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Post by Gator on Jul 11, 2012 8:33:28 GMT -5
I think you have to look at the AD's and Broadway's philosphy of scheduling. To me it seems they're not concerned with traditional rivaries of the past or HBCUs/PWC that travel right now. They're more concerned with winning. If cup-cakes will lead to that then so be it.
Another thought is that they may feel that it is necessary to build the program up to a point where they have players strong at every position, and a team that's competitive every time they take the field. It's obvious that the AD wants to play D1 schools for a big payday. That will offset monies not made due to playing cup-cakes. I wouldn't rule out WSSU being on the schedule in the near future. I think they were just waiting to build up the program to be more competitive.
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Post by aggierattler on Jul 11, 2012 8:36:12 GMT -5
Y'all keep missing my main point. My main point is that we are donating to other teams' programs because we are filling up their stadiums.... ... Aggierattler can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe up until they were caught beating people to death, the Marching hunned CHARGED the opposing team for them to show up at away games. If playing us is going to get you one of your top gates, we need to reap a lot of those benefits for ourselves. Or else like I said before, we should just donate directly to our opponents' athletic departments... ...We just don't need to be supplementing other teams' athletic budgets without thinking about our own. You are correct...that applied to some schools. The Marching 100 travels out of FAMU's athletic budget, and it costs us (in athletics) about $165,000 to move and house that damn band. They used 9 buses and about 220 hotel rooms on road trips (fortunately, they used their own budget for meals). For decades, they have had agreements with Bethune-Cookman, South Carolina State, Southern and Tennessee State to always bring The Hundred on road trips and, in turn, those bands would come to Tallahassee for football games. For all other games, if the Marching 100 was requested by the home team, we required a supplement to help with this expense, which was about $40,000 for MEAC schools and around $100,000 for all other schools. And that's why the band rarely travels to Norfolk State, Hampton, Morgan State, Howard or DelState. NCCU paid for FAMU to bring the band the last time. We paid for The Hundred to go to Savannah State last season. The University of Miami is paying FAMU Athletics $650,000 for our football series...$500,000 for the game itself and an additional $150,000 for the Marching 100. Oklahoma was to pay FAMU Athletics an additonal $175,000 for the band, but that has been cancelled since the band is suspended. The last time The Hundred came to Greensboro, though, I don't think that A&T paid anything because FAMU's football team asked the band to be there for support. Those schools that advertise and promote The Hundred coming to their games find that they easily make that money back. The University of South Florida paid FAMU $100,000 for the band and estimate that they doubled their investment.
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Post by aggierattler on Jul 11, 2012 8:44:05 GMT -5
Y'all keep missing my main point. My main point is that we are donating to other teams' programs because we are filling up their stadiums. I'm willing to bet money that any number of ADs in the mid-east region would love to have the Aggies on their schedule because they know we are going to give them tons of ticket and concessions sales. From a financial perspective we need to find the programs that are similar to ours in that regard, and stick to playing them. I fully agree it's our job to fill our stadium, but we have made a habit of filling everybody's dam stadium within five hours of Greensboro. We either need to see larger cuts of that cheese or we need to quit donating to their programs.Aggierattler can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe up until they were caught beating people to death, the Marching hunned CHARGED the opposing team for them to show up at away games. If playing us is going to get you one of your top gates, we need to reap a lot of those benefits for ourselves. Or else like I said before, we should just donate directly to our opponents' athletic departments. As much as I hate to only play hbcus, I know that when we played JSU the place was packed. Hel, when we played Jacksonville State people came out because they thought we were playing Jackson State. When we played Fayetteville State we had the same turnout that we had when we played Grambling. I wouldn't expect to see a lot of folks come out for UNCC, but I could be wrong. My thinking is if it's a program within four hours of us that has similar or better attendance numbers, they'll probably come to Greensboro. Also, if it's a storied hbcu that we don't play regularly, our folks will turn out to see. Thirdly, if it's a CIAA team with a relatively large following, they will definitely come. We just don't need to be supplementing other teams' athletic budgets without thinking about our own. Dooms I think guranteed payouts is now an expectation when we play away games vs other FCS in state programs. App State had to give us a $90k guarantee last season. But that wasn't a home-and-home contract, was it??
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 11, 2012 9:00:06 GMT -5
Dooms I think guranteed payouts is now an expectation when we play away games vs other FCS in state programs. App State had to give us a $90k guarantee last season. But that wasn't a home-and-home contract, was it?? Nope, thats why we got the 90K. Its not normal for schools to do a payout unless your paying a lesser division OR not doing a return game.
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Post by aggierattler on Jul 11, 2012 9:10:59 GMT -5
But that wasn't a home-and-home contract, was it?? Nope, thats why we got the 90K. Its not normal for schools to do a payout unless your paying a lesser division OR not doing a return game. AGGIE MONSTER, please read your reply again. It IS normal to give the visiting team a guarantee for football (and basketball) games...unless it is a home-and-home contract. There was NO WAY that Ayantee was going to play in Boone without a guarantee or a return game. (Actually, in re-reading both of our comments, I think that we are agreeing. ;D We both threw "double-negatives" in there.)
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Post by DECKS on Jul 11, 2012 9:11:18 GMT -5
And the sad thing is they really didn't need to. They're gonna sell a bunch of tix regardless. How much is Coastal giving us to sit in that lil azz stadium and sweat and buy soda? I don't know if we'll have any justification to ask for a guarantee. Looking on thier website Coastal averaged 8,431 in attendance in an 9112 seat stadium in 2011. With this being thier first home game they can probably sell out regardless of opponent.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jul 11, 2012 10:10:02 GMT -5
I think you have to look at the AD's and Broadway's philosphy of scheduling. To me it seems they're not concerned with traditional rivaries of the past or HBCUs/PWC that travel right now. They're more concerned with winning. If cup-cakes will lead to that then so be it. Another thought is that they may feel that it is necessary to build the program up to a point where they have players strong at every position, and a team that's competitive every time they take the field. It's obvious that the AD wants to play D1 schools for a big payday. That will offset monies not made due to playing cup-cakes. I wouldn't rule out WSSU being on the schedule in the near future. I think they were just waiting to build up the program to be more competitive. I think Hilton and Broadway are smart to focus on building a winning program first. Winning will cure a lot of our ills. If they build a powerhouse program, we can stop worrying about "money" games because more of our fans will fill up the stands. We've given "losing" a try for almost 10 years and I'm ready to try "winning" for a change. I believe "if you win, they will come." So let's let Hilton and Broadway try it their way until we are 8-2 or 9-1, then we can start debating who should be on our schedule. ;D
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Post by aggieblackie on Jul 11, 2012 12:07:15 GMT -5
Decks you are the main one that is keeping Elon's name alive on these post. If A&T ended the series to play WSSU that was smart. Playing the Rams meant more money.
Ain't nobody unfairly singling out Elon. A fact is a fact. They don't bring fans to our stadium for what ever reason and we fill theirs up. Enough is enough. Blank Elon!!
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 11, 2012 12:15:33 GMT -5
The problem is, not only do they not bring their fans, they don't bring our fans either. I kinda subscribe to the it's our job to fill our stadium theory, but if nobody wants to see us play your team, then maybe we don't need to play you.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 11, 2012 12:30:18 GMT -5
Non-conference scheduling for 2013 is easy as pie if you ask me. It cant do nothing but get better when you compare it to this coming year.
2013: FCS opponent, FCS HBCU, CIAA, BCS
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Post by DECKS on Jul 11, 2012 12:51:06 GMT -5
Decks you are the main one that is keeping Elon's name alive on these post. If A&T ended the series to play WSSU that was smart. Playing the Rams meant more money. Ain't nobody unfairly singling out Elon. A fact is a fact. They don't bring fans to our stadium for what ever reason and we fill theirs up. Enough is enough. Blank Elon!! I think you may be confusing my intention. All I did was try to provide clarity on why the series was ended along with rationale that no non-conference team outside of WSSU is likely to bring a large traveling base to Aggie Stadium.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 11, 2012 14:45:35 GMT -5
FYI, Decks your footer is old news, LOL. Put it back when he score more than once during a conference game in 2012!
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Post by aggie2ru on Jul 11, 2012 15:22:20 GMT -5
I think you have to look at the AD's and Broadway's philosphy of scheduling. To me it seems they're not concerned with traditional rivaries of the past or HBCUs/PWC that travel right now. They're more concerned with winning. If cup-cakes will lead to that then so be it. Another thought is that they may feel that it is necessary to build the program up to a point where they have players strong at every position, and a team that's competitive every time they take the field. It's obvious that the AD wants to play D1 schools for a big payday. That will offset monies not made due to playing cup-cakes. I wouldn't rule out WSSU being on the schedule in the near future. I think they were just waiting to build up the program to be more competitive. "I think they were just waiting to build up the program to be more competitive." Good point. I KNOW they were just waiting to build up the program to be more competitive before scheduling WSSU. I've known it since last year. Of course, there were other factors but I heard it straight from the "horses" (not horse) mouth about the competitive thing!
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Post by The Professor on Jul 11, 2012 15:38:45 GMT -5
You guys need to put your AD cap on when talking about non-conference games. You have to consider budget vs. return(strength of schedule). These are the only teams that make sense if we are not doing a FBS money game or paying a cupcake like VUL to come in for about $15,000 or a "Classic". They all work better than a SWAC matchup in terms of money because of the travel time for the return game. They are also better for strength of schedule because they come from a automatic playoff birth conference. In no particular order: ELON App UNCC Gardner Webb Wofford Coastal Carolina Liberty VMI ***WSSU(asterik for obvious reason of being div2) Its going to be a long season with 12 games. We already have some decent travel within the conference. Might as well make the non-conference schedule a little less grueling and softer on the pocket. A SWAC rivalry will never stand the test of time. So why go through the headache for nothing? Might as well stay home and maybe UNCC, Elon, App, or whomever will be a satisfying opponent for years to come. Why do we care about Stength of Schedule when we are going to be banned again from Postseason play
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Post by The Professor on Jul 11, 2012 15:40:30 GMT -5
^^^ That's true! And I would add Western Carolina and Tennessee State to that list. I would really love to see us re-establish our relationship with the TSU Big Blue Tigers in both football and basketball. The one that I don't like is Elon. I hate to admit it, but I agree with The Professor in that Elon really doesn't bring anything to the table for us. Like he said, we pack their place and then they bring a couple hundred folks to Aggie Stadium. I believe that WCU would bring just as many folks. (SC State found out the same thing in playing Wofford and Furman, as did FAMU in playing Georgia Southern...they don't bring a return in ticket revenue when you play them at home.) Lets not get stuck on how sorry other schools fans are. We have to do what's in our best interest. If Elon saves us money I would rather play them than go to Tenn State. It's not like they will pack the house on a return game either. Western definitely wont. The only thing Tenn State might do is bring the band and that has no effect on revenue. NOt to mention playing Elon gives fans another chance to see the team live. Who's going to Western? A decent opposing brings out more people than you think
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