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Post by A&T-roy on Feb 4, 2023 17:59:31 GMT -5
The coach would have to have been VERY successful as a HC in a conference rated as high or higher than the CAA in order for me to pay him more than our FB HC as a starting salary.
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 4, 2023 18:16:46 GMT -5
The coach would have to have been VERY successful as a HC in a conference rated as high or higher than the CAA in order for me to pay him more than our FB HC as a starting salary. I guess that is why I am the sole voter on >$500K. I am thinking A&T is only targeting an extraordinary coach for hire based on the amount of time the AD and Chancellor have to make the best decision and the length of time other posters have claimed A&T has gone without a really good coach (non-interim promotion). Otherwise, I would vote for $400K-$500K. I believe if A&T had longer to search for a football coach they would have hired differently and paid a higher salary. Just my opinion. |
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Post by aggie2039 on Feb 4, 2023 18:41:35 GMT -5
The coach would have to have been VERY successful as a HC in a conference rated as high or higher than the CAA in order for me to pay him more than our FB HC as a starting salary. I guess that is why I am the sole voter on >$500K. I am thinking A&T is only targeting an extraordinary coach for hire based on the amount of time the AD and Chancellor have to make the best decision and the length of time other posters have claimed A&T has gone without a really good coach (non-interim promotion). Otherwise, I would vote for $400K-$500K. I believe if A&T had longer to search for a football coach they would have hired differently and paid a higher salary. Just my opinion. The AD stated Brown was his number 1 choice and first phone call. A&T doesn’t rush decisions based on time, see the fact that we have an interim coach in basketball…they could have rushed a hire. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 4, 2023 19:24:21 GMT -5
the salary of our coach should not depend on the salary of other coaches. instead, it should depend on the qualifications of the coach and a&t's budget. for example, i would expect that a coach being hired directly from the high school/aau ranks who has little to no experience coaching at the d1 level would be offered a lot less than a coach who has d1 head coaching experience... Oleschoolaggie, you are correct that when considering what to pay a coach that his past experience and production should be looked at first, but I disagree with you that salaries of fellow conference coaches do not matter. Who is going to take a SEC HC football job that is paying CAA HC money? Would a new UNC basketball coach not be looking at how much the Duke or NCSU coach is paid? Of course they would in contact negotiations. Again, any good coach would have to satisfy the requirements you mentioned first to even be considered for the job. That to me is a default in this salary poll. please re-read my post. i stated that it shouldn't "depend" on the salary of other coaches and it shouldn't. a&t should have its own "budget" for the head basketball coach's salary, there should be an a&t "minimum" salary and there should be an a&t "maximum" salary that a&t is willing to pay. the actual salary should fall somewhere "in between" based on the qualifications of the coach. to establish a&t's budget for the coach's salary, my assumption is that a&t has already evaluated the salaries of peer institutions for similar positions. so when hiring a new head coach, there should be no need to consider other coaches' salaries. that's how you wind up over paying. establish a "budget" and stick with it... |
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Post by saabman on Feb 4, 2023 19:41:59 GMT -5
Well the players are definitely using it too their advantage to shop around. This is a different generation so you are sometimes caught off guard with what people are asking or doing. I heard someone bid $100K on some sand Tom Brady sat on making his retirement announcement. I know nothing about what these coaches are negotiating. Just pure speculation on my part. "Just pur speculation " as we all are 😆🤣😂 |
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 4, 2023 20:15:00 GMT -5
I guess that is why I am the sole voter on >$500K. I am thinking A&T is only targeting an extraordinary coach for hire based on the amount of time the AD and Chancellor have to make the best decision and the length of time other posters have claimed A&T has gone without a really good coach (non-interim promotion). Otherwise, I would vote for $400K-$500K. I believe if A&T had longer to search for a football coach they would have hired differently and paid a higher salary. Just my opinion. The AD stated Brown was his number 1 choice and first phone call. A&T doesn’t rush decisions based on time, see the fact that we have an interim coach in basketball…they could have rushed a hire. My bad assumption on that then. I thought they were in a rush to hire a coach to avoid losing players in the transfer portal and not miss out on recruiting period. |
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 4, 2023 20:17:30 GMT -5
Oleschoolaggie, you are correct that when considering what to pay a coach that his past experience and production should be looked at first, but I disagree with you that salaries of fellow conference coaches do not matter. Who is going to take a SEC HC football job that is paying CAA HC money? Would a new UNC basketball coach not be looking at how much the Duke or NCSU coach is paid? Of course they would in contact negotiations. Again, any good coach would have to satisfy the requirements you mentioned first to even be considered for the job. That to me is a default in this salary poll. please re-read my post. i stated that it shouldn't "depend" on the salary of other coaches and it shouldn't. a&t should have its own "budget" for the head basketball coach's salary, there should be an a&t "minimum" salary and there should be an a&t "maximum" salary that a&t is willing to pay. the actual salary should fall somewhere "in between" based on the qualifications of the coach. to establish a&t's budget for the coach's salary, my assumption is that a&t has already evaluated the salaries of peer institutions for similar positions. so when hiring a new head coach, there should be no need to consider other coaches' salaries. that's how you wind up over paying. establish a "budget" and stick with it... Ok. |
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Post by aggie94 on Feb 4, 2023 20:32:10 GMT -5
The coach would have to have been VERY successful as a HC in a conference rated as high or higher than the CAA in order for me to pay him more than our FB HC as a starting salary. Agreed |
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Post by jbrob on Feb 4, 2023 21:15:01 GMT -5
Are there experienced assistants that could make Shumpert a better coach? Or install a better offense? Invest in the staff.
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 4, 2023 21:23:41 GMT -5
Are there experienced assistants that could make Shumpert a better coach? Or install a better offense? Invest in the staff. It typically does not work that way in college basketball. The head coach usually has a system he like to run and then hires coaches that is familiar with running his system or willing to learn his system. Now in NFL football a head coach may hire an offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator to run a system he is familiar with but trust the coordinator more to call plays. I hope I understand your question. |
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Post by jbrob on Feb 4, 2023 22:01:56 GMT -5
Are there experienced assistants that could make Shumpert a better coach? Or install a better offense? Invest in the staff. That typically does not work that way in college basketball. The head coach usually has a system he like to run and then hires coaches that is familiar with running his system or willing to learn his system. Now in NFL football a head coach may hire an offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator to run a system he is familiar with but trust the coordinator more to call plays. I hope I understand your question. Yes. Like a Tex Winter in the NBA. I'm not sure what Cy Alexander's situation is at Alcorn State. Just a thought. |
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 4, 2023 22:14:51 GMT -5
It typically does not work that way in college basketball. The head coach usually has a system he like to run and then hires coaches that is familiar with running his system or willing to learn his system. Now in NFL football a head coach may hire an offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator to run a system he is familiar with but trust the coordinator more to call plays. I hope I understand your question. Yes. Like a Tex Winter in the NBA. I'm not sure what Cy Alexander's situation is at Alcorn State. Just a thought. There are rare occasions a head coach may run a system an associate coach may know better than him in college basketball. If a head coach has been fired or release to where they can't find another head coaching job then he may join a coaching staff of a friend or colleague head coach for a year or two. During that time he can share his knowledge of how he did things as a head coach. But the head coach has to be receptive to taking a former head coach advise. |
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Post by 82hawk on Feb 5, 2023 17:27:08 GMT -5
We by no means pay the most in the conference. Having been through several coaches, with some stupid contracts, what Siddle has is now pretty standard for the men's basketball contract at UNCW. Decent base pay with a lot of incentives. $300k base. Team APR score over 960 ($5,000 -- Same) Participation in NCAA Tournament games ($25,000 each game, up from $15,000 per game) CAA regular-season championships ($15,000, up from $10,000) CAA tournament championships ($25,000, up from $15,000) At-large selection to National Invitational Tournament ($15,000, new) Top 60 NCAA NET Ranking on Selection Sunday ($15,000, new) A two-tiered incentive for season tickets sold. If UNCW passes 2,000, Siddle receives $5,000. If UNCW passes 2,500, he receives $10,000 (new) www.starnewsonline.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2022/04/22/uncw-mens-basketball-coach-takayo-siddle-contract-extension/7415680001/ |
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 5, 2023 18:41:16 GMT -5
We by no means pay the most in the conference. Having been through several coaches, with some stupid contracts, what Siddle has is now pretty standard for the men's basketball contract at UNCW. Decent base pay with a lot of incentives. $300k base. Team APR score over 960 ($5,000 -- Same) Participation in NCAA Tournament games ($25,000 each game, up from $15,000 per game) CAA regular-season championships ($15,000, up from $10,000) CAA tournament championships ($25,000, up from $15,000) At-large selection to National Invitational Tournament ($15,000, new) Top 60 NCAA NET Ranking on Selection Sunday ($15,000, new) A two-tiered incentive for season tickets sold. If UNCW passes 2,000, Siddle receives $5,000. If UNCW passes 2,500, he receives $10,000 (new) www.starnewsonline.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2022/04/22/uncw-mens-basketball-coach-takayo-siddle-contract-extension/7415680001/ Thanks for some recent CAA coach salary for comparison. The UNCW coach is getting >$500K/yr. The $200K/yr supplement pay is easy for him to achieve every year as long as there are no NCAA rule violations. The other incentives are just more money more money. The biggest unknown is what kind of adjustment you should make due to them not having a football program. There is no need for cost of living adjustment, since university is in NC. Let's see if this updated information sways anyone to change their opinion. If others have recent information, please share. This is just a fun poll for me, since I have no say so in the hiring of a coach or his salary. I am surprised that we don't have more participation in the voting. |
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Post by aggie2039 on Feb 5, 2023 19:00:18 GMT -5
We by no means pay the most in the conference. Having been through several coaches, with some stupid contracts, what Siddle has is now pretty standard for the men's basketball contract at UNCW. Decent base pay with a lot of incentives. $300k base. Team APR score over 960 ($5,000 -- Same) Participation in NCAA Tournament games ($25,000 each game, up from $15,000 per game) CAA regular-season championships ($15,000, up from $10,000) CAA tournament championships ($25,000, up from $15,000) At-large selection to National Invitational Tournament ($15,000, new) Top 60 NCAA NET Ranking on Selection Sunday ($15,000, new) A two-tiered incentive for season tickets sold. If UNCW passes 2,000, Siddle receives $5,000. If UNCW passes 2,500, he receives $10,000 (new) www.starnewsonline.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2022/04/22/uncw-mens-basketball-coach-takayo-siddle-contract-extension/7415680001/ Thanks for some recent CAA coach salary for comparison. The UNCW coach is getting >$500K/yr. The $200K/yr supplement pay is easy for him to achieve every year as long as there are no NCAA rule violations. The other incentives are just more money more money. The biggest unknown is what kind of adjustment you should make due to them not having a football program. There is no need for cost of living adjustment since university is in NC. Let's see if this updated information sways anyone to change their opinion. If others have recent information, please share. This is just a fun poll for me since I have no say so in the hiring of a coach or his salary. Sir, How is winning a CAA Championship easy to achieve? How is receiving a NIT invite easy? That means the team has to finish no lower than third in a conference of 15 teams. A NCAA Net ranking of 60 or lower is not easy...CoC is 21-3 and the NCAA Net ranking is 62. Next closest CAA team is at 92. They put some stretch goals in there as incentives. |
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