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Post by DOOMS on Sept 22, 2011 9:01:39 GMT -5
They have doubled their athletic revenue from when they were last in the CIAA, they don't need ticket sales to be in the black. Why do you think Connell's salary increased didn't receive any loud outcry and the BOT didn't even blink? Have you heard anything about that deficit since first reported? BTW, who was talking about the deficit? It’s amazing how things suddenly disappear when you get your way. All those angry WSSU Alums are dancing in the aisles. Go figure! Like OSA says we may have fan leverage, but like DOOMS says the longer we wait the more that diminishes. Wild Bill is probably driving around Winston now with a bull horn offering a two for one ticket with a fish sandwich deal. They already get better news print than us. Our fans don't even know we have a game Saturday. They need ticket sales and a lot more before they'll see black again. Most of thier fans actually think Chancellor Reeves is lying and there is no deficit so I'm not basing my statements on thier opinions. Instead I'm going off the state auditors report which I think was released around April of this year. At that time they didn't have a lot of solutions on how they were going to remedy the situation. They can pass on our offers but would it really be in thier best interest financially? What's in their best interest financially shouldn't matter to us. What's important is what's in our best interest financially. That being said, it's in our best interest asswhuppingly to steer clear of them. Most of their fans? You mean the four guys complaining on Onnidan? Hasn't hurt their attendance one iota. There's an article in the Winston paper on how they filled up the visitor side at their last game. Meanwhile, there's an article on ECU in the Greensboro paper.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Sept 22, 2011 9:16:48 GMT -5
I think Broadway will play them although he may have been opppsed to playing them this year. It would be tough to start out your Aggie coaching career losing to a smaller school that has dropped to D II status.
I think we will see them back on the schedule within two years. I dont blame Broadway, I would not play them this year either with our lack of depth and schollys. There is always risk in playing a lower Div school but the last thing you want to do is line up in front of them when your team is thin and you know you could be embarrased.
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 22, 2011 9:22:54 GMT -5
They need ticket sales and a lot more before they'll see black again. Most of thier fans actually think Chancellor Reeves is lying and there is no deficit so I'm not basing my statements on thier opinions. Instead I'm going off the state auditors report which I think was released around April of this year. At that time they didn't have a lot of solutions on how they were going to remedy the situation. They can pass on our offers but would it really be in thier best interest financially? It's not that he was lying. You might want to read the audit report again and see how the deficits were handled in the years they occurred. The lack of a plan going forward was based on the cost of staying D-I. It will be interesting to the see the 2011 audit report. Do think there will be a mention of an athletic deficit? Do you think their athletic budget (not revenue) is more than $3M?
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Post by aggiejazz on Sept 22, 2011 9:35:03 GMT -5
This year WSSU may be the best ticket in the region for black college football, especially if they keep putting up 50 and 60 points on their opponents. Check out their upcoming games, they are all interesting:
Sat 3 at Elizabeth City St. * Elizabeth City, NC W, 22-17 Final Boxscore Recap Photos
Sat 10 at Virginia Union * Richmond, VA W, 67-16 Final Boxscore Recap Photos
Sat 17 at Chowan * Murfreesboro, NC W, 55-24 Final Boxscore Recap Photos
Sat 24 FAYETTEVILLE ST. * Winston-Salem, NC 6:00 PM October Sat 1 JOHNSON C. SMITH * Winston-Salem, NC 1:30 PM Sat 8 at St. Augustine's * Raleigh, NC 1:30 PM Sat 15 at Livingstone * Salisbury, NC 6:00 PM Sat 22 EDWARD WATERS Winston-Salem, NC 1:30 PM Sat 29 SHAW * Winston-Salem, NC 1:30 PM November Sat 5 at UNC Pembroke 2:00 PM
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Post by aggiejazz on Sept 22, 2011 9:48:26 GMT -5
AD Hayes aka "Wild Bill" is going to make this into a Pacquiao vs Mayweather affair. He has WSSU, with his protege as headcoach, racking up wins with impressive blowouts. No doubt by the end of this season, there will be howls in NC black barbershops, beauty shops and churches to have A&T play WSSU next year. You better believe that the spin will be "A&T is running from WSSU" with half-hearted Aggies left by their lonesome to defend the Aggie Shield. Dr. Martin and Coach Broadway will have to stop going to their local barbershops by next spring after A&T football schedule come out if WSSU is not on it.
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Post by DECKS on Sept 22, 2011 10:02:46 GMT -5
They need ticket sales and a lot more before they'll see black again. Most of thier fans actually think Chancellor Reeves is lying and there is no deficit so I'm not basing my statements on thier opinions. Instead I'm going off the state auditors report which I think was released around April of this year. At that time they didn't have a lot of solutions on how they were going to remedy the situation. They can pass on our offers but would it really be in thier best interest financially? What's in their best interest financially shouldn't matter to us. What's important is what's in our best interest financially. That being said, it's in our best interest asswhuppingly to steer clear of them. Most of their fans? You mean the four guys complaining on Onnidan? Hasn't hurt their attendance one iota. There's an article in the Winston paper on how they filled up the visitor side at their last game. Meanwhile, there's an article on ECU in the Greensboro paper. I think it's always prudent to take into consideration the financial position of your opponent before negotiating a deal. Lol, the four guys on Onnidan plus quite a few other people including one alumni association officer(sister-in-law). I'm sure their attendance has improved and probably will continue to do very well as long as Maynor is there. Still the reality is their top game will probably be around 15,000. As I see it we don't have a lot of options right now but they have even fewer. I think a deal will get done when everyone looks at it rationally.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 22, 2011 10:21:41 GMT -5
i find it very "ironic" that some of the same folk who were so gunn hoe about the fan zone not allowing the so called "freeloading tailgaters" to socialize at a&t's expense for free, are some of the same folk who are willing to let wssu "pimp" a&t (at a&t's expense) just for the sake of playing a rivalry game.
they're willing to squeeze every nickel out of our community, but are unwilling to do the same to wssu. why? because they're willing to put self interests ahead of a&t's best interests. they're willing to turn our community away, but unwilling to turn wssu away. seems rather hypocritical to me...
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Post by DECKS on Sept 22, 2011 10:25:37 GMT -5
They need ticket sales and a lot more before they'll see black again. Most of thier fans actually think Chancellor Reeves is lying and there is no deficit so I'm not basing my statements on thier opinions. Instead I'm going off the state auditors report which I think was released around April of this year. At that time they didn't have a lot of solutions on how they were going to remedy the situation. They can pass on our offers but would it really be in thier best interest financially? It's not that he was lying. You might want to read the audit report again and see how the deficits were handled in the years they occurred. The lack of a plan going forward was based on the cost of staying D-I. It will be interesting to the see the 2011 audit report. Do think there will be a mention of an athletic deficit? Do you think their athletic budget (not revenue) is more than $3M? I absolutely do not believe he was lying and made a wise decision to move back to D-II. Without going back and looking through the audit report (cause I'm at work ;D) I suspected they just shifted monies from the academic side. I think they set their budget at 5 or 6M for the move up to D-I. I don't know how much it was adjusted for the move back to D-II.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 22, 2011 10:25:59 GMT -5
i'm done with this, no need to keep beating a deadhorse. ya'll believe whatever ya wanna believe... snickerDecks, them numbers you posted are one of the main problems with hbcus. They upped their budget to five or six milly to play in d-1 when that's actually a decent d-2 budget. Sheesh. Winston has to be our main rival. A six page thread and five of the pages is about why we shouldn't play them.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 22, 2011 11:26:31 GMT -5
i'm done with this, no need to keep beating a deadhorse. ya'll believe whatever ya wanna believe... snicker since when has it become law that a poster's intentions become "binding"? and, its even more intriguing, why anyone else would even care...
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 22, 2011 11:32:15 GMT -5
I may have misread other posts, but I haven't seen were anybody suggests that A&T not get the best deal that can be negotiated for us. Monster has requested multiple times for suggested replacement ideas for the short term, I may have missed them but I haven't seen any alternatives.
My point throughout the discussion has been if A&T takes a position of we have the greater leverage in the negotiations, then the game will not appear on the schedule. As I stated before there are other than financial factors that will keep this game of the schedule.
BTW, this is first I heard that we sent them a proposal. What were the terms? I was under the impression that there were only informal discussions.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 22, 2011 11:46:01 GMT -5
There was no way that game was going to happen this year. We had just jerked their coach (an alum of ours, btw) around and insulted him by "offering" him a three year contract. Then we turn around and give a lifetime contract for double the salary to Broadway?
Nobody with an ounce of blue and gold in 'em would want to see the result of that game. Especially considering it's a rivalry.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Sept 22, 2011 11:58:29 GMT -5
Broadway vs. Frazier .... Thats Primetime poster material if i ever seen it.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 22, 2011 12:23:44 GMT -5
i don't think wssu is as good as some build them up to be. i think virginia union and chowan are bad d2 teams. wssu "barely" got by ecsu this year, winning by only 5 points. they put up big numbers against vu and chowan last year too and still wound up losing to both shaw and st. aug.
it takes more than blowout wins over weak virginia union and chowan teams to impress me. and before someone rebuttals that vu beat st. aug this season, bare in mind they did it "literally" under hurricane conditions...
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Post by aggiejazz on Sept 22, 2011 13:13:01 GMT -5
i don't think wssu is as good as some build them up to be. i think virginia union and chowan are bad d2 teams. wssu "barely" got by ecsu this year, winning by only 5 points. they put up big numbers against vu and chowan last year too and still wound up losing to both shaw and st. aug. it takes more than blowout wins over weak virginia union and chowan teams to impress me. and before someone rebuttals that vu beat st. aug this season, bare in mind they did it "literally" under hurricane conditions... The ECSU vs WSSU: it was ECSU 2nd game and WSSU 1st game. ECSU should have beaten a D-II powerhouse the week before and let the game slip away in the last minute and OT.
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