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Post by saabman on Jun 9, 2023 22:05:36 GMT -5
Is he really 240 lbs? The stats said 6'5" and 195 lbs. Growing 2" and putting on 45 lbs is a lot of weight. Not really on the weight and height. It depends on the individual, especially when they are still growing into there frame . It happens all the time. |
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jun 10, 2023 6:00:45 GMT -5
Kinda surprised we are his only D1 offer. He has very high motor and plays like a true 5. Impressed that he dunks consistently instead just laying the ball in
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 10, 2023 8:54:20 GMT -5
I like his rebound numbers. We had trouble rebounding and finishing around the rim last year.
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Post by Aggie One on Jun 10, 2023 12:11:05 GMT -5
There are an abundance of some very talented HS basketball players who are legit mid major prospects that got pushed way down the recruiting list because of enormous amount of players available in the transfer portal. Some coaches prefer a lot of "plug and play" transfers while others like high school kids better to mold into their particular style and needs.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 10, 2023 15:44:44 GMT -5
i'd project him as a sf/pf at our level. too small to play the 5 except against "small" teams and doesn't appear to have the handle to play either of the guard positions. but i think he's still a bit "green" who can be further "developed" to become a conference all star type at our level.
it seems that we're gonna be loaded with "true freshmen" this season which is great for the long term provided they don't hit the portal prematurely. but to me, "true freshmen" will struggle a bit more than past years because of the portal and the covid exception.
so many teams will have more "older" players than usual (compared to pre-transfer portal days), so the "true freshmen" in many cases will have to compete against "grown azz men". so it may take a bit longer than usual for "true freshmen" to flourish at our level...
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Post by saabman on Jun 11, 2023 0:11:07 GMT -5
There are an abundance of some very talented HS basketball players who are legit mid major prospects that got pushed way down the recruiting list because of enormous amount of players available in the transfer portal. Some coaches prefer a lot of "plug and play" transfers while others like high school kids better to mold into their particular style and needs. Exactly the PT has opened the door for midmajors to land talented HS players. Don't get it twisted I like the PT players but they have to be true Plug and Play position players . If it comes down to a HS Big with the right numbers..i.e rebounding, blocks,assist and can score vs a Big with no/little floor time and no numbers. I'm going with the HS player and develop him, but that's just my opinion. |
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Post by bseballaggie on Jun 11, 2023 5:00:12 GMT -5
i'd project him as a sf/pf at our level. too small to play the 5 except against "small" teams and doesn't appear to have the handle to play either of the guard positions. but i think he's still a bit "green" who can be further "developed" to become a conference all star type at our level. it seems that we're gonna be loaded with "true freshmen" this season which is great for the long term provided they don't hit the portal prematurely. but to me, "true freshmen" will struggle a bit more than past years because of the portal and the covid exception. so many teams will have more "older" players than usual (compared to pre-transfer portal days), so the "true freshmen" in many cases will have to compete against "grown azz men". so it may take a bit longer than usual for "true freshmen" to flourish at our level... Our Charles Barkley. |
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 11, 2023 9:34:52 GMT -5
There are an abundance of some very talented HS basketball players who are legit mid major prospects that got pushed way down the recruiting list because of enormous amount of players available in the transfer portal. Some coaches prefer a lot of "plug and play" transfers while others like high school kids better to mold into their particular style and needs. Why does everyone think this "abundance of talented HS or transfer portal players" gives A&T an edge over any other mid-major colleges? This is not a secret that others are not aware of. The recruiting game does not change for all these mid-major colleges. The only thing that changes is that the level of mid-major play is elevated or more competitive and entertaining due to the increase in the talent pool across the board. Now we observe more upsets of high-major colleges due to the gap between mid-majors and high-major. What is being overlooked in this argument is that are we any better at signing these more talented players (HS or transfers) than we were before or than any other mid-major college out there? No one has answered this question. We gain an advantage over other mid-majors only if our coach or MBB program is better at recruiting or coaching these more talented players. Simple example. I am worth 1 million dollars and my friend is worth 6 million dollars. If for some reason "we both are aware" that the government is giving out 1 million dollars to all citizens and we both apply and receive the 1 million dollars than the gap in wealth between us remains 5 million dollars although we both are 1 million dollar richer. I have the opportunity to close the wealth gap in several ways. 1. Apply to receive an additional 1 million dollars from the government through a special program unbeknownst to my friend. 2. I will invest or use my money more wisely than my friend (assume I am smarter or better at managing money). Therefore, I and several others on this forum have pointed out that the increase in talented players at the mid-major level is irrelevant unless you can do 3 things: 1. Recruit better than your competitors and/or 2. Coach better than your competitors 3. More money to spend than your competitors (NIL deals, improved facilities,pay coaches/staff more, etc.) |
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Post by saabman on Jun 11, 2023 11:10:45 GMT -5
There are an abundance of some very talented HS basketball players who are legit mid major prospects that got pushed way down the recruiting list because of enormous amount of players available in the transfer portal. Some coaches prefer a lot of "plug and play" transfers while others like high school kids better to mold into their particular style and needs. Why does everyone think this "abundance of talented HS or transfer portal players" gives A&T an edge over any other mid-major colleges? This is not a secret that others are not aware of. The recruiting game does not change for all these mid-major colleges. The only thing that changes is that the level of mid-major play is elevated or more competitive and entertaining due to the increase in the talent pool across the board. Now we observe more upsets of high-major colleges due to the gap between mid-majors and high-major. What is being overlooked in this argument is that are we any better at signing these more talented players (HS or transfers) than we were before or than any other mid-major college out there? No one has answered this question. We gain an advantage over other mid-majors only if our coach or MBB program is better at recruiting or coaching these more talented players. Simple example. I am worth 1 million dollars and my friend is worth 6 million dollars. If for some reason "we both are aware" that the government is giving out 1 million dollars to all citizens and we both apply and receive the 1 million dollars than the gap in wealth between us remains 5 million dollars although we both are 1 million dollar richer. I have the opportunity to close the wealth gap in several ways. 1. Apply to receive an additional 1 million dollars from the government through a special program unbeknownst to my friend. 2. I will invest or use my money more wisely than my friend (assume I am smarter or better at managing money). Therefore, I and several others on this forum have pointed out that the increase in talented players at the mid-major level is irrelevant unless you can do 3 things: 1. Recruit better than your competitors and/or 2. Coach better than your competitors 3. More money to spend than your competitors (NIL deals, improved facilities,pay coaches/staff more, etc.) I don't remember seeing where anyone has stated that A&T has gotten a edge over any other programs in the recruitment of HS ,JUCO, TP talent. What I saw was people, myself included, pointing out that there is numerous talented none committed players at all three of those levels . Recruitment is about salesmanship nothing more or less. Also HBCU's have always been at the bottom of the sports Food Chain at all levels D1,2 and NAIA. Anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional . |
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jun 11, 2023 12:04:29 GMT -5
I understand what both of you are saying. However we are in the CAA so the right system the right coach has to be in place for us to recruit at the same level as any other CAA school regardless of being a HBCU.
I think all HBCU’s have raised their level of athlete they are recruiting
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 11, 2023 17:19:44 GMT -5
I don't remember seeing where anyone has stated that A&T has gotten a edge over any other programs in the recruitment of HS ,JUCO, TP talent. What I saw was people, myself included, pointing out that there is numerous talented non committed players at all three of those levels. Recruitment is about salesmanship nothing more or less. Also HBCU's have always been at the bottom of the sports Food Chain at all levels D1,2 and NAIA. Anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional. Saabman: You, myself, and others did point out the abundance of talented players still available to recruit, but we also added that it is Coach Ross's job to go out and find them as well as "sign" them. My post is directed at those that either said, believe, or inferred that we should be able to build a more competitive roster just because there are still lots of unsigned talented players (HS, JUCO, transfers, etc.). Competition for these players are stiff and have always been, so this year is no different than past years. Just stating that there are lots of unsigned talented players left in my opinion cheapens the recruiting process and makes it seem like Coach Ross's job should be easy signing good talented players. It is not. |
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 11, 2023 17:30:05 GMT -5
I understand what both of you are saying. However we are in the CAA so the right system the right coach has to be in place for us to recruit at the same level as any other CAA school regardless of being a HBCU. I think all HBCU’s have raised their level of athlete they are recruiting Exactly. Nike had to raise their level of recruiting players from just offering shoes. What's that song, "It's Hard out Here for a Pimp". Change pimp to college coach. |
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Post by saabman on Jun 11, 2023 17:59:41 GMT -5
I don't remember seeing where anyone has stated that A&T has gotten a edge over any other programs in the recruitment of HS ,JUCO, TP talent. What I saw was people, myself included, pointing out that there is numerous talented non committed players at all three of those levels. Recruitment is about salesmanship nothing more or less. Also HBCU's have always been at the bottom of the sports Food Chain at all levels D1,2 and NAIA. Anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional. Saabman: You, myself, and others did point out the abundance of talented players still available to recruit, but we also added that it is Coach Ross's job to go out and find them as well as "sign" them. My post is directed at those that either said, believe, or inferred that we should be able to build a more competitive roster just because there are still lots of unsigned talented players (HS, JUCO, transfers, etc.). Competition for these players are stiff and have always been, so this year is no different than past years. Just stating that there are lots of unsigned talented players left in my opinion cheapens the recruiting process and makes it seem like Coach Ross's job should be easy signing good talented players. It is not. For me because something is available in abundance that does not mean that it is easy to obtain . Having worked in recruiting I can tell you nothing about it is easy when it comes to signing talented players from any level . Yes you have some that think that way . But I am not one of them . I believe in building and developing players (not ready made players which are few and far between) and I am willing to except the growing pains that come with it. I don't believe in one and done players and I don't believe in Portal heavy programs. I do believe you build your program from the base and find talent in the portal that are legit Plug and Play players that fits your system. That philosophy of ready-made players is why I gave Coach Jones the nickname TV, as for TV dinners,. They come ready-made but you never know what you're really getting. |
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Post by DECKS on Jun 12, 2023 9:49:16 GMT -5
I will take a look, but what is your opinion on his ability to recruit Bigs that fit his system/needs. Below info does not consider signed transfers and only players 6'8" or taller, no matter their weight. For this post only, I will make the assumption that they are post players. 2006-07: Signed no Bigs ; 5-26 2007-08: Signed no Bigs ; 14-17 2008-09: one 6'9" Big ; 13-19 2009-10: one 6'8" Big ; 7-24 2010-11: Signed no Bigs ; 14-17 2011-12: Signed no Bigs ; 18-14 2012-13: one 6'9" Big ; 19-14 2013-14: one 6'9" Big ; 25-10 2014-15: one 6'8" and one 6'9" Bigs ; 10-20 2015-16: Signed no Bigs ; 7-23 This additional information has increased my knowledge of Coach Ross's recruiting abilities and coaching, but it is not enough to raise my confidence that he will successfully recruit Big/Bigs that meets A&T's needs "this season". Ross's first two years at Delaware, he signed no Bigs. Is that a sign of his lack of recruiting abilities, or that he made a decision not to target Bigs those seasons because the team had enough Bigs (at least 3)? 5 out of the 10 seasons, he did not sign a Big. After Delaware's championship season, 2013-14, they had two poor seasons and Coach Ross had his best Bigs recruiting season (2 Bigs). Was the poor performance due to him not finding Bigs that fit his system, or them not being used properly? He has never signed a player taller than 6"9" over his 10 year tenure. Why? Is it because these taller players (>= 6'10") do not fit his system? See what I am getting at? Many unknowns. Coach Ross does not have the luxury of inheriting a 2006 Delaware team composed of one 6'6", three 6'7", one 6'8", and two 6'9" players. Since none of these players were recruited by him, how do we know if Delaware already had a good reputation for recruiting and developing Bigs despite the coach. We do know that A&T currently does not have a good reputation in recruiting Bigs and our tallest Big is 6'9". I rather give Coach Ross the proper time to demonstrate that he can recruit "Bigs at A&T" based on our current hurdles and needs. That is just me, and I will do the same in evaluating his coaching and player development skills since his coaching record shows signs of inconsistencies, but I will assume he has grown since then which is why A&T chose him as their new head coach. All we can do now is support him and the team and observe/critique how good of a job he does in each parts of coaching (mentor, recruiter, trainer, coaching, staff builder, teacher in keeping players eligible, etc.) separately as well as overall evaluation. Overall evaluations are typically done at or near the end of the season when you are considering hiring, firing, giving bonuses, or extending a coach's contract. Critique of individual stages of coaching can occur at various times throughout the year. We just need to try to be fair and honest in our assessment while considering all the circumstances the head coach or program is/has experience. I think this look back may be spot on about Ross's recruiting strategy. At this point it doesn't appear he's going after players over 6'9". |
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Post by DECKS on Jun 12, 2023 10:01:09 GMT -5
Kinda surprised we are his only D1 offer. He has very high motor and plays like a true 5. Impressed that he dunks consistently instead just laying the ball in Possible late bloomer? Looks like he took a pretty big leap from his junior year to his senior year. Probably haven't tapped into half of his potential. If we can hold on to him he could become a special player. |
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