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Post by DOOMS on Sept 21, 2011 15:08:15 GMT -5
So does the running from them make them even more of a rival?
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Post by DECKS on Sept 21, 2011 15:24:06 GMT -5
But keep in mind by going to D2 they probably cut $1M in expenses. Their student fees was like 80% of their revenue basis then. At $579 a student, that's almost $3M year. They can easily fund their entire athletic department on that. Tickets sales and donations are just icing. Like DOOMS said, the more I look at this the more it makes sense we don't play them anytime soon. I see less and less leverage for us to negotiate on. I think our leverage is actually greater now considering they no longer have us or NCCU on the schedule and they left D-I with a huge deficit in athletics. With no other money games besides homecoming and a crappy stadium deal they are in no position to hold out. Moving back to the CIAA has greatly reduced costs for them but they still have a $4 million dollar budget deficit to dig themselves out of.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 21, 2011 15:37:39 GMT -5
If they keep beating folks by 40 points a game I don't think that will be a problem for long.
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Post by DECKS on Sept 21, 2011 15:53:03 GMT -5
If they keep beating folks by 40 points a game I don't think that will be a problem for long. You might be right. Winning usually translates into higher attendance and additional sponsorships. Inexplicably, a lot of their fans are still ticked off about moving back to D-II which might affect attendance.
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 21, 2011 16:10:33 GMT -5
But keep in mind by going to D2 they probably cut $1M in expenses. Their student fees was like 80% of their revenue basis then. At $579 a student, that's almost $3M year. They can easily fund their entire athletic department on that. Tickets sales and donations are just icing. Like DOOMS said, the more I look at this the more it makes sense we don't play them anytime soon. I see less and less leverage for us to negotiate on. I think our leverage is actually greater now considering they no longer have us or NCCU on the schedule and they left D-I with a huge deficit in athletics. With no other money games besides homecoming and a crappy stadium deal they are in no position to hold out. Moving back to the CIAA has greatly reduced costs for them but they still have a $4 million dollar budget deficit to dig themselves out of. They have doubled their athletic revenue from when they were last in the CIAA, they don't need ticket sales to be in the black. Why do you think Connell's salary increased didn't receive any loud outcry and the BOT didn't even blink? Have you heard anything about that deficit since first reported? BTW, who was talking about the deficit? It’s amazing how things suddenly disappear when you get your way. All those angry WSSU Alums are dancing in the aisles. Go figure! Like OSA says we may have fan leverage, but like DOOMS says the longer we wait the more that diminishes. Wild Bill is probably driving around Winston now with a bull horn offering a two for one ticket with a fish sandwich deal. They already get better news print than us. Our fans don't even know we have a game Saturday.
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Post by saabman on Sept 21, 2011 17:38:52 GMT -5
Aggie77 the fans know that we have a game. Their ? is are we going to win?? JUST MAKE THE (D) GAME A Classic !!!! CALL IT I-40 THROW DOWN, ARE AIGGE RAM shoot out,Truck Pull are something. , , IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO PLAY THEM ANY MORE FINE I can live with that. But if the only Money games that we have are App state ,CCU and NCCU oh ya Homecoming that's cool to but it would be nice to have 5 money games! If I were Broadway I would play WSSU before the INK on the contact could DRY not just for the money, but to Gage my team and talent. Hell WSSU would contend for the MEAC Championship with the talent on their team and that's not counting the transfers and Red shirts. Hail ya we should play them . You don't get Fans or better by playing Cupcakes are Fish Sandwich teams. You get better by playing the best teams that are available and the Fans will come win or lose!! We have some Fans that are only with A&T when they win I don't count them as FANS AT ALL . Their is no Reason that A&T should not sell out all of their Home games No Reason.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 21, 2011 18:12:16 GMT -5
not sure why we are so concerned with what they make. As long as we make money why does it matter? Rhetorical...
Aint no way two "fish samich" team brings in more than playing Winston. If you think that you aint listened to nothing I said. This aint emotional at all. Its good business. Take the bigger money while you can. Bad business is playing teams that bring in 7000 paying fans each.
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Post by Maxell on Sept 21, 2011 18:29:56 GMT -5
Their is no Reason that A&T should not sell out all of their Home games No Reason. Yep. There is a reason. At A&T, each game has to feel like you are at "the club". For Homecoming, WSSU, NCCU it does. Winning alone will not sellout every game because most of our fans are female. We can be undefeated and not sellout Coastal Carolina. Remember when Corbett felt like "the club"? It was packed and we were winning very few games. When you combine winning and an atmosphere of food,entertainment and "scenery ", you'll get your sellout. As quiet as it's kept, selling beer at the game would also help revenues and the atmosphere.
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Post by DECKS on Sept 21, 2011 21:36:13 GMT -5
not sure why we are so concerned with what they make. As long as we make money why does it matter? Rhetorical... Aint no way two "fish samich" team brings in more than playing Winston. If you think that you aint listened to nothing I said. This aint emotional at all. Its good business. Take the bigger money while you can. Bad business is playing teams that bring in 7000 paying fans each. In business you have to consider all payouts, otherwise you risk undervaluing your product or service. I'm sorry but it is emotional decision making when you're willing to settle for short term gratification at the expense of larger payoffs in future years. All because this is how we did it in the past ? You can't settle for the same ol set up when you have the opportunity to earn more. Seriously, how many FCS teams have a straight up home and home arrangement with a D-II counterpart? I don't know for sure but my guess is we'd be the only ones if we made such a deal with WSSU. The industry standard has been set so why not use it to our advantage? We should absolutely be following the VSU-NSU model.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 6:44:02 GMT -5
Or following the West Chester vs. Delaware model.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 22, 2011 6:51:51 GMT -5
How big are the stadiums at VSU and Westchester?
Hear me now and believe me later, if they had 20,000 seat stadiums, wouldn't be no going to visit the opposition every year. Y'all know that, I don't even know why you would post it.
But it just shows how much of a rival Winston is. They are such a great rival we'd rather take in less money over two years playing startups than let them sniff even a little money. This shows they might be our greatest football rival. What other team do we play that we worry about how much money they will make?
Not to mention, it's common knowledge big money Broadway does not like to play heavyweights. Plus, their AD was our greatest coach and is in our hall of fame, and their coach was one of the best qbs in school history. What a rivalry!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 22, 2011 7:08:13 GMT -5
I still haven't heard a better short term solution.
Like Dooms said. The teams you're comparing our home and home with have very lopsided seating capacities. VSU (13000) and NSU(over 20).
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 22, 2011 8:04:21 GMT -5
The more I read, the I more wonder who is basing their position on business facts and who is basing theirs on emotional pride?
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 22, 2011 8:12:57 GMT -5
They already get better news print than us. Our fans don't even know we have a game Saturday. Aggie77 the fans know that we have a game. Their ? is are we going to win?? I think you missed the point. Not from reading the city newspapers they don't. Belieive it or not this develops interest and sells tickets. www2.journalnow.com/sports/college/teams/wssu/
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Post by DECKS on Sept 22, 2011 8:51:40 GMT -5
I think our leverage is actually greater now considering they no longer have us or NCCU on the schedule and they left D-I with a huge deficit in athletics. With no other money games besides homecoming and a crappy stadium deal they are in no position to hold out. Moving back to the CIAA has greatly reduced costs for them but they still have a $4 million dollar budget deficit to dig themselves out of. They have doubled their athletic revenue from when they were last in the CIAA, they don't need ticket sales to be in the black. Why do you think Connell's salary increased didn't receive any loud outcry and the BOT didn't even blink? Have you heard anything about that deficit since first reported? BTW, who was talking about the deficit? It’s amazing how things suddenly disappear when you get your way. All those angry WSSU Alums are dancing in the aisles. Go figure! Like OSA says we may have fan leverage, but like DOOMS says the longer we wait the more that diminishes. Wild Bill is probably driving around Winston now with a bull horn offering a two for one ticket with a fish sandwich deal. They already get better news print than us. Our fans don't even know we have a game Saturday. They need ticket sales and a lot more before they'll see black again. Most of thier fans actually think Chancellor Reeves is lying and there is no deficit so I'm not basing my statements on thier opinions. Instead I'm going off the state auditors report which I think was released around April of this year. At that time they didn't have a lot of solutions on how they were going to remedy the situation. They can pass on our offers but would it really be in thier best interest financially?
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