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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 3, 2010 9:49:12 GMT -5
Hold up a minute...If our goal SHOULDN'T be to win a championship on our level, what should the goal be?? Yall, buck at the idea of a legacy bowl or a black college championship. So, what is a more suitable or realistic goal that we should set for ourselves?? Sure, we all know we have financial challenges in our department right now...but should that change the overall goal?? It seems to me, alot of us want to have our cake and eat it too. The first step in achieveing a national championship is to get the correct people in place to begin the process. We are not close but, do we quit and go back to div. II?? So, I say yeah it's a realistic goal, if that's the goal of all people involved...admin, alumni and student/athletes.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 3, 2010 9:56:05 GMT -5
That's like me saying my goal is to be president and then not bothering to do anything about it. It's lip service.
The first step in achieving a national championship is doing an honest assessment of where you stand. I'm not so sure that an honest assessment has been done outside of this forum. And even then a good number of the members of this forum aren't honest about it.
An honest assessment would have us in d-2 in two weeks. Why? Because our budget has had us in d-2 for 30 years, and that budget has not changed. Our infrastructure has had us in d-2 for 30 years, and that has not changed. Our practices has have us in d-2 for 30 years, and that has not changed. And instead of changing all (or even any) of the above, we "set a goal of winning a national championship."
'06, don't take this personally please. But the goal of any hbcu winning a national championship on the d-1 level is garbage and a lie. A realistic goal for Ayantee right now is to have a .500 season. That's realistic based on our current status, our current resources, and our current infrastructure. A "shoot for the moon" goal is to shoot for a winning season or even a double-digit winning season. Any goal beyond that is utterly preposterous, because there's no meat behind it. I like my behinds to have meat.
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 3, 2010 10:08:57 GMT -5
The goal can be anything he wants it to be. In fact, the NC has always been the goal. In fact, that was the goal last year, the year before that and for the past twenty years. So, what the goal is, is not the issue. In fact, that's the goal for all Aggies Sports.
The issues are, is it a realistic goal, are we (the University, Alums, Fans) going to support this goal in critical mass numbers, and we can hire competent professionals (coaches, marketers fundraisers, administrators , educators, tutors, advisors, etc.) at all levels to implement a plan to achieve this goal. Many people have said this before, so YES that’s the goal, now what?
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 3, 2010 10:24:55 GMT -5
Now we scrap that b.s. goal and start with some realistic goals with rational steps with a timetable. We have these foolish goals and there is no penalty nor change in operating strategy applied for not meeting them. That ain't a goal, that's daydreaming. And no, the penalty for failing to make the national championship "goal" ain't firing the AD and coach every few years, nor is it decreased attendance and donations, nor is it the embarassment of multiple losing seasons. If these things were accompanied by honest critical reassessments of why we failed to meet the goal, then yeah, it's a penalty. If I don't make an honest goal I set for myself, I make sure I know why I didn't achieve the goal and try to figure out what I can do to make it next time. Ayantee doesn't do that. It just finds a scapegoat. If I found scapegoats every time I missed a goal, I'd still be loading trucks at UPS. Not that it's a bad job, but I'd be about two years from applying for disability. I don't think I ever heard Chancellor Fort say he wanted to win no dang national championship. I only heard Hayes say it in '99 after we beat Tenn State and he got caught up in the excitement. Hayes' goal was almost always to have the top I-AA team in the state, and he actually achieved that goal one year. With more support he could've achieved it more often. But that wasn't necessarily his Chancellor's goal. Real goals versus fake ones. Do not waste my time with some fake b.s. goal. I'm beyond tired of it. Just tell me the truth. Do teams with a goal of a national championship have this happen to them? bluedeathvalley.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6415If Martin hates to lose so much, why'd he do this? bluedeathvalley.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6392Was he intentionally trying the cut the rug out from under Lee in order to get his own Lee Fobbs and Dee Todd tandem up in here? Did he learn nothing from Renick's failed policies? If you ain't gonna increase the budget dramatically, don't expect much of nothing and don't say you expect much of nothing.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 3, 2010 12:17:31 GMT -5
come on, dooms. hundreds of colleges have a national championship as their goal and hundreds of colleges have never won one and never will. just because its your goal, doesn't mean you expect to reach it in 2 years. unc, nc state, and ecu all have a goal of winning a national championship in football. yet, they're no closer to winning one than we are.
if you're not aiming for the ultimate goal in athletics, why bother competing? every school in the meac should have a "goal" of winning a national championship whether realistic or not. that's the nature of "competition".
how realistic is it for boise state to have a goal of winning a national championship? not that they aren't good enough, but they'll never overcome the bogus bcs. yet, their goal is to win a national championship and it should be.
there's only a handful of schools that "realistically" have a shot at winning a national championship year in year out. but the vast majority of schools don't and likely never will win one. but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be their goal. occasionally, along comes a george mason or a butler or a gonzaga, who have almost no chance of winning a national championship. but that's the beauty of athletics. there's always a cinderella story waiting to happen that gives schools like a&t hope that one day the glass slipper will fit our foot...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 12:36:30 GMT -5
And it's that silly Cinderella story that keeps us doing the same silly things over, and over, and over again.
BTW: Butler's budget is around $10-$15 million. They play in the Pioneer Football League. Gonzaga and George Mason don't even have football.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 3, 2010 12:38:57 GMT -5
Can somebody read the title of this thread to me (or maybe to themselves)?
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Post by bseballaggie on Dec 3, 2010 12:40:11 GMT -5
The goal can be anything he wants it to be. In fact, the NC has always been the goal. In fact, that was the goal last year, the year before that and for the past twenty years. So, what the goal is, is not the issue. In fact, that's the goal for all Aggies Sports. The issues are, is it a realistic goal, are we (the University, Alums, Fans) going to support this goal in critical mass numbers, and we can hire competent professionals (coaches, marketers fundraisers, administrators , educators, tutors, advisors, etc.) at all levels to implement a plan to achieve this goal. Many people have said this before, so YES that’s the goal, now what? It can be done with the right coach and staff! this coach was a bulldog for winning and change, remember what he was up against, no budget! That was the only reason he targeted black players and his only option FOR WINNING! Vision and improvision in times of DON'T GOT! www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeSKfliQhhY&feature=player_detailpage#t=57s
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 3, 2010 12:42:29 GMT -5
Not without the proper infrastructure and support. If you don't have that you are walking backwards and farting in a headwind.
You can plug almost any fool into a situation with the proper infrastructure and support and on average they'll do better than the "right" coach and staff with no support.
Have you noticed the number of coaches that leave one place where they stunk and all of a sudden looked like megastars? The support changed.
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Post by bseballaggie on Dec 3, 2010 12:50:37 GMT -5
Not without the proper infrastructure and support. If you don't have that you are walking backwards and farting in a headwind. You can plug almost any fool into a situation with the proper infrastructure and support and on average they'll do better than the "right" coach and staff with no support. Have you noticed the number of coaches that leave one place where they stunk and all of a sudden looked like megastars? The support changed. I respect your argument, sound business accumen! Something we have not shown in this Athletic Department. Your most accurate point is we have to get rid of the slight of hand and half truths. Bull sheeet may get you to the top, but it want keep you there, the slop is always slippery. Besides everyone smells it.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 3, 2010 13:08:29 GMT -5
Examples:
Lee's a good coach. He was learning the head coach job and was undergoing the hardest lesson of his life this year. Someone else is going to benefit from what he learned here.
Lee's defenses have achieved excellence for years. YEARS! Except for one place. In two separate stints here, his defenses weren't good. Everywhere else he has been they have been excellent. It ain't him...
Anybody seen what "wide legs" Hunter's been doing on the high school level? I'll be honest, I haven't, but I imagine he ain't going 1-27. With any infrastructure he could've gone .500 or so. I remember during his last year he wasn't getting game tape on other teams timely because we failed to pay the FedEx bill. Infrastructure.
Bibbs used lawyers to strongarm the school into giving her what she needs. She's the only one shrewd enough to do so. Ultimately she's more worried about her fine @ss than the school's incompetent @ss. We just fire you and pay you to go away, creating an even smaller pool of money to craft a proper infrastructure.
Don't let her have two years of less than top two finishes in the conference. All you jock-sniffers will be complaining about her so fast...
Shumate makes a team completely by his own doing almost every dang year. Is he even allowed to recruit outside the state?!? Imagine if you gave him a little more support. And we have the nerve to pretend to compete for national championships?!? What school only give in-state schollys and makes that kind of asinine statement? Well, I can name one off the top of my head...
Dee Todd stated at about 100 Aggie Club meetings that she never failed at anything she did. She hadn't been around us long enough obviously. When she was at the ACC she was doing big stuff. Ga Tech, Northwestern... We killed that.
Roy Thompson? Won before we got hold of him. Look at what we gave Eaves to work with, and we continually steal from him. John McKenzie? We're like the only place to hold him under 375 yards per game. Siciliano is the dam qb coach at Ohio freaking State! What'd we do here, complain about his receivers, right? Chancellor Battle made Coppin freaking State respectable (well, sorta) and we drove him crazy in two short years.
I blame Renick. All his big dreams and big talk while stifling the budget got us in this mess. His rapid-fire firing anybody who told him the truth and trying to make us into something we're not (a legit d-1 program) by flapping his gums and destroying anything resembling infrastructure started this whole ball rolling.
Martin's realistic expectation should be to clean this mess up and get a proper infrastructure back, before he even talks about winning one game, much less a dang championship. He needs to take all the notes he took from Renick, set them on fire, and shove them up Renick's high yellow @ss. Then take all the notes he took from Fort, and follow them to a T. Hire people to run athletics properly, give them what they need to run it, believe what they tell you, and get the hell out of the way.
Phew, I've been holding that in for a while...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 13:18:27 GMT -5
Well there you have it.
Sigh...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 3, 2010 13:50:09 GMT -5
And it's that silly Cinderella story that keeps us doing the same silly things over, and over, and over again. BTW: Butler's budget is around $10-$15 million. They play in the Pioneer Football League. Gonzaga and George Mason don't even have football. westcoast, i'm not talkin' bout football in that regard. i'm talkin' bout the final four. and the cinderella story has absolutely "nothing" to do with how our athletic department operates. not one iota...
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 3, 2010 13:57:54 GMT -5
It dam shawl don't. Even she had drawers.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 3, 2010 14:02:01 GMT -5
i don't think anyone could argue that our athletic department has been run in a professional manner over the last decade or so. but you can't hold martin responsible for that. he wasn't here. at least he has aspirations to excel in athletics. give the man a chance to do it his way.
i for one am glad he doesn't have any patience with losing. if he gets it wrong, fine. but patience ran the hail out with fobbs and any coach that takes this job ought to know that. you may not agree with his approach, but give the man credit for not accepting the status quo and give the man an opportunity to put in place the athletic department as he sees fit...
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