or in-hand athletic restricted funds. Though FAMU’s attempt is a data point, any direct comparison would be absurd.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Sept 27, 2020 23:06:01 GMT -5
Best believe there is a concerted effort to lay the foundation to make this a reality. It doesn’t appear FAMU had or implement a sound plan, they only made a rushed decision based on projections not on endowed or in-hand athletic restricted funds. Though FAMU’s attempt is a data point, any direct comparison would be absurd.
If I recall, famu petitioned the ncaa for the move to D1-A based on a so-called TV contract with some woman's company out of New York. This plan was to generate enough revenue to support famu's move. However, there was a misunderstanding between the two incompetent entities, famu and the NY company that was to generate the revenue to support this ambitious plan through national TV. The plan allowed famu to talk down to its former conference members by telling them and the MEAC to kiss their hind parts because they were leaving. They had an ambitious schedule, which included the likes of Oklahoma and others, only to find out that their deal with the NY company was as weak as a wet paper towel. The whole idea fell apart and the major schools dropped famu from their schedule. As a result, they had to beg their way back into the MEAC. The story goes somewhat like that. |
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Post by Maxell on Sept 28, 2020 0:02:52 GMT -5
FAMU had no viable strategic plan back in the early 2000s when they made that failed attempt at moving up to FBS.
If I recall, famu petitioned the ncaa for the move to D1-A based on a so-called TV contract with some woman's company out of New York. This plan was to generate enough revenue to support famu's move. However, there was a misunderstanding between the two incompetent entities, famu and the NY company that was to generate the revenue to support this ambitious plan through national TV. The plan allowed famu to talk down to its former conference members by telling them and the MEAC to kiss their hind parts because they were leaving. They had an ambitious schedule, which included the likes of Oklahoma and others, only to find out that their deal with the NY company was as weak as a wet paper towel. The whole idea fell apart and the major schools dropped famu from their schedule. As a result, they had to beg their way back into the MEAC. The story goes somewhat like that. Yeah, I forgot about TV fiasco. |
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