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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 3, 2010 14:03:20 GMT -5
Dooms, folks don't want to hear that much truth at one time.
They'd rather just fantasize over Bill Hayes or Rod Broadway or some other miracle worker coming here and solving all our problems for us.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 3, 2010 14:09:34 GMT -5
The exact same thing could be said for Renick, Dee Todd, Battle, and Wheeler Brown.
None of them accepted what was the status quo at the time and all of the were given the opportunity to run the athletic department as they saw fit.
And look at where we are now.
I'm sorry Mr. Company man, but our leaders can no longer be expected to do the right thing.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 3, 2010 15:37:23 GMT -5
Thrilla, everyone deserves to run things "their" way. I know its hard, but you have to let the man in charge just be the man in charge. If he wants to fire everyone that he passes in the hallway that doesn't speak that's his option. We can only talk sheeet when we are 1-9 again next season.
If I were Chancellor or even AD for that matter, my football coach going 1-9 gives me a chance to build my own legacy without worrying about f'ing it up. It cant get no worse. So let the man have his shot.
While you say Lee was a decent man(and probably is), I cant believe you are upset about the house clearing of a 1-9 coach. Or even care for that matter. Even people who loved Lee are saying "well he did go 1-9".
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 3, 2010 15:58:24 GMT -5
Time and time again, the lone dictator model of leadership has failed at this university.
What we need is more transparency and oversight. And obviously our current board of trustees could care less if this athletic department goes to hell in a hand basket.
We need to make everyone accountable for their major decisions concerning A&T athletics and put a system of checks and balances in place.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 3, 2010 16:02:31 GMT -5
It's not about Lee or his 1-9 record. My anger is directed at the manner in which he was fired and Martin's knee jerk decision making.
It is the exact same knee jerk decision making that has occurred at this university for the past 10 years.
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Post by aggie62 on Dec 3, 2010 16:07:59 GMT -5
Until today & purposely, I have kept quiet about the recent change in the direction of our football program and I don't plan to say much about this one. However, it wasn't only Lee's record that got him fired but the team looked very undisciplined and very poorly coached so why pay several hundred thousand coaching-dollars and not get basic coaching?
And for those who believe our athletic department could use more funds (including me), just remember the overwhelming number of empty seats at stadium this year and last; seats that could've easily generated an additional million dollars per year. Even homecoming didn't produce a full stadium this year. I think the football program should focus on generating its own funds.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 3, 2010 16:21:14 GMT -5
It's not about Lee or his 1-9 record. My anger is directed at the manner in which we was fired and Martin's knee jerk decision making. It is the exact same knee jerk decision making that has occurred at this university for the past 10 years. But your blaming him for past mistakes. I'm just saying you cant really do that. Should he have just left a bad situation bad cause A&T has a history of firing coaches? He has the right to access the situation for himself and make a decision. He cant think about what past Chancellors or ADs did wrong before him. |
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Post by Aggie One on Dec 3, 2010 16:49:38 GMT -5
I too, am much like aggie62, haven't said much and will stay above the fray but I agree with his viewpoint in his post.
There are some very interesting moves being made at this moment both on and off the field that will change a lot of opinions in due course about Dr. Martin's supposed mis-handling of Lee's firing and where the department goes from here.
I told those of you who asked me a month ago of what I thought and I told you that Lee would be most likely out when Wheeler was let go. Trust me on this one as well.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 3, 2010 16:52:14 GMT -5
BTW: A&T still doesn't even have a single sentence on ncat.edu or ncataggies.com about Lee's firing.
How that's for transparency.
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 3, 2010 18:12:17 GMT -5
It's not about Lee or his 1-9 record. My anger is directed at the manner in which we was fired and Martin's knee jerk decision making. It is the exact same knee jerk decision making that has occurred at this university for the past 10 years. But your blaming him for past mistakes. I'm just saying you cant really do that. Should he have just left a bad situation bad cause A&T has a history of firing coaches? He has the right to access the situation for himself and make a decision. He cant think about what past Chancellors or ADs did wrong before him. I don't think anyone is blaming the Chancellor for past mistakes. But surely you would agree this is a continuation of the previous process. How many times do we need to see the same movie, with a different cast, before we realize the dude is gonna get shot in the back right by the Gold Helmet Room? This is like Ground Hog Day! There’s no national search. Uncle Ray-Ray cousin’s friend from the army knows a guy that tossed a football to a kid playing in front of his house one day. The kid is our next Coach. Why do we always to have some twisted plot suspense thriller to make a major athletic hire? When did the Chancellor become a football guy, he has to rely on the advice of someone? Do any of you really believe the Chancellor made a full assessment of the football program and concluded this was the solution? Ya’ll really think there is a plan. If it happens before X-mas then there’s a plan, if not then he making it up as he goes (SMH). Anybody got the number of Uncle Ray-Ray's cousin’s friend from the army, I need to get a message to the Chancellor? I know a guy that played (well he said he did) football for A&T in the 50's, he know a guys that played with him that would be perfect for the job. He says this guy can coach the whole team by himself. I would not be surprised if this hire is straight out of left field. |
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Post by Trueaggie on Dec 3, 2010 18:48:40 GMT -5
I believe there is a plan; and it will unfold before Christmas. I believe we will get a gift in Hayes and Maynor both to A&T to reastablish the athletic program. This one of those gut feelings I just can't ignore. It will happen!!
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Post by aggie62 on Dec 3, 2010 19:00:58 GMT -5
I told those of you who asked me a month ago of what I thought and I told you that Lee would be most likely out when Wheeler was let go. Trust me on this one as well. |
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Post by aggie62 on Dec 3, 2010 19:25:35 GMT -5
BTW: A&T still doesn't even have a single sentence on ncat.edu or ncataggies.com about Lee's firing. How that's for transparency. Thrilla, that's the Sports Information Director's responsibilty and unless the administration has instructed him not to share the information this is a staffing or compency issue; not a transparency issue. |
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 4, 2010 14:24:07 GMT -5
See, yall are assuming his decision was "knee jerk". Your assuming he dont know jack about football. Yall are assuming a lot of stuff about the man. Thats all Im saying.
How does anyone know he hasn't studied our football history and the past 2 seasons very carefully? How do you know he didn't get on the phone with some football heads and talk about the direction of the last 2 seasons? You dont!
I respect you AggieOne and thrilla, but he isn't obligated to explain ANYTHING to anyone about his decisions. Yall guys(along with a lot of others) are just pumped up about firings because we have had so much. But if its needed its needed.
I mean, think about this conversation with the chancelor
Martin: I think I'm firing Lee
Person:Why?
Martin: He went 1-9 and the team showed no improvement or will to play
Person:But you cant do that
Martin: Why, 5 on field wins in 2 years and it only got worse
Person:We fired the last 2 coaches in just over 6 years
Martin:But he stinks, his offense stinks. His so called specialty(defense) wasn't to good either.
Person:That will be our 3rd coach in 9 years though, so you cant do that
Martin:So I should stick with a staff that sucks because people before me fired their coaches?
Person:Right, it will look bad
Martin:So in the interest of not looking bad I should give a 1-9 coach another year?
Person:Right, you should keep him and hope for the best
Martin:What about attendance? The last 2 games were laughable. If we dont do something only Homecoming and NCCU will have decent crowds. The NCCU crowd could also be in trouble this year cause the game is later in season.
Person:Well, you have a point. But you cant fire him
Martin:Why?
Person: It will look bad. People are tired of getting new coaches.
Martin:Geez!
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Post by Aggie One on Dec 4, 2010 15:26:07 GMT -5
AM, Don't assume thrilla and I agree on Martin's approach. We don't. Far from it.
I don't think he has to explain anything to me or anyone else and I never thought he should. In fact I do understand his logic and where he's coming from.
Most schools worth their salt don't advertise who they are trying to negotiate with and I agree with that approach. This ain't no American Idol phone lines are open moment and shouldn't be.
Bad decisions were made before he got here and he's not planning on doing the same thing. I mean it was left to the AD last time and the wrong choice was made and it backfired, so I can see why he's all into the decision making process.
Who ever he hires for both of these spots he wants them here for a long time to come but I also know he seriously wants to win and win now more than anyone I've seen in the top spot at this school.
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