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Post by DECKS on Sept 20, 2011 17:09:18 GMT -5
We should not split with WSSU. Consider these points:
*The avg. salary cost for an FCS coaching staff is higher than for D-II. WSSU pays Maynor $160,000 and we pay Broadway $235,000. Overall there's probably at least a $250,00 gap in what we pay our staffs.
*During normal times we'll fund anywhere from 20 - 30 more scholarships than WSSU. Feeding and transporting those athletes cost us more.
*As part of D-I requirements we have to fund more sports than WSSU.
*Our compliance costs are higher as a result of Title IX guidelines, etc.
It just doesn't make financial sense to split with them unless we had no other options. As soon as we get over the APR hump we'll have the option of playing FBS schools for a guaranteed payout whereas WSSU has nothing even remotely close to a $125k payout they could get from playing us every year. Next season I think they'll have ECSU for their first game and I doubt if attendance will be more than 7,000. Monster if you don't count students and season ticket holders as you did in your example and deduct stadium rent they will probably net no more than $75,000. The bottom line is we shouldn't be emotional when it comes to making sound financial decisions. If we continue to negotiate I'm sure both sides will come to a fair agreement.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 20, 2011 19:04:25 GMT -5
I'll actually agree with you guys if you can show me RIGHT NOW a better financial decision? . Dont say play a money game, cause we have 2 other weeks for that(VUL and APP). Playing 3 money games not gonna happen.
Yeah, i'll wait.
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Post by DECKS on Sept 20, 2011 19:34:05 GMT -5
There may not be a better financial offer right now but we can't let that sway us from making the right long term decision.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 20, 2011 20:20:44 GMT -5
There may not be a better financial offer right now but we can't let that sway us from making the right long term decision. Long term? Its a 2 year deal home and home. We not signing our life away for 10 years or something. those contracts are normally for 2 years or 2 games. |
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Post by saabman on Sept 20, 2011 22:08:10 GMT -5
We have to work with what we have ! We are not going to get any Big Money games because of the APR but we can work with what we have which is WSSU. But I thank it should be a Home only let them come to us. Has App state been to Greensboro to play us  If Wssu makes us a 100k so be it. That's better then Nothing. |
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 21, 2011 6:56:10 GMT -5
Has App state been to Greensboro to play us Yes, they have. But I'm not sure I understand your comparison of App. State and WSSU. We've been to Winston numerous times while they were D2. |
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 21, 2011 7:05:03 GMT -5
We've been to WSSU when they were Div2 because it made sense. It just does. Nothing else does, except for a decent payday.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 21, 2011 7:57:47 GMT -5
If we're negotiating a deal for our benefit, why are we worried about what the other side gets out of it? So what if we pay our staff more? We pay our staff more than any team in this conference. Our expenses have no bearing on the thing. Thinking like that leads to making less money for ourselves, and it's poor thinking.
It seems the primary reason for not wanting to do a split is because they are division II. Even so, they bring more to the table for us than any other school we can find at any classification (except NCCU). We're cutting off our nose to spite our face.
Side note: if you look at their infrastructure and look at ours, which team looks d-2 to you? We don't have an advantage in stadium size, not a great one in student body size, not even one in scholarships right now.
Our only concern should be that we beat the hell out of them every year. If we can't do that (and clearly we can't) then I can see avoiding them. And if that's the reason, then admit it and move on.
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 21, 2011 9:05:03 GMT -5
If we're negotiating a deal for our benefit, why are we worried about what the other side gets out of it? So what if we pay our staff more? We pay our staff more than any team in this conference. Our expenses have no bearing on the thing. Thinking like that leads to making less money for ourselves, and it's poor thinking. It seems the primary reason for not wanting to do a split is because they are division II. Even so, they bring more to the table for us than any other school we can find at any classification (except NCCU). We're cutting off our nose to spite our face. Side note: if you look at their infrastructure and look at ours, which team looks d-2 to you? We don't have an advantage in stadium size, not a great one in student body size, not even one in scholarships right now. Our only concern should be that we beat the hell out of them every year. If we can't do that (and clearly we can't) then I can see avoiding them. And if that's the reason, then admit it and move on. This might be your best post ever! Do they have Pulitzer for message boards. But, the financial structure is only part of the problem, this is viewed as a "nothing to gain match" now that they are D2 and none of the decision makers at A&T have an interest pursuing this game. Not that we will not schedule a D2, it just will not be WSSU, if you get my drift. |
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Post by aggie2ru on Sept 21, 2011 9:08:54 GMT -5
dooms.....I think you are on point, especially when comparing the schools talent-wise! I have heard many supporters and administration belittle schools who are D2 or in the CIAA. The point is that RIGHT NOW, athletically, we don't size up well with the top schools in D2 and the CIAA in basketball or football...just being honest!!!
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Post by B&GMM 80 on Sept 21, 2011 9:36:04 GMT -5
I am wondering why NCCU removed WSSU from there schedule as well??
As someone else stated earlier, WSSU 1st game next year is against ECSU, so I think it is a moot point  As long as I can remember our Major Sports Rivals are NCCU & HOWARD AGGIE PRIDE!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 21, 2011 9:38:00 GMT -5
Thank you Dooms, If you guys are just scared say your scared to lose to them. But this whole "we need more money from it" excuse doesn't fly. They make us more money than any other non-conference opponent right now. You guys are throwing in all these OTHER things and the only thing that should be looked at is A&T benefit. Not how much they are making or they are not playing someone else. I really dont care why NCCU is not playing them. That game didn't draw worth jack anyway. Ours does. And if I had to guess I would say Rutgers had something to do with that., but again, we shouldn't care.
When we start selling out ALL our home games then I'll change my mind about a home and home with Winston. I think we started considering dropping WSSU when we were at the peak of our attendance and it started making a LITTLE bit of sense financially, but then the bottom fell out.
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Post by Gator on Sept 21, 2011 9:41:47 GMT -5
If FAMU can get 450, Norfolk get 400K then why can't we go after it and get it? Even if it may be a butt whipp'n.
To me, it's about forward thinking and not living in the past. It's time to embrace new ideas and new approaches to the madness of college football for HBCUs.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 21, 2011 9:44:54 GMT -5
If FAMU can get 450, Norfolk get 400K then why can't we go after it and get it? Even if it may be a butt whipp'n. To me, it's about forward thinking and not living in the past. It's time to embrace new ideas and new approaches to the madness of college football for HBCUs. But Gator, we are not saying DONT go after the 450 or 500. We get that. I dont know how many non-conference dates we'll have next year, but this year we had 3. Use 2 of those to go after the $450K payday. Use the 3rd for WSSU. Your not landing 3 paydays in one season. Any one of these combinations would work: APP, WSSU, Payday WSSU, Payday, Payday Payday, WSSU, Coastal And I'm not saying we play App or Coastal every year, but you have Elon and other SOCON Schools or even SWAC. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 21, 2011 9:54:01 GMT -5
from my personal perspective, this has "nothing" to do with wssu being d2 or whether we can beat them or not. its simply business "stupid" to accept unfair financial terms just for the sake of playing a rivalry game. all that d2 stuff and who has more scholarships and who will beat who is " irrelevant " in terms of a fair contract.
financial "fairness" is the issue. all that other stuff is irrelevant and has nothing to do with fair financial terms. and again, i think folk keep forgetting we'd only play wssu every 2 years which means if we played whomever every year "at home" instead of a home-n-home agreement with wssu, we'd still make just as much money playing "at home" every year against whatever team we want as long as we draw at least half the capacity of aggie stadium. so we won't lose a single dime by not playing wssu under that scenario, even before we're eligible to play money games...
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