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Post by Maxell on Oct 30, 2006 11:02:27 GMT -5
It pains me that people we hire in the athletics department almost always do well everywhere except 1601 E. Market. Does anybody else notice that? That's befuddling to me also. Particularly Brick, Berry & Lee. BTW, how the hell is Brick doing what he's doing at JCSU? I think you hit the nail when you talk about re-creating a winning culture. Let's face it. for most of our history, football has always been mediocre. Basketball had 10-12 year period of dominance but for the most part the school has not bought into creating an athletic PROGRAM. If the change is going to start at all, it will start with the chancellor. The AD has to have a vision and the skills to carry it out but university(the chancellor) has to be committed to winning. We will shortly see what our new one's position is on athletics and will he/she make any sweeping changes in the the we operate.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 30, 2006 11:06:54 GMT -5
Check your pm Max.
Brick's doing what he's doing at JCSU with money. The alumni got tired of losing and let the Chancellor know it.
I think we've bought into the idea of creating an athletic program just like Small bought into the idea of creating a dominating football program, but just like Small we just to date have no earthly idea how to properly implement it.
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Post by captaggie on Oct 30, 2006 11:35:55 GMT -5
Maxell,
I would add the board of trustees. HBCU trustees tend to micromanage more than they should, even more so with visible departments/programs. I believe these three haven't been in synch at A&T for years and we're seeing the effects of it.
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Post by DECKS on Oct 30, 2006 11:50:59 GMT -5
The administration increased the scholarships from 15 to 23 which is still below the CIAA average and Brick has bought in a lot of transfers, which is something JCSU has'nt done in the past. Brick also pushed for and received a higher budget to primarily increase the salaries of his assistant coaches. To do this they shifted thier athletic budget more towards football which is kinda what Ms. Todd is doing for us. One thing that is eerily similar to our situation is Brick inherited a depleted team last season and went 0-10 but bounced back this season and is now sitting at 7-2. On another note it took a letter written to the Charlotte Post and Charlotte Observer by an influential alumnus and former board member to put enough pressure on the president to change her opinion on football. Here's a link to that article which I think was published about two or threee years ago. www.thecharlottepost.com/10_28_editorials2.html
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Post by DECKS on Oct 30, 2006 12:08:22 GMT -5
Actually that wasn't the letter that started the ball rolling. The original one was a lot more critical of the administration. Bottom line it took an influential board member who is a well respected member of the community to lead the charge for change.
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Post by JayBee on Oct 30, 2006 12:23:20 GMT -5
Actually that wasn't the letter that started the ball rolling. The original one was a lot more critical of the administration. Bottom line it took an influential board member who is a well respected member of the community to lead the charge for change. I wonder if we have anyone like that on our board?
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Post by Maxell on Oct 30, 2006 12:28:40 GMT -5
Sure there is. This is a prime example of what I mean when I say it takes a leadership decision from the chancellor and the BOT to turn the program around. Not just coaches and ADs.
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Post by JayBee on Oct 30, 2006 12:41:09 GMT -5
Sure there is. This is a prime example of what I mean when I say it takes a leadership decision from the chancellor and the BOT to turn the program around. Not just coaches and ADs. Since that's the case, then Dooms' letter, or better still our letters, should go to the BOT!
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Post by dj98 on Oct 30, 2006 20:25:01 GMT -5
(Once and for all you ignorant coons need to quit blaming Small for every damn thing that's happened to this program. This simply is not his fault. The reason we will stay mired in crap is because we continue to point fingers at people that can't do anything about the current situation. Point a got damn finger at the people whose job it is NOW.)
Small never took responsibility in the past, do you think he will take responsibility now. Now I agree that the people who are coaching RIGHT now need to step up and get in someone's face and let them know that they need to play with pride these last couple of games. None of the players are scard of these coaches. Hayes is 6-4 260. He used his size to scare players into leaving it all on the field or else face the wrath of Wild Bill. Personally Fobbs should run the H@*& out them boys until the weak quits. We need to weed out the weak and keep the ones who leave it all out on the field period. Give the free ride to the players who deserve it. Small did not do it and Fobbs is defenitley not doing it. There is no reason we should'nt at least get two to four wins. We need someone to bring the talent out of our players. I coach baseball at Cary High School, I had four to five players who had the all around skill but they thought they where the best in the state I needed the whole team to step up before we as a whole could turn the program around, I teach basics first before the other stuff but the team I inherited needed to be broken down, then builted back up. The hill opposite to the baseball field was my best friend besides the Varsity coach and my assistant. The hill cut down on errors, the hill made the players respect me a whole lot more, the hill got my players in much better shape. Some days I had to scream and curse at the players but they turned the season around and they are looking foward to playing for me next year.(Record 5-15 to 10 and 10). The moral of the story is I'm 5-8 170, I used the hill to bring the best out of my players. Fobbs needs to find a way to do the same thing. I know we are talking about two different sports but it can be done if responsibility is taken between the PLAYERS and COACHES period.
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Post by Maxell on Oct 30, 2006 21:00:26 GMT -5
What you say is true...but Fobbs can't effectively be OC, DC and HC. But that's essentially what he has had to do this year. You don't have the luxury to learn on the job in D-I football, especially three jobs. Coaching at this level is more than hollering and screaming(although that helps). He'll be OK next year if he: (1)gets a real DC (2)has a good recruiting year (3)gets support(resources he needs) from the new chancellor. The other coaches in the league knew what he was facing this year. That's why we were picked last. There are only 2 senior starters and 2 freshman QBs. There were also several sophomores(on the defensive side of the ball) who redshirted this year due to academics. We now have an experienced S&C coach. There will be no excuses next year and they will be much better. In the meantime, we are understandably frustrated.
All three of the items above need to occur.
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Post by dj98 on Oct 30, 2006 21:16:16 GMT -5
What you say is true...but Fobbs can't effectively be OC, DC and HC. (1)gets a real DC (2)has a good recruiting year (3)gets support(resources he needs) from the new chancellor.
Wow, how did that happen, He's the OC, HC and DC. No one else could have stepped up an take some of the pressure off his plate.
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 30, 2006 22:27:05 GMT -5
What you say is true...but Fobbs can't effectively be OC, DC and HC. But that's essentially what he has had to do this year. You don't have the luxury to learn on the job in D-I football, especially three jobs. Coaching at this level is more than hollering and screaming(although that helps). He'll be OK next year if he: (1)gets a real DC (2)has a good recruiting year (3)gets support(resources he needs) from the new chancellor. The other coaches in the league knew what he was facing this year. That's why we were picked last. There are only 2 senior starters and 2 freshman QBs. There were also several sophomores(on the defensive side of the ball) who redshirted this year due to academics. We now have an experienced S&C coach. There will be no excuses next year and they will be much better. In the meantime, we are understandably frustrated. All three of the items above need to occur.1.) . . .and a real OC and a solid evaluation of the current staff, dude sounds like he knows what he doing, right now he’s to deep into the details to plan. 2.) . . . he's gonna have to win with players he got. Expecting to have a solid recruiting class this year is beyond optimistic. 3.) . . . that’s our only hope, and I hope he has some external money bags to bring with him.
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Post by Maxell on Oct 30, 2006 23:22:20 GMT -5
Why is #2 optimistic? If he can't get a solid class, he shouldn't be coaching. He's only has room for 10-15 guys. He should be able to get that.
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 31, 2006 0:18:26 GMT -5
Why is #2 optimistic? If he can't get a solid class, he shouldn't be coaching. He's only has room for 10-15 guys. He should be able to get that. Solid in quality of talent, not in quantity of scholarships accepted. He’ll get players but do really think players (winners) will want to come to our program or will they be at a talent level greater than the current players? Our program is a hard sell right now. Where do think we rank in a recruiting war with these guys; Bill Hayes (Rod Broadway), Brick McNeil, Jerry Moore, Pete Lembo or even Waverly Tillar? This doesn’t include the MEAC schools that are always sniffing around our front yard, like Hampton, Howard, SCSU. If he can pull off a solid class then we are on our way, not likely though.
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Post by bluehaze on Oct 31, 2006 8:22:46 GMT -5
Why is #2 optimistic? If he can't get a solid class, he shouldn't be coaching. He's only has room for 10-15 guys. He should be able to get that. Solid in quality of talent, not in quantity of scholarships accepted. He’ll get players but do really think players (winners) will want to come to our program or will they be at a talent level greater than the current players? Our program is a hard sell right now. Where do think we rank in a recruiting war with these guys; Bill Hayes (Rod Broadway), Brick McNeil, Jerry Moore, Pete Lembo or even Waverly Tillar? This doesn’t include the MEAC schools that are always sniffing around our front yard, like Hampton, Howard, SCSU. If he can pull off a solid class then we are on our way, not likely though. Gotta agree with this sentiment. Especially since he has no ties to NC. Stewart will help in that regard, but I'm not expecting a great class of high school players. I'm hoping he goes more along the lines that Webster did at TSU. They went 2-9 his first season. He fired his co-ordinators after the first year and he hit the transfers hard using his connections from the Southeastern States. Hopefully Fobbs will do the same with his MidWest contacts.
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