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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 20, 2011 5:59:50 GMT -5
What it boils down to for me is that the schedule just doesn't feel right when WSSU or NCCU are missing from it. We should always play them in both football and basketball. Makes no sense not to.
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Post by aggie2ru on Sept 20, 2011 6:57:36 GMT -5
monster......u just said it!!!! We should always play them--they are rivalry and BIG money games!
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Post by Gator on Sept 20, 2011 7:45:26 GMT -5
Sometimes we have to embrace change! I'm sure WSSU will step it's game back up just like Central did.
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Post by jwill on Sept 20, 2011 8:01:20 GMT -5
I agree with monster, we should always play nccu and wssu that just makes too much sense not to , for $ and bragging rights and recuitment of both students and athletes from those areas and around the state. As for major rivals ,I agree with what has been stated but I just love beating both Morgan State and Bethune Cookman both long time meac foes.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 20, 2011 9:28:46 GMT -5
i agree it would be nice if we could play both wssu and nccu every year. but in football, we stand to lose a lot of money if we build our apr/scholarship count back up and don't play any money games. i dunno, maybe we can do both if our schedule allows it. but first things first, we have to build our apr/scholarship count back up.
also, i still don't feel we should agree to a "home-n-home", 50-50 split with wssu. i mean, we bring more fans to the table than wssu does. so in other words, wssu makes more money off of our fans than a&t makes off of wssu's fans. the "only" time wssu sells out bowman-gray is when they play us. that's because no other school brings more fans to bowman-gray than we do. wssu doesn't even sellout their own homecoming game.
so if we work out an agreement with wssu, at the end of the day, hilton needs to assure we get "at least" a 60-40 split in gross profits. its just business...
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Post by DECKS on Sept 20, 2011 9:43:28 GMT -5
We should always play NCCU & WSSU. With that said, I'm not in favor of a home and home or 50/50 split with WSSU. Now that they've moved to D-II their cost for sponsoring a football program is much lower than ours. I think we should offer them a flat $125,000 to play in Aggie Stadium every year.
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Post by captaggie on Sept 20, 2011 9:50:56 GMT -5
I think you are on target Decks. Its my belief we're not playing WSSU because they tried to take us to the bank.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 14:24:18 GMT -5
Or we tried to low ball 'em and Wild Bill dropped a few f-bombs on us before he declined the offer.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Sept 20, 2011 14:30:45 GMT -5
If we think we should always schedule WSSU and NCCU the right thing to do would be a home & home or 50/50 split. The rivalry has nothing to do with divisions so why draw the line there? Regardless of the division it costs the same to travel to either destination, which shouldnt be a factor either considering were all closer to each other than any school in either conference.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 20, 2011 14:35:05 GMT -5
If we think we should always schedule WSSU and NCCU the right thing to do would be a home & home or 50/50 split. The rivalry has nothing to do with divisions so why draw the line there? Regardless of the division it costs the same to travel to either destination, which shouldnt be a factor either considering were all closer to each other than any school in either conference. I agree with this. Unless a pay day is more important than the rivalry then let them make there money when we go to Bowman Grey. Stop trying to lowball them. We played VUL, APP, and Coastal this year. I would glady trade a home and home with WSSU instead of playing VUL or Coastal. App was a payday and we can keep that spot as a payday every year and still have room for WSSU. sheeet, we got room for 2 paydays and can still keep WSSU. We are losing NOTHING by playing at Bowman Gray. But losing everything the next year by not playing them at home. It bit us in the a$$ not having that Labor day game this year. Who we face, a no-name out of Virginia who we payed to come here and then only had about 11,000 at the game. Sure if we went to WSSU we would have made nothing, but at least you got around 22K fans to look forward to the next year.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Sept 20, 2011 14:41:26 GMT -5
We played VUL, APP, and Coastal this year. I would glady trade a home and home with WSSU instead of playing VUL or Coastal. Right... All of those games combined probably couldnt total the payout we would recieve playing either WSSU or NCCU. I hate always passing the blame on Athletics Admin, but it shouldnt take a Phd. to figure out these are the games we should be playing. When you think of North Carolina you should think UNC vs. Duke and NC A&T vs. Dem Chickens or Dem Sheep.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 20, 2011 14:53:29 GMT -5
We played VUL, APP, and Coastal this year. I would glady trade a home and home with WSSU instead of playing VUL or Coastal. Right... All of those games combined probably couldnt total the payout we would recieve playing either WSSU or NCCU. I hate always passing the blame on Athletics Admin, but it shouldnt take a Phd. to figure out these are the games we should be playing. When you think of North Carolina you should think UNC vs. Duke and NC A&T vs. Dem Chickens or Dem Sheep. I think Apps payout was pretty decent. But your right about the other 2.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 20, 2011 15:01:35 GMT -5
i think some of you are placing your "personal" desire of having fun (playing wssu) over what's financially fair to a&t. i guess getting "pimped" by wssu doesn't matter to ya'll.
let's put it this way. if you and your next door neighbor agreed to play a series of home-n-home one on one basketball games and whenever he visited your home court, he paid you $3. but whenever you visited his home court, you had to pay him $7. do you think that's fair?
well, that's the kind of deal we'd have with wssu if we agreed to a 50-50 split. i don't think you'd go for paying more to your next door neighbor than he pays you, its not fair. keep in mind that a&t only gets paid every two years by playing a home-n-home with wssu. a good businessman doesn't allow emotions to get in the way of making the best deal for his business.
a&t generates far more revenue for wssu than wssu generates for a&t. but despite that, ya'll say we should just eat the disparity in revenue generated so that our fans can get their rivalry on? if that's all that matters, i would agree. but that's not all that matters. we're in dire need of income. it would be business dumb not to leverage our strength in numbers. if wild bill wants to be subborn, then fine. but wssu stands to lose a lot more than we do if we don't play that game. no matter what hbcu they bring into bowman-gray, they'll never sell it out unless its a&t...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 20, 2011 15:13:59 GMT -5
I think your misunderstanding PART of what we are saying. Lets break this down. We sign a home and home with WSSU. (Using fake numbers) They bring in $400K for their home game. We spend travel money(which is basically just gas) going to Winston.
Next year we bring in $500K at Aggie Stadium. Over 2 years that's $250K.
Say we dont sign the home and home like we DID this year. VUL - We bring in about $100K. Attendance said 11,000, but students dont bring gate revenue and neither do season ticket holders.
Year2 - We still have no guaranteed big crowd. What do we do, bring in another VUL and/or Coastal so we can make another $100K?
Less or same money with no rivalry feel or fun(as you would call it).
Our point is you should only worry about yourself. Your comparison of paying the other person makes no sense cause you just keep your own gate. Aint nobody paying nobody.
Supposedly Coastal is returning the home and home from when we went to them 2 years ago. So whats that come up to? $50K over 2 years?
My point is we have no reason NOT to play them. Your trying to squeeze every penny out of the situation, so if you cant get EVERY penny you feel your deserved you will take less? MUCH less?
WSSU probably feels like A&T cant find another opponent that will fill Aggie Stadium like them(besides NCCU is TRUE), just like we feel like no one can fill Bowman Gray like us(which is also TRUE).
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 20, 2011 16:14:12 GMT -5
monster, i see your point. but i'm just speaking in business terms. you don't take a bad deal just because you'd still make money if you did. that sets a bad business precedent that says a&t is willing to be "pimped" because all they want is some money whether its fair or not fair. just make them any ole offer, they're too dumb to see they're not maximizing their business potential.
in business, sometimes you have to turn down a business proposition based on your business principles. if i'm a&t, i ain't signing no deal where i'm being taken advantage of financially. business is business. you give me a fair deal, then we can conduct business. if you don't give me a fair deal, then we can't conduct business. wssu could accept our proposition and still make more money than any other regular season game except maybe homecoming. so they're turning down money too by not accepting a fair offer. so who should give in? certainly not the party who has the most leverage, and that would be us.
monster, its all about leverage. why take a bad deal if its obvious that its a bad deal? i'm no different than ya'll, i'd luv to resume the wssu rivalry. but not if we've gotta be "pimped" in order to make that happen. i don't care if its a home-n-home agreement or whether all games are played at aggie stadium. as long as the terms of the contract are fair to a&t financially, then game on! if not, let's look at other options.
in the future, if all goes well, we can easily play an fbs money game and more than double our income compared to hosting wssu. plus, instead of making money on wssu every 2 years, we could play money games "every year" which means we'd make twice as much, twice as often. ching, ching! that's what several other meac schools are doing and they're getting paid big time...
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