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Post by The Professor on Jul 11, 2012 15:43:27 GMT -5
Marketting Dooms, marketting. Elon football is more visible over the last few years. More people care about Elon football than previously. I still believe this game has too much potential. In 2006: Elon 45-0 - We finished the season 0-11; attendance (2,768) was poor because we sucked - this game was the 2nd to last game of the year. Neither Phoenix nor Aggies showed up for that crap in Greensboro. In 2005: Elon won 12-9. 9,250 folks were at Alumni Stadium . The game was earlier in the year, where both teams had not revealed themselves yet as to how good/bad they would be. We finished the season 3-8. We entered that game 1-2. In 2004: A&T won in Greensboro 19-17. 8,250 fans saw this game. Folks are clamoring about where are the Phoenix fans - where were the Aggie fans? In 2003: A&T beat Elon 29-14 in front of 10,250 fans. Aggies were in there deep. We finished that year 10-3. I think Aggies are as much to blame for poor showings at Aggie Stadium than the Phoenix fans. Furthermore, our football has been extremely miserable to where no excitement could realistically be generated from an Aggie-Elon game. A&T is better. Elon is better. Both programs appear to be much healthier and have a greater foothold in the local area vs just 7-10 years ago. This game has much more potential than an Aggie/SWAC, Aggie/Tenn St, Aggie/VUL matchup. Broadway has generated enough enthusiasm to where more Aggies will show to our own home games - again; you cannot rely upon another school to boost you financially. It's a losing proposition.... Marketing..... You wanna talk about Marketing. We are a top 15 FCS school in attendance very year and we can't even fill up scoreboard panels. But somehow you think we can consistly put 15 plus in Aggie Stadium.... Please Explain
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Post by The Professor on Jul 11, 2012 16:04:05 GMT -5
I think you have to look at the AD's and Broadway's philosphy of scheduling. To me it seems they're not concerned with traditional rivaries of the past or HBCUs/PWC that travel right now. They're more concerned with winning. If cup-cakes will lead to that then so be it. Another thought is that they may feel that it is necessary to build the program up to a point where they have players strong at every position, and a team that's competitive every time they take the field. It's obvious that the AD wants to play D1 schools for a big payday. That will offset monies not made due to playing cup-cakes. I wouldn't rule out WSSU being on the schedule in the near future. I think they were just waiting to build up the program to be more competitive. I think Hilton and Broadway are smart to focus on building a winning program first. Winning will cure a lot of our ills. If they build a powerhouse program, we can stop worrying about "money" games because more of our fans will fill up the stands. We've given "losing" a try for almost 10 years and I'm ready to try "winning" for a change. I believe "if you win, they will come." So let's let Hilton and Broadway try it their way until we are 8-2 or 9-1, then we can start debating who should be on our schedule. ;D Is it really winning when your beating up on teams you have no business losing to ( or playing in my opinion ) in the 1st place
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Post by DECKS on Jul 11, 2012 16:59:05 GMT -5
You guys need to put your AD cap on when talking about non-conference games. You have to consider budget vs. return(strength of schedule). These are the only teams that make sense if we are not doing a FBS money game or paying a cupcake like VUL to come in for about $15,000 or a "Classic". They all work better than a SWAC matchup in terms of money because of the travel time for the return game. They are also better for strength of schedule because they come from a automatic playoff birth conference. In no particular order: ELON App UNCC Gardner Webb Wofford Coastal Carolina Liberty VMI ***WSSU(asterik for obvious reason of being div2) Its going to be a long season with 12 games. We already have some decent travel within the conference. Might as well make the non-conference schedule a little less grueling and softer on the pocket. A SWAC rivalry will never stand the test of time. So why go through the headache for nothing? Might as well stay home and maybe UNCC, Elon, App, or whomever will be a satisfying opponent for years to come. Why do we care about Stength of Schedule when we are going to be banned again from Postseason play More than likely it won't matter but it could affect the rest of the conference, especially our playoff representative.
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Post by The Professor on Jul 11, 2012 17:14:20 GMT -5
Why do we care about Stength of Schedule when we are going to be banned again from Postseason play More than likely it won't matter but it could affect the rest of the conference, especially our playoff representative. And the last time a MEAC team won a playoff game was............... Exactly so it don't matter about the conference. A&T needs to look after A&T
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Post by saabman on Jul 11, 2012 18:11:19 GMT -5
I think that everyone on here knows what we have to do> Are should know? It entails going back to A&T's HBCU/CIAA roots. Dooms made a good point! If you can make money and pack a stadium with in state HBCU's/CIAA teams why waist you time with teams like Elon! This young culture of students have no Idea about most of the HBCU's other then what they read in Jet are Ebony. A&T should make a schedule and call it the History Lesson are Back in the day are something> Their is nothing wrong with re-establish our relationship with old instate rivals like ECSU, WSSU and other HBCU schools out of state also! Also as AGGIEMANiac704 stated "when it comes to HBCU's......a good band matchup WILL have folk traveling....". I know that the so called WINE AND CHEESE people may not like this Idea and also the one's that look down on the CIAA schools. But I see money too be made if it's put together right!!
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Post by DECKS on Jul 11, 2012 18:56:54 GMT -5
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Jul 11, 2012 19:23:41 GMT -5
I think the fact that they weren't bringing fans to our stadium while we were helping them set attendance records was also a strong consideration. 4XL could answer that question. Both of you are correct.
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Post by saabman on Jul 11, 2012 19:54:02 GMT -5
The point is still being missed!!! Their are other teams that will draw a crowd other then WSSU! As I can remember ECSU always had a lot of fans when they played at A&T. Va Union and Va State have a good following also. I'm not pushing the HBCU schools but if we can make more and pay-less to play them why not? It's not like we are taking a step backwards by playing a CIAA school and making a killing??
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 12, 2012 7:46:58 GMT -5
The point is still being missed!!! Their are other teams that will draw a crowd other then WSSU! As I can remember ECSU always had a lot of fans when they played at A&T. Va Union and Va State have a good following also. I'm not pushing the HBCU schools but if we can make more and pay-less to play them why not? It's not like we are taking a step backwards by playing a CIAA school and making a killing?? Aint NOOOO CIAA school filling up Aggie stadium like WSSU. So you can kill that talk. With that being said, $15-$20K for another CIAA school vs. more than $50K for WSSU. And thats what they turned down, so I'm assuming Wild Bill wants a home and home or at least $70K+. The decision is simple when you break it down like that. I would be playing Fayetteville St, Shaw, etc, etc. until WSSU came to their senses. A school like Shaw, St Aug, or FSU would gladly take that $20K every year.
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Post by Gator on Jul 12, 2012 9:56:59 GMT -5
Aggie Monster,
I think we may want to reconsider those figures, the Gamezone concept was not in place the last time we played WSSU.
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Post by saabman on Jul 12, 2012 10:55:50 GMT -5
The point is still being missed!!! Their are other teams that will draw a crowd other then WSSU! As I can remember ECSU always had a lot of fans when they played at A&T. Va Union and Va State have a good following also. I'm not pushing the HBCU schools but if we can make more and pay-less to play them why not? It's not like we are taking a step backwards by playing a CIAA school and making a killing?? Aint NOOOO CIAA school filling up Aggie stadium like WSSU. So you can kill that talk. With that being said, $15-$20K for another CIAA school vs. more than $50K for WSSU. And thats what they turned down, so I'm assuming Wild Bill wants a home and home or at least $70K+. The decision is simple when you break it down like that. I would be playing Fayetteville St, Shaw, etc, etc. until WSSU came to their senses. A school like Shaw, St Aug, or FSU would gladly take that $20K every year. AM: It would be interesting to see what the other CIAA schools could do when given the chance
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 12, 2012 13:02:31 GMT -5
Aggie Monster, I think we may want to reconsider those figures, the Gamezone concept was not in place the last time we played WSSU. What figures? 4XL said we offered $50K to WSSU and we paid JCSU $15K. Not sure what figures you mean? I'm also not sure what the gamezone has to do with it. A sellout is a sellout. Gamezone or not.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 12, 2012 14:21:33 GMT -5
i agree that no other ciaa school will pack aggie stadium like wssu does. but i think most local aggie supporters have an interest in most ciaa schools, more so than maybe elon or western carolina. i think bringing a virginia state or ecsu to aggie stadium would be more attractive to local supporters than elon or western carolina...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 12, 2012 15:01:33 GMT -5
i agree that no other ciaa school will pack aggie stadium like wssu does. but i think most local aggie supporters have an interest in most ciaa schools, more so than maybe elon or western carolina. i think bringing a virginia state or ecsu to aggie stadium would be more attractive to local supporters than elon or western carolina... I dont disagree, but we are talking about the ENTIRE schedule, not just a one game thing here. Once we get eligibility back it will only be room for ONE div2 school. With 12 games maybe the "Only 1 div2 school" rule will move to 2 maximum. Elon is not in the same conversation with WSSU or the rest of the CIAA. They are only in the conversation in terms of who the other 3 non-conference games should be against when we can play 12 games. Thats why the App, Elon's, Coastals, and Western's are in the conversation because to stay black we would have to go SWAC, LOL. So with 4 non-conference games what would some of you suggest? That we play a CIAA game and 3 SWAC opponents(assuming we dont get a money game)? Not that its anything wrong with 3 SWAC games, but I'm just saying. 1 CIAA, 2 SWAC, and 1 SOCON/Big South seems more feasible to pull off.
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Post by Gator on Jul 12, 2012 15:45:49 GMT -5
When we played NCCU this year it wasn't a sellout. Obviously, the gamezone and the cost of games now are having an impact on opposing team fans.
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