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Post by captaggie on Sept 21, 2011 10:02:54 GMT -5
Scared, please. As long as the deal works for A&T - play ball!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 21, 2011 10:07:12 GMT -5
we'd still make just as much money playing "at home" every year against whatever team we want as long as we draw at least half the capacity of aggie stadium. so we won't lose a single dime by not playing wssu under that scenario, even before we're eligible to play money games... Agreed, but we didn't draw half for VUL. We wont draw half until we start winning more. The WSSU game also makes more money than double. That gate is way more than half because against WSSU way more reserves are sold. And out of that 11K how many you think were students and season ticket holders? If we play WSSU the paying at the gate customers damn near triples. Just way more money being spent. More people means bigger average attendance, which means more money for those scoreboard panels, pressbox suites, sponsorships, etc. NO-disrespect, but your thinking is kind of one-sided. We would cry foul if a ACC school tried to bully A&T into a deal that was one sided, so why would we do it to WSSU. WSSU actually has a better leg to stand on than we would against an ACC school. This has gone from a "Who is our rival?" thread to ANOTHER "We should be playing WSSU" thread. Sorry, but if they are our rival then this discussion is relevant, I guess.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 21, 2011 10:25:11 GMT -5
Well, clearly they are our rival, yet we're not playing them. Go figure. And we're not playing them and losing money to boot (or making a lot less money than we could, whichever way you want to see it). That's just stupid. But given the fact we're years away from being able to beat them it might not be so bad. At least I'll admit it.
Even though it cost us money it's a good idea that we didn't play them this year. They would've dropped fifty on us without blinking and our whole season would be shot (again). They are way ahead of us as far as football goes and will remain that way for a while. Of course, they didn't start with one hand and both legs tied behind their backs, but that's not the point.
They're really our equals. They just chose to make a smart decision and move to a division where their budget and infrastructure fit and allowed them to be nationally competitive quickly. It ain't their fault we won't make the same decision. This decision allowed them to pay their football coach a high salary, and he is earning it right now. Again, I'm happy he isn't earning it at our expense.
What other major sports rivals do we have that we're avoiding and lying to ourselves about the reason?
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Post by DECKS on Sept 21, 2011 10:42:02 GMT -5
I am wondering why NCCU removed WSSU from there schedule as well??
As someone else stated earlier, WSSU 1st game next year is against ECSU, so I think it is a moot point As long as I can remember our Major Sports Rivals are NCCU & HOWARD AGGIE PRIDE! They've removed them for the same reason we did. WSSU will have to agree to a financial deal that weighs in NCCU's favor. The same reason no FBS school will split with a FCS school. It's time to stop making emotional financial decisions based on how things used to be. Even if we miss the game for a couple of years we'll recoup the money over time as long as we put the right deal together. In the end WSSU will more than likely acquiesce since we have leverage and I think it will be sooner rather than later. The wierd thing is most of the WSSU fans I've spoken with understand why we should get a larger split.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 21, 2011 10:45:03 GMT -5
personally, i ain't scared of playing no wssu and i don't think they're that much better than us, if at all. hail, we almost beat them last year without having a true qb behind center. yet, we still should've won that game. so i don't buy this crap that they're so much better than us.
ain't nobody scared of no darn wssu! central's folks said the exact same thing when we pulled out of the aggie/eagle classic. but truth be known, we pulled out of the aggie/eagle for the same reasons we should pull out of the aggie/ram. we didn't get our fair share of the money with the aggie/eagle and justifiably so, we pulled out. we wouldn't get our fair share of the money with the aggie/ram based on a home-n-home agreement, hence it should be a no deal...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 21, 2011 11:02:39 GMT -5
We pulled from the Aggie/Eagle cause we got shafted from the promoter.
Again, you guys are not offering up an alternative for the shot term? A long standing problem I've had with my fellow A&T grads is the "entitlement" we've always displayed. We just called it Aggie Pride. We have no better alternative and WSSU knows it.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 21, 2011 11:11:00 GMT -5
Of course we have a better alternative. Make less money playing a cupcake. As far as the guys in charge are concerned (you know, the guys that are scared of playing WSSU) that is a better alternative. That ends that debate.
So do they still qualify as a rival if we're running from them?
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Post by DECKS on Sept 21, 2011 11:11:00 GMT -5
Who recalls the deal that Dee Todd negotiated when we resumed the series in 2006? I think it originally gave us 100% of the gate when the game was played at Aggie Stadium and 30% of the gate when the game was played at Bowman Gray until WSSU was in the MEAC. My details may be off a little but I'll see if I can find the original article.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 21, 2011 11:28:49 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more it make sense to avoid playing them. We'd basically be paying them to whup our @ss every year. Their infrastructure is already better than ours. We recruit some of the same kids. A few behind-kickings in a row and what kid will want to come to A&T? They have the advantage of d-2 academic requirements. Most of those dream team props we lost are eligible to play there off the bat.
They beat us last year with a first-year first-time head coach, coming off a losing record, and having lost a number of players due to the transition back to d-2. Now that they have stability? Uh, no thank you.
Shoot, their third string qb started at Elon like 10 years ago. Their starting tb would start for us, no question. We're better off leaving them alone. No point in us helping them to d-2 dominance.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 21, 2011 12:08:27 GMT -5
Dooms you are cracking me up, LOL. But its true. We definitely ran this year. I have no doubt about it.
4XL should be able to clear some of this up? If your reading..... What was Dee Todd's deal and some of the older deals with WSSU? And what did we want vs. what they wanted to keep it from getting done this year?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 21, 2011 12:33:57 GMT -5
We pulled from the Aggie/Eagle cause we got shafted from the promoter. exactly! so in other words, we didn't get our fair share of the money like i stated, but that didn't stop eagles from claiming we're scared of playing them. just like ya'll claiming we're scared of playing wssu. it ain't so...
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 21, 2011 12:42:10 GMT -5
No deal is permanent. The leverage Dee Todd had no longer exist. What leverage we had we lost when we didn't keep a deal on the table before the series ended. Plus Chico ain’t over there anymore. The revenue the game generates for them would a greater benefit as a % of expense, but because they live under a reduced budget pressure now they can live without the game. Our expenses have gone up significantly, while theirs has significantly decreased. The game is now a greater financial benefit to us.
I don't think anyone has stated that we should make a deal that is not financially rewarding, but what team, HBCU or PWC, D-III, D-II or D-I (FCS) is gonna generate sell-out hype?
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 21, 2011 13:13:35 GMT -5
We pulled from the Aggie/Eagle cause we got shafted from the promoter. exactly! so in other words, we didn't get our fair share of the money like i stated, but that didn't stop eagles from claiming we're scared of playing them. just like ya'll claiming we're scared of playing wssu. it ain't so... Getting shafted is different from making a bad deal. The deal made originally was good. So I don't see your point. Aggie77 is saying the same thing Im saying. The leverage we had in the past(as small as it was) is gone. You cant pretend we still have it. We MAY have it in a few years with some winning, greater attendance ,and a money game on the schedule, but we dont have it right now, so a 2 year deal for a home and home(you take your gate and we take ours)is not a cop out, rolling over, or a bad deal.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 21, 2011 14:07:47 GMT -5
our leverage ain't gone, we still bring more fans to bowman-gray than they bring to aggie stadium and it ain't even close. and as far as wssu being in better financial shape than us, that ain't true. unless some rich donor recently came along and paid out wssu's multi-million dollar athletics deficit, it simply ain't true they're in better financial shape than we are.
and you're really imagining things if you don't think we significantly out number their visiting fans compared to ours. we almost fill up half of bowman gray when we go there. they only occupy about 1/3 of aggie stadium when they come to us. anybody who has better eyesight than stevie wonder can see that.
you just have trouble separating your emotions from the facts. again, if we don't play wssu in a home-n-home agreement, we're free to play an ooc "home game" on opening day every year if we choose to. we don't have to wait every 2 years to make money if we don't want to. two years of opening games that fill half of aggie stadium or more would compensate financially for not playing wssu in a home-n-home agreement
i'm done with this, no need to keep beating a deadhorse. ya'll believe whatever ya wanna believe...
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 21, 2011 14:44:07 GMT -5
But keep in mind by going to D2 they probably cut $1M in expenses. Their student fees was like 80% of their revenue basis then. At $579 a student, that's almost $3M year. They can easily fund their entire athletic department on that. Tickets sales and donations are just icing.
Like DOOMS said, the more I look at this the more it makes sense we don't play them anytime soon. I see less and less leverage for us to negotiate on.
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