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Post by aggierattler on Jul 10, 2012 17:22:20 GMT -5
^^^ That's true! And I would add Western Carolina and Tennessee State to that list. I would really love to see us re-establish our relationship with the TSU Big Blue Tigers in both football and basketball. The one that I don't like is Elon. I hate to admit it, but I agree with The Professor in that Elon really doesn't bring anything to the table for us. Like he said, we pack their place and then they bring a couple hundred folks to Aggie Stadium. I believe that WCU would bring just as many folks. (SC State found out the same thing in playing Wofford and Furman, as did FAMU in playing Georgia Southern...they don't bring a return in ticket revenue when you play them at home.) Lets not get stuck on how sorry other schools fans are. We have to do what's in our best interest. If Elon saves us money I would rather play them than go to Tenn State. It's not like they will pack the house on a return game either. Western definitely wont. The only thing Tenn State might do is bring the band and that has no effect on revenue. NOt to mention playing Elon gives fans another chance to see the team live. Who's going to Western? What I am saying is that we have to lookout for our own interests, too. First of all, we should be selling out our stadium(s) on our own... but we're not. That's just the reality of the situation. When we get our football season ticket base up to 15,000 or so, then we can quit worrying about what opponents we bring in to Aggie Stadium. We are not there yet. But like DOOMS says in Reply #58, we have to be concerned about playing teams whose pockets we line with a couple of thousand paying fans, and then turn around and bring less than 250 folks to our place. As quiet as it's kept, I know that Southern Conference teams like Furman and Western Carolina aren't too keen on Elon coming to them for the same reasons...they bring very few fans. They would much rather play us or SC State. And I guarantee you that Furman would bring more fans to Aggie Stadium than Elon does.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 10, 2012 18:14:32 GMT -5
Yes, pursue UNCC. IMO, Elon has shown their hand and not worth any further investment (unless they guarantee ticket sales ;D). PS. AM, I was waiting on you to answer my questions before I answer yours. i thought your question was rhetorical, but OK. How much marketing are they buying for us to fill up their stadium?Dont care, shouldn't be our concern. We should only concern ourselves with how the matchup benefits us if we dont have better options. Do we? No one has said one that makes any sense. Sorry AggieRattler, but Furman? I seriously doubt it. But Furman was on my list. Even if they dont bring more it's not a dent in the budget to play them(only a 3.5 hr drive). I just dont think it would be "better". Especially long term. Why do we have to go "above and beyond" to get them to our place?Because we should. We should always try and maximize our attendance at home. Reaching out to the other university is common place. No matter who we play. Rivalries are for on the field, but behind the scenes the schools should work together. If we were a white school we would be called racist or booshie. I do like your idea though captaggie. Do a deal where both schools buy 1000 general admission tickets from each other during the contract signing. If they dont sell theirs then thats on them. Now that's a good solution. They would be more determined to promote the game then. 1000 tickets for a game 20 minutes away should not be a hard sell if they try. We would get a cool 20K whether they showed up or not. And if I were them i would take the deal cause A&T is bringing thousands to their stadium the next year.
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Post by saabman on Jul 10, 2012 21:03:17 GMT -5
Yes, pursue UNCC. IMO, Elon has shown their hand and not worth any further investment (unless they guarantee ticket sales ;D). PS. AM, I was waiting on you to answer my questions before I answer yours. i thought your question was rhetorical, but OK. How much marketing are they buying for us to fill up their stadium?Dont care, shouldn't be our concern. We should only concern ourselves with how the matchup benefits us if we dont have better options. Do we? No one has said one that makes any sense. Sorry AggieRattler, but Furman? I seriously doubt it. But Furman was on my list. Even if they dont bring more it's not a dent in the budget to play them(only a 3.5 hr drive). I just dont think it would be "better". Especially long term. Why do we have to go "above and beyond" to get them to our place?Because we should. We should always try and maximize our attendance at home. Reaching out to the other university is common place. No matter who we play. Rivalries are for on the field, but behind the scenes the schools should work together. If we were a white school we would be called racist or booshie. I do like your idea though captaggie. Do a deal where both schools buy 1000 general admission tickets from each other during the contract signing. If they don't sell theirs then that's on them. Now that's a good solution. They would be more determined to promote the game then. 1000 tickets for a game 20 minutes away should not be a hard sell if they try. We would get a cool 20K whether they showed up or not. And if I were them i would take the deal cause A&T is bringing thousands to their stadium the next year. AM : the NCAA wont allow contracts like that No Institution can inter into a prearranged contact based on ticket sells.Because of what you stated "If they don't sell theirs then that's on them" Good try Next ;D
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Post by aggieblackie on Jul 10, 2012 23:32:28 GMT -5
Man, please stop trying to make Elon a good team to play. They are not and never will be. Their fans despise or are afraid to come to our stadium. Why should we build their budget up with our monies and they don't return the favor. Coastal Carolina is in the same boat.
I believe App State would bring more fans to Aggie Stadium than any other team mentioned so far in previous post. Certain SWAC schools would be a good draw. However, ain't nobody going to the games unless we start winning.
Blank Elon and Coastal!!
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Post by KidHeartless on Jul 10, 2012 23:44:03 GMT -5
......I know some dont give 2 craps about bands when it comes to football.....but when it comes to HBCU's......a good band matchup WILL have folk travelin......last year when BCU came to town i met a couple of gentlemen from UAPB who made a trip to see the matchup. I know several aggies {myself included} that travel to the Jackson vs Southern game...just to see the bands go at it......it may not make a big difference...but 2 quality bands make a difference.....
...but all in all im for us beating any quality FCS opponent down
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Post by DECKS on Jul 11, 2012 0:04:45 GMT -5
Let's stop worrying about our opponent helping to fill our stadium. WSSU is the only non-conference HBCU or PWC that will bring a big crowd so let's stop unfairly singling out Elon. Hell, I doubt if they travel in large numbers anywhere.
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Post by bluehaze on Jul 11, 2012 7:06:24 GMT -5
I agree that we don't need to worry about what how many fans come from the opposing team. Having said that, FUGG Elon. They don't want to play us and they look down at us. I don't want to play them in Spades. I'd rather have another bye week than to schedule them.
I don't have a problem playing Coastal, but I'd rather play home and home with TnSU before contacting Elon...
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 11, 2012 7:11:56 GMT -5
Y'all keep missing my main point. My main point is that we are donating to other teams' programs because we are filling up their stadiums.
I'm willing to bet money that any number of ADs in the mid-east region would love to have the Aggies on their schedule because they know we are going to give them tons of ticket and concessions sales.
From a financial perspective we need to find the programs that are similar to ours in that regard, and stick to playing them.
I fully agree it's our job to fill our stadium, but we have made a habit of filling everybody's dam stadium within five hours of Greensboro. We either need to see larger cuts of that cheese or we need to quit donating to their programs.
Aggierattler can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe up until they were caught beating people to death, the Marching hunned CHARGED the opposing team for them to show up at away games. If playing us is going to get you one of your top gates, we need to reap a lot of those benefits for ourselves. Or else like I said before, we should just donate directly to our opponents' athletic departments.
As much as I hate to only play hbcus, I know that when we played JSU the place was packed. Hel, when we played Jacksonville State people came out because they thought we were playing Jackson State. When we played Fayetteville State we had the same turnout that we had when we played Grambling. I wouldn't expect to see a lot of folks come out for UNCC, but I could be wrong.
My thinking is if it's a program within four hours of us that has similar or better attendance numbers, they'll probably come to Greensboro. Also, if it's a storied hbcu that we don't play regularly, our folks will turn out to see. Thirdly, if it's a CIAA team with a relatively large following, they will definitely come.
We just don't need to be supplementing other teams' athletic budgets without thinking about our own.
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Post by AggieGroove on Jul 11, 2012 7:24:05 GMT -5
Y'all keep missing my main point. My main point is that we are donating to other teams' programs because we are filling up their stadiums. I'm willing to bet money that any number of ADs in the mid-east region would love to have the Aggies on their schedule because they know we are going to give them tons of ticket and concessions sales. From a financial perspective we need to find the programs that are similar to ours in that regard, and stick to playing them. I fully agree it's our job to fill our stadium, but we have made a habit of filling everybody's dam stadium within five hours of Greensboro. We either need to see larger cuts of that cheese or we need to quit donating to their programs. Aggierattler can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe up until they were caught beating people to death, the Marching hunned CHARGED the opposing team for them to show up at away games. If playing us is going to get you one of your top gates, we need to reap a lot of those benefits for ourselves. Or else like I said before, we should just donate directly to our opponents' athletic departments. As much as I hate to only play hbcus, I know that when we played JSU the place was packed. Hel, when we played Jacksonville State people came out because they thought we were playing Jackson State. When we played Fayetteville State we had the same turnout that we had when we played Grambling. I wouldn't expect to see a lot of folks come out for UNCC, but I could be wrong. My thinking is if it's a program within four hours of us that has similar or better attendance numbers, they'll probably come to Greensboro. Also, if it's a storied hbcu that we don't play regularly, our folks will turn out to see. Thirdly, if it's a CIAA team with a relatively large following, they will definitely come. We just don't need to be supplementing other teams' athletic budgets without thinking about our own. So true!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 11, 2012 7:35:59 GMT -5
Honestly, we are debating something that everyone knows the answer to, but its not happening. Maybe it will and that will be the end of it, so hopefully it will get there next season. It just all leads back to us dropping VUL and West Virginia State(they have to drop one anyway once we get our eligibility back). The non-conference schedule should consist of: - WSSU or another CIAA team with a decent following, , .
- One FCS HBCU
- One white FCS team
- Try to pick up a BCS "money game" when they add the 12th game. If they cant manage that then go with another FCS opponent(doesn't matter who).
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Post by DECKS on Jul 11, 2012 8:06:52 GMT -5
I agree that we don't need to worry about what how many fans come from the opposing team. Having said that, FUGG Elon. They don't want to play us and they look down at us. I don't want to play them in Spades. I'd rather have another bye week than to schedule them. I don't have a problem playing Coastal, but I'd rather play home and home with TnSU before contacting Elon... If I'm not mistaken it was us who ended the series with Elon so we could add WSSU once they committed to FCS.
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 11, 2012 8:21:11 GMT -5
I think the fact that they weren't bringing fans to our stadium while we were helping them set attendance records was also a strong consideration. 4XL could answer that question.
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Post by DECKS on Jul 11, 2012 8:23:01 GMT -5
Y'all keep missing my main point. My main point is that we are donating to other teams' programs because we are filling up their stadiums. I'm willing to bet money that any number of ADs in the mid-east region would love to have the Aggies on their schedule because they know we are going to give them tons of ticket and concessions sales. From a financial perspective we need to find the programs that are similar to ours in that regard, and stick to playing them. I fully agree it's our job to fill our stadium, but we have made a habit of filling everybody's dam stadium within five hours of Greensboro. We either need to see larger cuts of that cheese or we need to quit donating to their programs.Aggierattler can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe up until they were caught beating people to death, the Marching hunned CHARGED the opposing team for them to show up at away games. If playing us is going to get you one of your top gates, we need to reap a lot of those benefits for ourselves. Or else like I said before, we should just donate directly to our opponents' athletic departments. As much as I hate to only play hbcus, I know that when we played JSU the place was packed. Hel, when we played Jacksonville State people came out because they thought we were playing Jackson State. When we played Fayetteville State we had the same turnout that we had when we played Grambling. I wouldn't expect to see a lot of folks come out for UNCC, but I could be wrong. My thinking is if it's a program within four hours of us that has similar or better attendance numbers, they'll probably come to Greensboro. Also, if it's a storied hbcu that we don't play regularly, our folks will turn out to see. Thirdly, if it's a CIAA team with a relatively large following, they will definitely come. We just don't need to be supplementing other teams' athletic budgets without thinking about our own. Dooms I think guranteed payouts is now an expectation when we play away games vs other FCS in state programs. App State had to give us a $90k guarantee last season.
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 11, 2012 8:26:51 GMT -5
And the sad thing is they really didn't need to. They're gonna sell a bunch of tix regardless. How much is Coastal giving us to sit in that lil azz stadium and sweat and buy soda?
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 11, 2012 8:32:28 GMT -5
And the sad thing is they really didn't need to. They're gonna sell a bunch of tix regardless. How much is Coastal giving us to sit in that lil azz stadium and sweat and buy soda? Yes they did. They didn't want to owe us a return game, so they decided to pay us. Coastal is game 2 of a home and home contract, so that's why no money was exchanged.
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