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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 4, 2010 18:31:13 GMT -5
AM, Don't assume thrilla and I agree on Martin's approach. We don't. Far from it. I don't think he has to explain anything to me or anyone else and I never thought he should. In fact I do understand his logic and where he's coming from. Most schools worth their salt don't advertise who they are trying to negotiate with and I agree with that approach. This ain't no American Idol phone lines are open moment and shouldn't be. Bad decisions were made before he got here and he's not planning on doing the same thing. I mean it was left to the AD last time and the wrong choice was made and it backfired, so I can see why he's all into the decision making process. Who ever he hires for both of these spots he wants them here for a long time to come but I also know he seriously wants to win and win now more than anyone I've seen in the top spot at this school. OK, I didn't mean to lump you with thrilla. thought were were singing his tune. We on the same page then. No one wants to be lumped with that guy these days, LOL. Just kidding thrilla.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 4, 2010 19:53:02 GMT -5
I'm bout to ban all y'all mofos ....
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Post by The Professor on Dec 4, 2010 20:28:58 GMT -5
Examples: Lee's a good coach. He was learning the head coach job and was undergoing the hardest lesson of his life this year. Someone else is going to benefit from what he learned here. Lee's defenses have achieved excellence for years. YEARS! Except for one place. In two separate stints here, his defenses weren't good. Everywhere else he has been they have been excellent. It ain't him... Anybody seen what "wide legs" Hunter's been doing on the high school level? I'll be honest, I haven't, but I imagine he ain't going 1-27. With any infrastructure he could've gone .500 or so. I remember during his last year he wasn't getting game tape on other teams timely because we failed to pay the FedEx bill. Infrastructure. Bibbs used lawyers to strongarm the school into giving her what she needs. She's the only one shrewd enough to do so. Ultimately she's more worried about her fine @ss than the school's incompetent @ss. We just fire you and pay you to go away, creating an even smaller pool of money to craft a proper infrastructure. Don't let her have two years of less than top two finishes in the conference. All you jock-sniffers will be complaining about her so fast... Shumate makes a team completely by his own doing almost every dang year. Is he even allowed to recruit outside the state?!? Imagine if you gave him a little more support. And we have the nerve to pretend to compete for national championships?!? What school only give in-state schollys and makes that kind of asinine statement? Well, I can name one off the top of my head... Dee Todd stated at about 100 Aggie Club meetings that she never failed at anything she did. She hadn't been around us long enough obviously. When she was at the ACC she was doing big stuff. Ga Tech, Northwestern... We killed that. Roy Thompson? Won before we got hold of him. Look at what we gave Eaves to work with, and we continually steal from him. John McKenzie? We're like the only place to hold him under 375 yards per game. Siciliano is the dam qb coach at Ohio freaking State! What'd we do here, complain about his receivers, right? Chancellor Battle made Coppin freaking State respectable (well, sorta) and we drove him crazy in two short years. I blame Renick. All his big dreams and big talk while stifling the budget got us in this mess. His rapid-fire firing anybody who told him the truth and trying to make us into something we're not (a legit d-1 program) by flapping his gums and destroying anything resembling infrastructure started this whole ball rolling. Martin's realistic expectation should be to clean this mess up and get a proper infrastructure back, before he even talks about winning one game, much less a dang championship. He needs to take all the notes he took from Renick, set them on fire, and shove them up Renick's high yellow @ss. Then take all the notes he took from Fort, and follow them to a T. Hire people to run athletics properly, give them what they need to run it, believe what they tell you, and get the hell out of the way. Phew, I've been holding that in for a while... Siciliano was a student coach at YSU when Tressel was there There was plenty of corruption during Fort's tenure
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 5, 2010 8:20:47 GMT -5
Lee was a player on a team that played on two d-2 finalist teams and won one. Hunter played for Dean Smith and was the first "next Michael Jordan." Dee Todd was the first everything. Small was the first coach to have a winning season at Kentucky State in decades Fobbs played for Eddie Robinson
Every time we hire a name that should work out in somebody's eyes, it doesn't work out. Well, at least since Renick showed up. That's because of the infrastructure. If Martin doesn't fix the infrastructure with twice as much zeal as he is firing folks, it's all for naught.
Renick believed that firing somebody and replacing them with somebody who looked good on paper was how to fix the infrastructure. It is not. I hope Martin realizes that. If not...
Please enlighten me on the corruption during Fort's tenure and what it has to do with what I posted. When you're done, tell us all about what he inherited and had to work with versus what he left for his successor to work with (and to take credit for although he had little to nothing to take credit for). I can't wait to read this one.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Dec 5, 2010 11:11:24 GMT -5
I also would like to hear about the "corruption" in Fort's administration. If you don't know the history of why Fort was hired and his legacy after leaving, it is best not to discuss him.
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Post by aggiedog on Dec 5, 2010 20:51:43 GMT -5
Last Wed night during the Aggie Club meeting, I asked Hilton what was being done to address one of the infractructure issues associated with athletics such as timely processing of paper work for student athletes ? He said that he was aware of these issues and they were being discussed with the concerned people at the highest level.
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Post by aggie82 on Dec 6, 2010 21:57:36 GMT -5
BTW: Curtis Hunter has made 2 final 4 appearances at Northeast High School in the last 4 years..dont know what it means; just addressing an earlier post ! !
On a serious note, it seems like we just keep starting over AD's and Head Coaches...Do we really have the resources to start turning things around? Eaves makes money, but it goes to support the general fund, and his players can't even go to summer school..Duh ! ! !
I see Bill Hayes as a quick fix..Is that what we really want? or do we need long term stability..And for the record, why would they want to leave WSSU and come to this mess?
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 7, 2010 7:02:55 GMT -5
They're Aggies. But then, so was Lee.
Of course we don't have the resources to start turning things around. We have caviar dreams and a fried fish budget.
Bottom line, whoever we can get, we're going to question. There's no perfect fit that we can get our hands on. People are going to question any name you throw out there. That stems from us sucking for so long.
You know the damage one ignorant negro can do?
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Post by Aggie One on Dec 7, 2010 7:49:57 GMT -5
Dooms asgain is correct oncer more. Bill Hayes, despite his nasty departure under Renick and the wicked witch of Market Street has and always an Aggie as is Connell. Bill knows how to compete within the MEAC with budget limitstionsd and Connell is a hell of offensive coach who lnows how to coach up his personnel and his defensive staff is outstanding.
You just don't take a program like WSSU who lost 24 players to transfer, abunch of freshmen, sophs and trnsfers then go 8-2 in your first year and finish in the top 25 in D-II, beat the bejesus out your main recruting competition among PWC D-II programs in the state like Pembroke State who was 17th at the time in D-II.
Quick fix? Maybe in some folks minds but that quick fix beat the crap out of us and seven other teams including a couple MEAC teams along the way. If they were to make the move back east down 1-40, it would bother me not one little bit and we won't be having these 1-10 discussions anymore.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 7, 2010 8:53:34 GMT -5
if hayes were to comeback along with maynor, i get the sense that hayes would be "reliving" his aggie coaching experience through maynor. kinda like a proud dad watching his son follow in his footsteps.
and a1, you're right about not worrying about going 1-10 anymore. and ya know what else? i betcha we'll never have to worry about bcu scoring 70 points on us again if hayes has anything to do with it...
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 7, 2010 9:07:46 GMT -5
You know what's interesting:
When we scored 73 on BCC back in 1996, they promoted the defensive coordinator that we scored 73 on to head coach the following year. That's illogical as hell, ain't it?
The guy had never been a head football coach before (he had won a meac championship coaching their women's basketball team and interviewed with Charlie Neal wearing a fur coat in a hot Florida gym, true story). He took a team that hadn't had a winning season in 12 years and promptly had,... another losing season. But he beat our @ss. He then went on a tear, winning a conference championship and making two playoff appearances. He didn't have another losing season for 10 years. Hayes never went 10 years between losing seasons.
The administration didn't fire the whole staff after getting whupped like that. They knew what they had in that defensive coordinator and decided the best way to do things was to give him the support he needed to rectify the situation, not send him off on his merry way. And that worked.
The man was an embarassment too. we've all heard the stories. I just typed the fur coat story, and it's all true. It came from his own mouth. We've seen him on the sidelines. Everybody called him a "pimp" because he dressed like one. But he cared about his players and it showed. They all did very well under him. All of this was primarily because he got support from his administration. Nobody snatched players from him at the last second. Nobody restricted him from recruiting transfers or juco players.
Food for thought.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 7, 2010 9:19:23 GMT -5
he also got "canned" for losing to a d2 school (shaw univ.) and being too stubborn to abandon the outdated "wyatt bone", bcu replacing him with a much younger and more energetic coach who dayum near went undefeated for the regular season. sound familiar? see any parallels there? ;D
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 7, 2010 9:30:18 GMT -5
Not really. Help me out.
Well I guess one parallel is that his success went with the financial support by the administration. You're going to have to spell out the rest for me.
Let's see, Wyatt coached 13 seasons total, one 4-7 (the first one) and three 5-6 (three of his last four). So four out of 13 were losing seasons. He won 64.6% of his games at Cookman. You could make a case either way that he should have been fired given the downward spiral his team took near the end. But does that mean he shouldn't have been hired? I think not, given his overall success.
By comparison, Hayes lost to d-2 Central his last year, had 15 years at Ayantee, 2-9 his first one, 5-6 his second one. He had a 4-7 in the middle and 4-8 his final year. So four out of his 15 were losing. He won 60.3% of his games at Ayantee. Pretty similar. Does that mean he should have been fired? Or should not have been hired?
;D ;D
What are Martin's realistic expectations and goals? To go back to the glory days of Hayes when we could expect to win eight by playing three d-2 teams and losing to every pwc with a winning record we can get on the schedule? We ain't gonna do much better than that, let's face it. We actually don't have a budget that will support that meager goal. Our budget and infrastructure support 1-10 and 0-11 seasons, with a 4-6 thrown in for good measure every now and again.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 7, 2010 10:43:20 GMT -5
nah, that's not what i was talkin' bout, but those are some pretty interesting stats. i was referring to shine's firing and being replaced by a young inexperienced head coach.
well, i guess i can't really say its a parallel yet since we've made no official hirings. but "speculating" that maynor will get the job, the parallel is replacing the old (shine, the general) with the new, young, and inexperienced (jenkins, maynor). and both jenkins and maynor "defied" preseason predictions and led their teams to near undefeated records...
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 7, 2010 10:45:34 GMT -5
Yeah, you're right.
It's not a parallel. Maynor achieved his success somewhere else. If you want to compare Maynor at Winston with Jenkins at BCU, that's one thing. This ain't the same.
Would you be happy with the same thing Hayes gave us?
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