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Post by bluehaze on Jan 19, 2023 13:29:05 GMT -5
And there is a big difference between calling someone a liar and asking for specific information to verify their claims. Reading comprehension still appears to be a lost art on this board. People who make decisions often exaggerate their concern level to make some issues appears more critical than they really are. The concerns about travel costs and student's time away from the classroom immediately come to mind. If we are having a discussion about policy, let's talk specifics and not just theoretical. The specifics were given during a Town Hall. And in another Town Hall, he said that the CAA was splitting into two divisions and that would reduce travel costs. So, travel was still an issue and it was discussed. Howard backed out, but that was the plan. A southern division and a northern division. |
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Post by saabman on Jan 19, 2023 15:05:48 GMT -5
Let's stay with the event security question as it relates to doubleheader games . Personally I don't really think that security is and issue but more to do with scheduling by both the men and women. I don't see the CAA adopting that type of format .
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Post by aggieforlife on Jan 19, 2023 15:57:43 GMT -5
How about Non Conference Games both and Women and Men on same night example Unc G Central, WSSU ,High Point etc...
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Post by Maxell on Jan 19, 2023 16:30:09 GMT -5
How about Non Conference Games both and Women and Men on same night example Unc G Central, WSSU ,High Point etc... That's not a bad idea for "local" non-conference action. Even if it's just one of those schools each year, better if it can be scheduled before Fall exams. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 19, 2023 16:38:15 GMT -5
How would you handle the ticket process for both events? Would you have to clear the gym after the first game to make room for the fans who only bought tickets to the second game?
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Post by planoaggie on Jan 19, 2023 17:20:52 GMT -5
Why are you offering a 3rd option in the poll question? We truly want to know which option the forum members prefer. In my opinion by offering the 3rd option, it tells me that these members are ok with the current format so their choice should be added to the separate game format. Their choice of no preference does not demand a change, therefore, force a tough decision. My thoughts.
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Post by planoaggie on Jan 19, 2023 17:57:40 GMT -5
I have no knowledge of security issues at A&T basketball games or really any college basketball games. But I have personally witnessed the increased security demands and problems (high school and select basketball levels) when multiple games are played on the same day versus a single game, especially when they are back to back. Escorting fans out the gym and allowing new fans in the gym to watch the next game, getting previous games players off the floor while the current players are anxiously waiting to get on the court requires extra security. I have witnessed players and fans getting into altercations. You have to pay security for both games, but you need to add more security personnel to handle the extra activity between games (don't forget people hitting the restroom and concession stands).
I don't know which format is better, but my experience tells me you require more security for double headers.
As for as selling tickets, this at times cause problems as well. How do you make sure the one game ticket buyers exit the gym? Organizers have had different exits for the first game purchasers while the 2nd game purchasers enter by a different entrance. Other organizers sell only all day tickets. You can't purchase a one game ticket. All of this is done to avoid losing out on revenue from those trying to beat the system.
My question is are we really getting more ticket ssle revenue with a double header or just more people in the stands to watch both games. When A&T has double headers do they sell a ticket for 2 games @ the one ticket price or you must purchase 2 separate tickets at the normal price?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 19, 2023 18:01:08 GMT -5
I can understand voting for the third option. I probably prefer the single game format, because it allows the women's game to start at a later time on week days. But in the whole scheme of things, this debate is not really that important to me.
I live in the city so I can easily go to any games I want to. When there were double-header games, I would sometimes go the women's game and skip the men's game if I had something else to do afterwards. And vice versa.
The reason we have the standalone games now is because that is how the CAA sets it up. Bottom line. Nothing we say or do will change that.
It is just silly to invent lame excuses like security concerns or staff burnout to make it seem like the standalone games are some big advantage. They are not.
If we suddenly start having double header games in the CAA next season, these same people would suddenly be acting like that the double-header format is a big advantage because it saves money and combines resources.
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Post by Aggie77 on Jan 19, 2023 18:06:27 GMT -5
Let's stay with the event security question as it relates to doubleheader games . Personally I don't really think that security is and issue but more to do with scheduling by both the men and women. I don't see the CAA adopting that type of format . It's not a fan security issue, it's a player proximity issue, before the game and at halftime. During single games there isn't a proximity issues, because the teams don't share the same space at the same time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 18:24:35 GMT -5
And there is a big difference between calling someone a liar and asking for specific information to verify their claims. Reading comprehension still appears to be a lost art on this board. People who make decisions often exaggerate their concern level to make some issues appears more critical than they really are. The concerns about travel costs and student's time away from the classroom immediately come to mind. If we are having a discussion about policy, let's talk specifics and not just theoretical. The specifics were given during a Town Hall. And in another Town Hall, he said that the CAA was splitting into two divisions and that would reduce travel costs. So, travel was still an issue and it was discussed. Howard backed out, but that was the plan. A southern division and a northern division. From my eyes, Howard is still needed and their desires may change once Pres. Frederick retires next year. |
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Post by saabman on Jan 19, 2023 18:34:28 GMT -5
How would you handle the ticket process for both events? Would you have to clear the gym after the first game to make room for the fans who only bought tickets to the second game? How was it handled before ? |
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Post by saabman on Jan 19, 2023 18:47:02 GMT -5
Let's stay with the event security question as it relates to doubleheader games . Personally I don't really think that security is and issue but more to do with scheduling by both the men and women. I don't see the CAA adopting that type of format . It's not a fan security issue, it's a player proximity issue, before the game and at halftime. During single games there isn't a proximity issues, because the teams don't share the same space at the same time. I still don't see the concern with proximate . How many incidents over the years have there been incidents of player proximate being an issue that resulted in physical altercation between the teams when double headers have been played . I'm waiting |
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Post by planoaggie on Jan 19, 2023 18:54:23 GMT -5
I can understand voting for the third option. I probably prefer the single game format, because it allows the women's game to start at a later time on week days. But in the whole scheme of things, this debate is not really that important to me. I live in the city so I can easily go to any games I want to. When there were double-header games, I would sometimes go the women's game and skip the men's game if I had something else to do afterwards. And vice versa. The reason we have the standalone games now is because that is how the CAA sets it up. Bottom line. Nothing we say or do will change that. It is just silly to invent lame excuses like security concerns or staff burnout to make it seem like the standalone games are some big advantage. They are not. If we suddenly start having double header games in the CAA next season, these same people would suddenly be acting like that the double-header format is a big advantage because it saves money and combines resources. Because I live out of state I have no preference, but if that was not an option I would probably choose separate games due to time constraints from visiting out of state. I agree with you that the primary factor we switched to separate games is due to moving to the CAA. But was that not the case when we moved to the Big South? Things like security was probably a factor of why the other members of the CAA went to the separate game format and the chancellor and others were just sharing those factors communicated to them to the A&T community. By default when you join a conference you must abide by most of their rules or practices so this should not be an issue unless you object to the conference move. As for as non-conference games, I would think that A&T can do whatever as long as it is possible to schedule double headers. |
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Post by planoaggie on Jan 19, 2023 19:03:20 GMT -5
It's not a fan security issue, it's a player proximity issue, before the game and at halftime. During single games there isn't a proximity issues, because the teams don't share the same space at the same time. I still don't see the concern with proximate . How many incidents over the years have there been incidents of player proximate being an issue that resulted in physical altercation between the teams when double headers have been played . I'm waiting Do you have information on whether security was increased by A&T after the 1st or 2nd incident thus reducing any further incidents. We learn from our mistakes. As soon as a major incident happens the 1st thing people ask is where was security. With more people you add security accordingly. Ex. January 6th insurrection. Don't take chances in creating a media nightmare. |
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Post by Aggie77 on Jan 19, 2023 20:22:27 GMT -5
It's not a fan security issue, it's a player proximity issue, before the game and at halftime. During single games there isn't a proximity issues, because the teams don't share the same space at the same time. I still don't see the concern with proximate . How many incidents over the years have there been incidents of player proximate being an issue that resulted in physical altercation between the teams when double headers have been played . I'm waiting So, is any number OK? I would go for zero. If we can prevent two teams from being in the same space, why wouldn't that be the preferred option. You know like I know trash talking starts as soon as seen. As stated earlier, there have been some incidents. |
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