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Post by planoaggie on Feb 5, 2023 19:04:48 GMT -5
Thanks for some recent CAA coach salary for comparison. The UNCW coach is getting >$500K/yr. The $200K/yr supplement pay is easy for him to achieve every year as long as there are no NCAA rule violations. The other incentives are just more money more money. The biggest unknown is what kind of adjustment you should make due to them not having a football program. There is no need for cost of living adjustment since university is in NC. Let's see if this updated information sways anyone to change their opinion. If others have recent information, please share. This is just a fun poll for me since I have no say so in the hiring of a coach or his salary. Sir, How is winning a CAA Championship easy to achieve? How is receiving a NIT invite easy? That means the team has to finish no lower than third in a conference of 15 teams. A NCAA Net ranking of 60 or lower is not easy...CoC is 21-3 and the NCAA Net ranking is 62. Next closest CAA team is at 92. They put some stretch goals in there as incentives. What you described is difficult to achieve, but those are not the criteria for the $200K supplement pay. Look under supplement pay in the linked article. |
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Post by aggie2039 on Feb 5, 2023 19:08:40 GMT -5
Sir, How is winning a CAA Championship easy to achieve? How is receiving a NIT invite easy? That means the team has to finish no lower than third in a conference of 15 teams. A NCAA Net ranking of 60 or lower is not easy...CoC is 21-3 and the NCAA Net ranking is 62. Next closest CAA team is at 92. They put some stretch goals in there as incentives. What you described is difficult to achieve, but those are not the criteria for the $200K supplement pay. Look under supplement pay in the linked article. Copy, Siddle also has an opportunity for supplemental income on top of his base salary, by meeting a set of four requirements. Completion of 16 weekly radio and TV show appearances Minimum of 10 appearances at Seahawk Club or alumni events Maintaining proper compliance with CAA and NCAA regulations A .500 record or better in CAA conference games I wonder who pays this? It seems as if it may be the boosters... |
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 5, 2023 19:17:25 GMT -5
What you described is difficult to achieve, but those are not the criteria for the $200K supplement pay. Look under supplement pay in the linked article. Copy, Siddle also has an opportunity for supplemental income on top of his base salary, by meeting a set of four requirements. Completion of 16 weekly radio and TV show appearances Minimum of 10 appearances at Seahawk Club or alumni events Maintaining proper compliance with CAA and NCAA regulations A .500 record or better in CAA conference games I wonder who pays this? It seems as if it may be the boosters... Good question 🤔. The College of Charleston coach is getting >$600K/year if you add incentives, but this is another non-football school. One poster said these were outliers and provided some salaries for other coaches in the CAA, but he has not replied to my questions as to how current is the info or if there are incentives/bonuses/supplements. Any information is helpful in figuring out what is the market value for CAA coaches, especially what we believe is a good coach. |
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Post by A&T-roy on Feb 5, 2023 21:22:59 GMT -5
The coach would have to have been VERY successful as a HC in a conference rated as high or higher than the CAA in order for me to pay him more than our FB HC as a starting salary. I guess that is why I am the sole voter on >$500K. I am thinking A&T is only targeting an extraordinary coach for hire based on the amount of time the AD and Chancellor have to make the best decision and the length of time other posters have claimed A&T has gone without a really good coach (non-interim promotion). Otherwise, I would vote for $400K-$500K. I believe if A&T had longer to search for a football coach they would have hired differently and paid a higher salary. Just my opinion. I'm gonna almost guarantee you that we're not gonna get or pay a basketball coach more than the highest revenue generating sport's HC (Football)...especially not 400-500k. The basketball coach would have to come in and do things similar to what Ross did with T&F to surpass the FB coach's pay. |
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Post by A&T-roy on Feb 5, 2023 21:32:47 GMT -5
What you described is difficult to achieve, but those are not the criteria for the $200K supplement pay. Look under supplement pay in the linked article. Copy, Siddle also has an opportunity for supplemental income on top of his base salary, by meeting a set of four requirements. Completion of 16 weekly radio and TV show appearances Minimum of 10 appearances at Seahawk Club or alumni events Maintaining proper compliance with CAA and NCAA regulations A .500 record or better in CAA conference games I wonder who pays this? It seems as if it may be the boosters... Wow - 16 weekly radio and TV show appearances And I don't believe a .500 record or better is necessarily easy. |
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 5, 2023 23:33:26 GMT -5
Copy, Siddle also has an opportunity for supplemental income on top of his base salary, by meeting a set of four requirements. Completion of 16 weekly radio and TV show appearances Minimum of 10 appearances at Seahawk Club or alumni events Maintaining proper compliance with CAA and NCAA regulations A .500 record or better in CAA conference games I wonder who pays this? It seems as if it may be the boosters... Wow - 16 weekly radio and TV show appearances And I don't believe a .500 record or better is necessarily easy. No, a 0.500 record is not easy, but if you are a good coach and you run a successful basketball program, then it may be easy most years. Last year, UNCW won 0.75 overall and 0.833 in the conference. This year they are 0.75 overall and 0.76 in the conference with 6 games left. If UNCW loses all 6 remaining regular season games, they finish 0.61 overall and 0.500 in the conference. I believe the UNCW coach likes those odds. |
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 5, 2023 23:42:41 GMT -5
I guess that is why I am the sole voter on >$500K. I am thinking A&T is only targeting an extraordinary coach for hire based on the amount of time the AD and Chancellor have to make the best decision and the length of time other posters have claimed A&T has gone without a really good coach (non-interim promotion). Otherwise, I would vote for $400K-$500K. I believe if A&T had longer to search for a football coach they would have hired differently and paid a higher salary. Just my opinion. I'm gonna almost guarantee you that we're not gonna get or pay a basketball coach more than the highest revenue generating sport's HC (Football)...especially not 400-500k. The basketball coach would have to come in and do things similar to what Ross did with T&F to surpass the FB coach's pay. You maybe right. I am just sharing information to hopefully allow us all to determine the challenges we face in getting a good coach and paying him and his staff the appropriate salary to compete at a high level in the CAA. |
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Post by A&T-roy on Feb 6, 2023 10:52:59 GMT -5
I'm gonna almost guarantee you that we're not gonna get or pay a basketball coach more than the highest revenue generating sport's HC (Football)...especially not 400-500k. The basketball coach would have to come in and do things similar to what Ross did with T&F to surpass the FB coach's pay. You maybe right. I am just sharing information to hopefully allow us all to determine the challenges we face in getting a good coach and paying him and his staff the appropriate salary to compete at a high level in the CAA. I get what you're doing. Just think you're waaayyyyyyy out there! |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 6, 2023 16:32:55 GMT -5
what uncw's coach is making shouldn't matter regarding what we should pay our next head coach. ya'll act like "quality" basketball coaches are hard to find. well, i'm here to tell ya'll that nothing could be further from the truth.
if our ad pays our next head basketball coach more than $300k per year, then he needs to be fired...
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 6, 2023 17:27:40 GMT -5
After compiling the information posted here and doing additional research, I now see how difficult it may be for us to hire a good MBB coach that will prepare us quickly to contend for a CAA MBB regular season or tournament championship. Over the last 7 years, only one team that has a football program has won either a CAA MBB regular season or tournament championship. The non-football colleges currently have the best MBB programs due to them not having to devote money to the football program, thus, outspending CAA teams with football programs in MBB recruiting and coach's salary. It is not an impossible task to overcome, but it will be difficult. We will need to set realistic expectation for whomever is A&T new MBB head coach. The WBB program does not face the same challenges, therefore, it is easier (not easy) to challenge for the CAA WBB regular season and tournament championships. Below are 2 tables pulled directly from Wikipedia to support my comments. By the way, I did compile the current salary of most CAA MBB head coach salary into one table for easy comparison instead of scrolling through multiple links. I chose not to post it, but if you would like to look at it for curiosity purposes, then message me. Thanks to all that provided information through your posts.   |
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 6, 2023 18:00:30 GMT -5
You maybe right. I am just sharing information to hopefully allow us all to determine the challenges we face in getting a good coach and paying him and his staff the appropriate salary to compete at a high level in the CAA. I get what you're doing. Just think you're waaayyyyyyy out there! I was  . |
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 27, 2023 15:12:11 GMT -5
pj said: ------------------------ In my study of what these non-football schools are paying their coaches we are far behind and they are reaping the benefits by constantly winning the CAA Championship at-large berth. We are chasing a huge moving target when it comes to MBB and although there is no doubt in my mind that we can get close to winning a CAA MBB Championship with the right changes to the MBB program, I do have doubts whether we can win an "actual" CAA MBB Championship unless we think out of the box. This is the NIL era and we are going to have to get bigger contributions from booster club and other tactics to attract the athletes and coaches we desire and return to "a basketball school" as some put it. These "athletes" think differently with multiple options available to them and it is sometimes not enough to tout A&T academic excellence, HBCU vs PWI, close to home vs out-state, etc. Look at our simple debate over whether it is wrong for an A&T MBB player to wear red shoes and socks. Again, new era with different player's mentality and attitude. What is the right targeted or marketing message that we can send today's generation players that A&T is truly committed to them (NIL), the MBB program and winning championships? Will hiring a good/great coach and paying him equal or greater salary than the football coach be enough? I clearly am not the one to choose an appropriate A&T MBB HC salary based on this poll (lone wolf @ $501K-$600K), but what is the new going rate based on what we know. Chancellor Martin and AD Hilton chose to move us to the CAA, so we have no choice but to play ball. I don't know the answer to this question and am absolutely not wishing anything bad to happen to these black MBB HCs, but is it too far of a stretch (thinking out of the box) for A&T to target hiring one of the black coaches on the below link to come coach here if fired? Of course, they would need to have some time (2-3 years in my opinion) left on their contract from their current school to buyout leaving us a small opportunity to persuade them to take a pay cut to come coach at A&T. I know crazy, but imagine the recruiting and marketing of games to students, fans, and out of conference D1 opponents (ACC, SEC, Big East, etc.) instead of multiple D2 schools on the schedule. What's the old saying that iron sharpens iron? syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10063264-mens-college-basketball-coaches-on-the-hot-seat-late-in-2022-23-season.amp.htmlNote: These contracts contain base salary, bonuses, incentive clauses, supplemental income, etc. Maybe A&T can arrange it to where they are only responsible for parts of the coach's full contract and boosters, companies, etc. pickup the rest. |
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 27, 2023 15:39:10 GMT -5
What message did Coach Vivian Stringer deliver to these recruits and their families during that era to get so many talented high school women players to play for her and Cheyney State? Can we convince a good high major or mid major coach to take a pay cut and look at the larger picture or do we hope we can find that diamond in the rough coach? How can we successfully use the transfer portal? m.youtube.com/watch?v=4_A92YfLT3A&feature=youtu.be |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 27, 2023 16:03:51 GMT -5
putting the cart before the horse, imo. sure, its okay to place a "ceiling" on what the new coach's salary should be. but in terms of what his actual salary should be, should be determined on a "case-by-case" basis. how much we're willing to pay a new head coach won't necessarily land us the best possible candidate who's interested in our job.
i wouldn't even be talking "salary" before finding the prospects for our head job. again, i repeat, if we pay more than $300k for a head men's basketball coach, the ad should be "fired". we don't need a "high priced" head coach, period. especially not one who earns more than our head football coach. coaching football is far more "complex" than coaching basketball.
this idea that because a conference member pays their head coach an astronomical salary (relatively speaking), doesn't mean we have to be influenced by that salary. last i checked, we currently have athletes who complain about a lack of resources for things like nutrition programs. yet, we gone pay a basketball coach far beyond our means?
just don't make sense to me. especially knowing as i do that there's tons of highly qualified head basketball coaches out there who would easily settle for far less and very likely would remain content to stay in place over the "long term"...
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 27, 2023 16:19:29 GMT -5
Maxell said:
This puts a lot of pressure on the rest of the conference, particularly the basketball only schools. Not sure what it means for those schools that also sponsor football.
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I agree with your comments about pressure on the basketball only schools. Additionally, it only puts pressure on those football sponsored schools that care about having a "championship" basketball program. This is different than saying you want a "winning or successful" basketball program.
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