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Post by saabman on Oct 19, 2023 18:24:36 GMT -5
Brickhandler suffered a lower leg injury in 2022. IIRC, it was during the Duke game. And IMHO, that's probably partially why he looked the way he did against UAB and NCCU Thanks. Then we don't really know what he is capable of. Brickhandler problem is more mental in my opinion. Most players that have had major injuries will tell you " it's more of the mental then the physical " that keeps you from proforming to your fullest level on the field. He has to work back from that . Yeager on the other had , in my opinion. Has been dealing with both and his body language on the field shows it . Hooker shouldn't even be named in any of the conversations when talking about our QB room until he gets in game field time and shows what he can or can't do . So here we are with some wanting a two QB rotation with the choices being Eli are Yeager as the go to options and a receiver group that can't catch or run decent routes to open up the passing game. It hurts me to see White being related to just being one dimensional. When it is evident that he is far more than just a runner . Maybe the light will come on this weekend for the offensive unit and we can open up the passing game but hope is eternal 🙏
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2023 19:07:29 GMT -5
"in my opinion", the reason i don't think we've seen the best of kj and brick this season is because our oc have not "simplified" the offense in a way that gives our qb's the best chance to be successful. in other words, our oc should "minimize" pass plays that require our qb to hold onto the ball in the pocket for a long time. that means "fewer" down field passes 20 yards or more down field. clearly, none of our qb's have "mastered" the skill of "quickly" going thru their progressions fast enuf to avoid sacks. that skillset will come over time as each qb develops, but it won't happen overnight.
so why not give our qb's "quick reads" and "shorter passes"? even if the opposing defense doesn't give our receivers a 10 yard cushion or more, an oc can "create space" for a short pass to a receiver by the formations or shifts he calls or by putting dudes "in motion" (especially slot guys and rb's). that's how an oc can help out a qb who still hasn't mastered going thru multiple progressions quickly.
qb passing is a lot like shooting a basketball. in basketball, if you see your shot go in the basket a couple times in a row even if its layups or close range shots, then it helps you to find your "shooting rhythm" and you become "more confident" to shoot longer range shots. same for a qb. if a qb completes several short passes in a row, it helps him to find his "passing rhythm" which gives him "more confidence" to complete intermediate and long passes.
short passes require "quick reads" and sometimes, only one read cuz your primary receiver is often wide open depending on the play call...
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Post by planoaggie on Oct 19, 2023 19:22:10 GMT -5
Thanks. Then we don't really know what he is capable of. Brickhandler problem is more mental in my opinion. Most players that have had major injuries will tell you " it's more of the mental then the physical " that keeps you from proforming to your fullest level on the field. He has to work back from that . Yeager on the other had , in my opinion. Has been dealing with both and his body language on the field shows it . Hooker shouldn't even be named in any of the conversations when talking about our QB room until he gets in game field time and shows what he can or can't do . So here we are with some wanting a two QB rotation with the choices being Eli are Yeager as the go to options and a receiver group that can't catch or run decent routes to open up the passing game. It hurts me to see White being related to just being one dimensional. When it is evident that he is far more than just a runner . Maybe the light will come on this weekend for the offensive unit and we can open up the passing game but hope is eternal 🙏 White may become the best dual-threat QB we ever have, but right now he does not put fear in opponent's mind when it comes to passing in my opinion. It takes time to adjust from HS to college. That is why you should not give up on players too soon. All kids learn given time, just how fast.
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Post by A&T-roy on Oct 19, 2023 20:01:58 GMT -5
Sir, I understand English is not your first language but you still need to re-read the chapter on "understanding sarcasm and colloquialisms" before you interact with folks on this site. I think you're talking to me. If so, I understand both. Colloquialisms are easy to identify, but sarcasm can be difficult to identify in writing (letters, texts, etc.). You know that, right?
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Post by A&T-roy on Oct 19, 2023 20:03:51 GMT -5
Yes it does. Both you and Oleschoolaggie are saying the same thing about Yeager and his running abilities. What was Eli's injury? I knew he was redshirted, but I did not know it was due to injury. Brickhandler suffered a lower leg injury in 2022. IIRC, it was during the Duke game. And IMHO, that's probably partially why he looked the way he did against UAB and NCCU Brick got hurt during the 2022 SCSU game when we used 4 QBs.
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Post by saabman on Oct 19, 2023 20:22:11 GMT -5
"in my opinion", the reason i don't think we've seen the best of kj and brick this season is because our oc have not "simplified" the offense in a way that gives our qb's the best chance to be successful. in other words, our oc should "minimize" pass plays that require our qb to hold onto the ball in the pocket for a long time. that means "fewer" down field passes 20 yards or more down field. clearly, none of our qb's have "mastered" the skill of "quickly" going thru their progressions fast enuf to avoid sacks. that skillset will come over time as each qb develops, but it won't happen overnight. so why not give our qb's "quick reads" and "shorter passes"? even if the opposing defense doesn't give our receivers a 10 yard cushion or more, an oc can "create space" for a short pass to a receiver by the formations or shifts he calls or by putting dudes "in motion" (especially slot guys and rb's). that's how an oc can help out a qb who still hasn't mastered going thru multiple progressions quickly. qb passing is a lot like shooting a basketball. in basketball, if you see your shot go in the basket a couple times in a row even if its layups or close range shots, then it helps you to find your "shooting rhythm" and you become "more confident" to shoot longer range shots. same for a qb. if a qb completes several short passes in a row, it helps him to find his "passing rhythm" which gives him "more confidence" to complete intermediate and long passes. short passes require "quick reads" and sometimes, only one read cuz your primary receiver is often wide open depending on the play call... The QB's are choosing to hold on to the ball . Just go back and look at the games the flats have been open ,the TE's have been open ,the backs sliding out have been open . Yes we have vertical 20 yd routes but the underneath routes 5 10 and 15 have been open constantly in every game. Hell even at the Villanova game before they started throwing to the tight end and backs, the announcer pointed out that the underneath routes have been open all day, the same things were pointed out by the Delaware announcer quote why is he not throwing the underneath route hethose guys have been open the whole game end of quote. This came from the Delaware announcer . Go back and rewatch the games . You can count the underneath routes and 9 out of ten times those guys have been open . # 18 ran a quick slant in route White looked directly at him ,18 was open the first stride of the line but the ball wasn't thrown until the 5th stride and eve then the the tight end occupied the vacated area when the DB followed 18. That is not on the OC. I contribute that to white the youngman being young but this has happened too many times. Also when he started using the underneath routes and the tight end he moved the ball down the field because the Run game made them stack the Box and your tight end would chip block float out or drag across and he was open on almost every play. The Backs were open on almost every passing play. Our plays are simple plays being truthful our plays are borderline high school plays . You can't get any more simpler then that . Again I ask what's can the OC do . These are college kids that are not running basic fundamental routes and reads. Young made the adjustments routes wise but the ball is not getting out . Don't get it twisted there is appropriate blame to go around but you can't continue to blame the OC if the QB want let the ball fly or the receivers can't catch it when it is released. Also I'm not one to drop salt on a Young quarterback but you can not tell me that Young has not pointed the things I have mentioned too white in film study ..i.e just get the ball out to the open man . Also being a young QB White may not trust his ability to throw in a tight window because all a good receiver needs is a arms length or less , that is separation at this level and it's the QB job to put it into that small window . Hell it could be anything but I don't know what the OC can do to make this passing game anymore Elementary then it is .
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Post by planoaggie on Nov 4, 2023 20:30:51 GMT -5
Are we going to do this? We played 3 QBs today. I know that part was due to injury.
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 4, 2023 20:37:32 GMT -5
Are we going to do this? We played 3 QBs today. I know that part was due to injury. Brick needs more game action, he needs to gain experience too. First start vs a FBS team and a new staff is a recipe for disaster. The players are getting more comfortable in the new systems.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 4, 2023 21:04:41 GMT -5
At this point, it's about 2024. Give all QBs the same number of reps in practice and go with the hot hand for the next 2 weeks.
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Post by saabman on Nov 5, 2023 0:05:28 GMT -5
If Brown is not going to give Hooker a shot . I really don't care who he puts out there for the next two games . It's either going to be better or get worse.
I DONE !!!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 8, 2023 12:51:35 GMT -5
Two quarterback system last week produced the best offensive output of the season.
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Post by saabman on Nov 8, 2023 13:28:58 GMT -5
Two quarterback system last week produced the best offensive output of the season. That wasn't a two QB system. That was a player being ready to step up when his number was called..i.e next man up . Don't confuse the two .
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 8, 2023 14:04:36 GMT -5
We played two QBs and each played approximately half the game. We need to find a way to split reps like that on a regular basis.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 8, 2023 14:17:06 GMT -5
I stayed quiet on this one, but it kinda makes sense. Gives guys playing time and gives opposing teams more to have to deal with.
Of course it's a little late in the game to go with it...
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Post by saabman on Nov 8, 2023 19:25:28 GMT -5
We played two QBs and each played approximately half the game. We need to find a way to split reps like that on a regular basis. We played two because one got injured and couldn't return. Two QB systems work when you have two QB's with two distinctive athletic types that makes a defense decide to make adjustments..i.e Carter and Raynard. This is nothing but a next man up system. The question that should be asked now is who is the next man up ? In case both the starter and his back up go down..this weekend. Putting both at risk is a foolish thing to do when both have similar skills with the exception of one being faster than the other. Carter was a fullback playing quarterback that could also throw as well as he could run, Reynard had the arm but could run . Carter understood the role of a dual threat quarterback and would only run if it was necessary but knew how to manage the short mid routes, Raynard had the Deep ball arm and understood the middle to deep routes..i.e two QB system. Let's Just get through the season and try to keep both healthy. Don't start doing foolish things when things are looking brighter with only two games left. Because if it doesn't work the same ones asking for it are the same ones that will be calling for the OC's head even more 😆 .
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