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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 19, 2023 10:19:06 GMT -5
We'll also sign a Transfer Portal QB. Why do you say this when you have no idea what our recruiting strategy is and you haven't spoken to anyone on the coaching staff? How hard is it to just say "I hope" we sign a transfer portal QB.
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Post by A&T-roy on Oct 19, 2023 10:24:10 GMT -5
We'll also sign a Transfer Portal QB. Why do you say this when you have no idea what our recruiting strategy is and you haven't spoken to anyone on the coaching staff? How hard is it to just say "I hope" we sign a transfer portal QB. Thrilla - I KNOW you ain't tryin' take my job. There's a test you MUST pass before you can even sniff tryin'. P.S. Take your own advice!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 19, 2023 10:34:09 GMT -5
Sir, I understand English is not your first language but you still need to re-read the chapter on "understanding sarcasm and colloquialisms" before you interact with folks on this site.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 19, 2023 11:19:23 GMT -5
Why do you say this when you have no idea what our recruiting strategy is and you haven't spoken to anyone on the coaching staff? How hard is it to just say "I hope" we sign a transfer portal QB. Thrilla - I KNOW you ain't tryin' take my job. There's a test you MUST pass before you can even sniff tryin'. P.S. Take your own advice! He's just trying to be a pain in the a$$ because I won that award in 2022.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 19, 2023 11:44:07 GMT -5
All you have to say is "I hope we ..." or "I want us to ...".
Stop reporting your personal wishes as things that are about to happen.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2023 12:05:05 GMT -5
Is dual threat QB just a phrase that folks use for most QBs now a days? Every QB on our roster has been labeled as a dual threat and I see this recruit from Florida in the above link is a dual threat QB. If we believed the hype, then why do we keep saying that some of our QBs can't complete passes? Maybe it was something else that caused them to fail or did we do a bad job in evaluating their true skills? i don't think the term "dual threat qb" is just a catch phrase. it means in so many words that a qb is equally as threatening as a runner as well as a passer. kj is a major threat to "run" as well as to "pass". i think both brickhandler and hooker are also "dual threat" qb's, but i don't consider yeager a legitimate "dual threat" qb. because of rule changes that favor passing the football at the pro and college levels, as well as the modern day "acceptance" of running qb's, i believe dual threat qb's are more valuable than solely pocket passers or solely running qb's. dual threat qb's are "definitely" harder to defend than "one dimensional" qb's. so nowadays, some qb's (who would not normally have run the football back in the older days) now implement running into their games because they become more valuable by taking advantage of recent rule changes...
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Post by planoaggie on Oct 19, 2023 13:58:28 GMT -5
Is dual threat QB just a phrase that folks use for most QBs now a days? Every QB on our roster has been labeled as a dual threat and I see this recruit from Florida in the above link is a dual threat QB. If we believed the hype, then why do we keep saying that some of our QBs can't complete passes? Maybe it was something else that caused them to fail or did we do a bad job in evaluating their true skills? i don't think the term "dual threat qb" is just a catch phrase. it means in so many words that a qb is equally as threatening as a runner as well as a passer. kj is a major threat to "run" as well as to "pass". i think both brickhandler and hooker are also "dual threat" qb's, but i don't consider yeager a legitimate "dual threat" qb. because of rule changes that favor passing the football at the pro and college levels, as well as the modern day "acceptance" of running qb's, i believe dual threat qb's are more valuable than solely pocket passers or solely running qb's. dual threat qb's are "definitely" harder to defend than "one dimensional" qb's. so nowadays, some qb's (who would not normally have run the football back in the older days) now implement running into their games because they become more valuable by taking advantage of recent rule changes... If Yeager is not a "dual threat" QB, then what is he? A pocket QB or an option QB? I already knew the definition of dual threat, but if you are going to casually keep throwing it out there to label almost every QB as a dual threat QB, then what is the value of the phrase. If you run the ball 75% of the time and pass the ball 25% in HS are you a dual threat? What about 80/20% split? See where I am going? We have 4 so call "dual threat" QBs on our current football roster, but they are different. Then A&T-roy just posted a link of a dual-threat QB that committed to us. Should we be setting a redline that if you don't either pass the ball 30-40% of the time "and" run the ball 30-40% of the time then we don't consider you a dual threat QB for our football program? You can pick the percentage you feel is appropriate. I am just tired of hearing folks talk about how these dual threat QBs can't pass. By definition they should be capable of completing passes. White is even below 50% in completion. I don't care that he completed 80% of his passes in HS. What percentage of his total plays were passes to be labeled a dual threat QB? We need to start truly scrutinizing these claims. I am not criticizing White at all. I am asking questions about the entire process of how dual threat QB is defined and the impact on fan's expectations that don't follow football closely and take what is marketed to them.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2023 14:42:07 GMT -5
i don't think the term "dual threat qb" is just a catch phrase. it means in so many words that a qb is equally as threatening as a runner as well as a passer. kj is a major threat to "run" as well as to "pass". i think both brickhandler and hooker are also "dual threat" qb's, but i don't consider yeager a legitimate "dual threat" qb. because of rule changes that favor passing the football at the pro and college levels, as well as the modern day "acceptance" of running qb's, i believe dual threat qb's are more valuable than solely pocket passers or solely running qb's. dual threat qb's are "definitely" harder to defend than "one dimensional" qb's. so nowadays, some qb's (who would not normally have run the football back in the older days) now implement running into their games because they become more valuable by taking advantage of recent rule changes... If Yeager is not a "dual threat" QB, then what is he? A pocket QB or an option QB? I already knew the definition of dual threat, but if you are going to casually keep throwing it out there to label almost every QB as a dual threat QB, then what is the value of the phrase. If you run the ball 75% of the time and pass the ball 25% in HS are you a dual threat? What about 80/20% split? See where I am going? We have 4 so call "dual threat" QBs on our current football roster, but they are different. Then A&T-roy just posted a link of a dual-threat QB that committed to us. Should we be setting a redline that if you don't either pass the ball 30-40% of the time "and" run the ball 30-40% of the time then we don't consider you a dual threat QB for our football program? You can pick the percentage you feel is appropriate. I am just tired of hearing folks talk about how these dual threat QBs can't pass. By definition they should be capable of completing passes. White is even below 50% in completion. I don't care that he completed 80% of his passes in HS. What percentage of his total plays were passes to be labeled a dual threat QB? We need to start truly scrutinizing these claims. I am not criticizing White at all. I am asking questions about the entire process of how dual threat QB is defined and the impact on fan's expectations that don't follow football closely and take what is marketed to them. i really appreciate the questions you ask about this, hopefully i can help you out with this one. just my opinion, i don’t consider yeager a dual threat qb because he hasn’t proven that he’s a major “threat” running the football. i’ve seen instances of hooker and brick demonstrating that if you don’t pay attention to their abilities to run the football on passing downs, then both of them can hurt you with their legs. and gawd knows ya better not let kj outta the pocket. “any” qb can run the football and so can yeager. but to me, to be considered a “dual threat” qb, you must be able to “hurt” defenses with both your legs and your arm. i don’t see yeager being a “major threat” as a runner, nor was fowler. but both were capable of running just like “any” qb. it ain’t about how many times a qb runs the ball and it ain’t about the “percentages” relative to how much the qb passes versus how much he runs the football. instead, its about how “threatening” you are as a runner and passer. the qb may only run twice in a single football game, but if he gained large chunks of yardage (i.e., 20 yards or more) on those two carries, then he’s a “running threat” that the defense has to pay attention to. in other words, no one ever “feared” tom brady or joe montana as running threats, though both were capable of running. but defenses never had to worry about brady or montana “hurting” them with their legs for “large gains”. for that reason, both brady and montana were considered “pocket passers”, but i’m not prepared to label yeager as a “pocket passer” cuz i haven’t seen him hurt defenses with his “arm” from the pocket. shedeur sanders may go an entire game without running, but he’s still a “dual threat” qb cuz he could take it to the house from anywhere on the football field (just like kj) as well as hurt you with his arm. he just chooses not to run most of the time, but he’s more than capable. kj is a “major threat” to gain large chunks of yardage anytime he runs the ball and he’s also a very good passer. that’s what makes him a dual threat, not how many times he runs or throws the ball…
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Post by saabman on Oct 19, 2023 15:01:30 GMT -5
i don't think the term "dual threat qb" is just a catch phrase. it means in so many words that a qb is equally as threatening as a runner as well as a passer. kj is a major threat to "run" as well as to "pass". i think both brickhandler and hooker are also "dual threat" qb's, but i don't consider yeager a legitimate "dual threat" qb. because of rule changes that favor passing the football at the pro and college levels, as well as the modern day "acceptance" of running qb's, i believe dual threat qb's are more valuable than solely pocket passers or solely running qb's. dual threat qb's are "definitely" harder to defend than "one dimensional" qb's. so nowadays, some qb's (who would not normally have run the football back in the older days) now implement running into their games because they become more valuable by taking advantage of recent rule changes... If Yeager is not a "dual threat" QB, then what is he? A pocket QB or an option QB? I already knew the definition of dual threat, but if you are going to casually keep throwing it out there to label almost every QB as a dual threat QB, then what is the value of the phrase. If you run the ball 75% of the time and pass the ball 25% in HS are you a dual threat? What about 80/20% split? See where I am going? We have 4 so call "dual threat" QBs on our current football roster, but they are different. Then A&T-roy just posted a link of a dual-threat QB that committed to us. Should we be setting a redline that if you don't either pass the ball 30-40% of the time "and" run the ball 30-40% of the time then we don't consider you a dual threat QB for our football program? You can pick the percentage you feel is appropriate. I am just tired of hearing folks talk about how these dual threat QBs can't pass. By definition they should be capable of completing passes. White is even below 50% in completion. I don't care that he completed 80% of his passes in HS. What percentage of his total plays were passes to be labeled a dual threat QB? We need to start truly scrutinizing these claims. I am not criticizing White at all. I am asking questions about the entire process of how dual threat QB is defined and the impact on fan's expectations that don't follow football closely and take what is marketed to them. PA stop reaching please just stop . Back in the day they where called "Running QB's " . They are nothing new . Just a label naming change . A&T has had only one true Dual threat QB until White showed up and that was Carter (Hooker also) . Carter could pass just as effectively from the pocket as he could run or pass on the move, but Carter had receivers that accommodated his ability. Raynard was a pocket passer that could run if need be . Yeager like Fowler were pocket passers but not effective at running. Eli came in as a Dual threat which he showed before his injury and has yet to return to his old self . Yeager just haven't developed at either and Hooker has not been given the opportunity because he is the closest to White but without the vertical speed from what he showed last season as a backup to Fowler. In saying that we will never know because they want play him . Dual threat/running QB's are as much likely to run the ball as they are to throw it and has the ability to extend plays with there legs and arms . Also this is for all QB's . A QB is only as good has his receivers, and a OC is only as good as his trust in the receivers to catch the Ball in routes. Dose that help any .
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Post by planoaggie on Oct 19, 2023 15:06:09 GMT -5
If Yeager is not a "dual threat" QB, then what is he? A pocket QB or an option QB? I already knew the definition of dual threat, but if you are going to casually keep throwing it out there to label almost every QB as a dual threat QB, then what is the value of the phrase. If you run the ball 75% of the time and pass the ball 25% in HS are you a dual threat? What about 80/20% split? See where I am going? We have 4 so call "dual threat" QBs on our current football roster, but they are different. Then A&T-roy just posted a link of a dual-threat QB that committed to us. Should we be setting a redline that if you don't either pass the ball 30-40% of the time "and" run the ball 30-40% of the time then we don't consider you a dual threat QB for our football program? You can pick the percentage you feel is appropriate. I am just tired of hearing folks talk about how these dual threat QBs can't pass. By definition they should be capable of completing passes. White is even below 50% in completion. I don't care that he completed 80% of his passes in HS. What percentage of his total plays were passes to be labeled a dual threat QB? We need to start truly scrutinizing these claims. I am not criticizing White at all. I am asking questions about the entire process of how dual threat QB is defined and the impact on fan's expectations that don't follow football closely and take what is marketed to them. i really appreciate the questions you ask about this, hopefully i can help you out with this one. just my opinion, i don’t consider yeager a dual threat qb because he hasn’t proven that he’s a major “threat” running the football. i’ve seen instances of hooker and brick demonstrating that if you don’t pay attention to their abilities to run the football on passing downs, then both of them can hurt you with their legs. and gawd knows ya better not let kj outta the pocket. “any” qb can run the football and so can yeager. but to me, to be considered a “dual threat” qb, you must be able to “hurt” defenses with both your legs and your arm. i don’t see yeager being a “major threat” as a runner, nor was fowler. but both were capable of running just like “any” qb. it ain’t about how many times a qb runs the ball and it ain’t about the “percentages” relative to how much the qb passes versus how much he runs the football. instead, its about how “threatening” you are as a runner and passer. the qb may only run twice in a single football game, but if he gained large chunks of yardage (i.e., 20 yards or more) on those two carries, then he’s a “running threat” that the defense has to pay attention to. in other words, no one ever “feared” tom brady or joe montana as running threats, though both were capable of running. but defenses never had to worry about brady or montana “hurting” them with their legs for “large gains”. for that reason, both brady and montana were considered “pocket passers”, but i’m not prepared to label yeager as a “pocket passer” cuz i haven’t seen him hurt defenses with his “arm” from the pocket. shedeur sanders may go an entire game without running, but he’s still a “dual threat” qb cuz he could take it to the house from anywhere on the football field (just like kj) as well as hurt you with his arm. he just chooses not to run most of the time, but he’s more than capable. kj is a “major threat” to gain large chunks of yardage anytime he runs the ball and he’s also a very good passer. that’s what makes him a dual threat, not how many times he runs or throws the ball… You have explained your position to my satisfaction. You have more experience than I on Yeager abilities. Thanks.
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Post by planoaggie on Oct 19, 2023 15:10:45 GMT -5
If Yeager is not a "dual threat" QB, then what is he? A pocket QB or an option QB? I already knew the definition of dual threat, but if you are going to casually keep throwing it out there to label almost every QB as a dual threat QB, then what is the value of the phrase. If you run the ball 75% of the time and pass the ball 25% in HS are you a dual threat? What about 80/20% split? See where I am going? We have 4 so call "dual threat" QBs on our current football roster, but they are different. Then A&T-roy just posted a link of a dual-threat QB that committed to us. Should we be setting a redline that if you don't either pass the ball 30-40% of the time "and" run the ball 30-40% of the time then we don't consider you a dual threat QB for our football program? You can pick the percentage you feel is appropriate. I am just tired of hearing folks talk about how these dual threat QBs can't pass. By definition they should be capable of completing passes. White is even below 50% in completion. I don't care that he completed 80% of his passes in HS. What percentage of his total plays were passes to be labeled a dual threat QB? We need to start truly scrutinizing these claims. I am not criticizing White at all. I am asking questions about the entire process of how dual threat QB is defined and the impact on fan's expectations that don't follow football closely and take what is marketed to them. PA stop reaching please just stop . Back in the day they where called "Running QB's " . They are nothing new . Just a label naming change . A&T has had only one true Dual threat QB until White showed up and that was Carter (Hooker also) . Carter could pass just as effectively from the pocket as he could run or pass on the move, but Carter had receivers that accommodated his ability. Raynard was a pocket passer that could run if need be . Yeager like Fowler were pocket passers but not effective at running. Eli came in as a Dual threat which he showed before his injury and has yet to return to his old self . Yeager just haven't developed at either and Hooker has not been given the opportunity because he is the closest to White but without the vertical speed from what he showed last season as a backup to Fowler. In saying that we will never know because they want play him . Dual threat/running QB's are as much likely to run the ball as they are to throw it and has the ability to extend plays with there legs and arms . Also this is for all QB's . A QB is only as good has his receivers, and a OC is only as good as his trust in the receivers to catch the Ball in routes. Dose that help any . Yes it does. Both you and Oleschoolaggie are saying the same thing about Yeager and his running abilities. What was Eli's injury? I knew he was redshirted, but I did not know it was due to injury. Blame my reaching on A&T-roy 😆. After looking at the QB recruit link he posted and I saw that he was a dual-threat QB, I wanted to know if he would be a good or better replacement for Eli or Yeager if they transferred. To my surprise, all our QBs were labeled dual-threat QB but they had vastly different skills. This prompt my question for legitimate understanding of what others think. I have actually coached a true dual-threat QB as you described above and I have not seen a dual-threat QB on A&T"s roster to date. White comes close, but he has to complete more passes to show me he is a good passer to cause me as an opposing coach to be worried. A strong arm does not cut it.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 19, 2023 15:14:46 GMT -5
PA stop reaching please just stop . Back in the day they where called "Running QB's " . They are nothing new . Just a label naming change . A&T has had only one true Dual threat QB until White showed up and that was Carter (Hooker also) . Carter could pass just as effectively from the pocket as he could run or pass on the move, but Carter had receivers that accommodated his ability. Raynard was a pocket passer that could run if need be . Yeager like Fowler were pocket passers but not effective at running. Eli came in as a Dual threat which he showed before his injury and has yet to return to his old self . Yeager just haven't developed at either and Hooker has not been given the opportunity because he is the closest to White but without the vertical speed from what he showed last season as a backup to Fowler. In saying that we will never know because they want play him . Dual threat/running QB's are as much likely to run the ball as they are to throw it and has the ability to extend plays with there legs and arms . Also this is for all QB's . A QB is only as good has his receivers, and a OC is only as good as his trust in the receivers to catch the Ball in routes. Dose that help any . Yes it does. Both you and Oleschoolaggie are saying the same thing about Yeager and his running abilities. What was Eli's injury? I knew he was redshirted, but I did not know it was due to injury. Brickhandler suffered a lower leg injury in 2022. IIRC, it was during the Duke game. And IMHO, that's probably partially why he looked the way he did against UAB and NCCU
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 19, 2023 15:15:19 GMT -5
Fun fact: before Kevin White's 65 yard touchdown run against NSU, Yeager had the longest run from scrimmage by any quarterback on the current roster.
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Post by planoaggie on Oct 19, 2023 15:20:40 GMT -5
Yes it does. Both you and Oleschoolaggie are saying the same thing about Yeager and his running abilities. What was Eli's injury? I knew he was redshirted, but I did not know it was due to injury. Brickhandler suffered a lower leg injury in 2022. IIRC, it was during the Duke game. And IMHO, that's probably partially why he looked the way he did against UAB and NCCU Thanks. Then we don't really know what he is capable of.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2023 16:21:32 GMT -5
Fun fact: before Kevin White's 65 yard touchdown run against NSU, Yeager had the longest run from scrimmage by any quarterback on the current roster. not really surprising because yeager has played more than any other qb on our roster, though kj may have caught up with yeager by now in terms of playing time...
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