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Post by planoaggie on May 31, 2023 19:54:48 GMT -5
How many post players do we currently have ? Felton, Joyner and the transfer from the D2 ? Am I missing anyone ? This is what I put together of the new additions to the team. Felton is our only Big from last year's team. I am unsure if Joyner is a post player due to his weight and listing of his position on other websites. We are extremely thin when it comes to Bigs. I still haven't heard from anyone whether Robinson is truly returning although he is not a Big, but at times had to guard Bigs last season. Hopefully, Coach Ross will sign some Bigs out of the remaining scholarships. Also, let us not forget about walk-ons potential helping with the depth chart. TRANSFERS Evan Joyner SF Sophomore 6'8" 180 lbs Camian Shell PG Freshman 5'10" 170 lbs Jason Murphy C Sophomore 6'9" 245 lbs HS SENIORS Dylan Swift PG HS 5'11" Dantae Watson CG HS 6'2" Jalal McKie SG HS 6'5" Julius Reese Jr. SG HS 6'4" Marquavious Brown SG HS 6'4" |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 1, 2023 12:06:17 GMT -5
i don't consider joyner to be a big, especially weighing only 180 lbs...
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Post by saabman on Jun 1, 2023 12:32:15 GMT -5
i don't consider joyner to be a big, especially weighing only 180 lbs... Sent from my SM-G950U using proboards Big Guard/Wing ( Reggie Theus type) |
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 1, 2023 16:08:55 GMT -5
i don't consider joyner to be a big, especially weighing only 180 lbs... Sent from my SM-G950U using proboards Big Guard/Wing ( Reggie Theus type) As to Friscotxaggie's question, Joyner is not a true post or Big. He may be asked to play that position occasionally or play out of position in the future due to roster limitations or team injuries. Do you and others concur that presently A&T MBB team has only 2 true post player in Felton and Murphy? Am I overlooking anyone? We all are aware that the recruiting season is not over with, therefore I don't want this or other's posts to be taken the wrong way as a criticism of Coach Ross. We know he still has time to address this need and probably has offers out there. This is just a status check taken at this point in the recruiting season. 🙂 |
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Post by saabman on Jun 1, 2023 19:00:28 GMT -5
Big Guard/Wing ( Reggie Theus type) As to Friscotxaggie's question, Joyner is not a true post or Big. He may be asked to play that position occasionally or play out of position in the future due to roster limitations or team injuries. Do you and others concur that presently A&T MBB team has only 2 true post player in Felton and Murphy? Am I overlooking anyone? We all are aware that the recruiting season is not over with, therefore I don't want this or other's posts to be taken the wrong way as a criticism of Coach Ross. We know he still has time to address this need and probably has offers out there. This is just a status check taken at this point in the recruiting season. 🙂 Because a player is tall that doesn't make them a big man . That's why I used Reggie Theus as a example. There are still over 40 bigs from 6'9" to 7' in the TP, 65 Forwards 6'7 to 6'10 and over 80 Small Forwards 6'5 to 6'9" . That is not counting the HS and JUCO talent . Coach Ross is aware of this I'm sure . He will find the right Big/Bigs that fits what he is looking for, because there is a lot of unsigned talent out there and that's not counting the talent overseas. The key is finding and signing that talent . Coach Ross has time and may surprise a lot of us in the coming months and weeks . |
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Post by A&T-roy on Jun 1, 2023 21:35:30 GMT -5
As to Friscotxaggie's question, Joyner is not a true post or Big. He may be asked to play that position occasionally or play out of position in the future due to roster limitations or team injuries. Do you and others concur that presently A&T MBB team has only 2 true post player in Felton and Murphy? Am I overlooking anyone? We all are aware that the recruiting season is not over with, therefore I don't want this or other's posts to be taken the wrong way as a criticism of Coach Ross. We know he still has time to address this need and probably has offers out there. This is just a status check taken at this point in the recruiting season. 🙂 Because a player is tall that doesn't make them a big man . That's why I used Reggie Theus as a example. There are still over 40 bigs from 6'9" to 7' in the TP, 65 Forwards 6'7 to 6'10 and over 80 Small Forwards 6'5 to 6'9" . That is not counting the HS and JUCO talent . Coach Ross is aware of this I'm sure . He will find the right Big/Bigs that fits what he is looking for, because there is a lot of unsigned talent out there and that's not counting the talent overseas. The key is finding and signing that talent . Coach Ross has time and may surprise a lot of us in the coming months and weeks . Yeah. I only know of 2 PF/C type posts. |
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jun 2, 2023 4:10:43 GMT -5
I am sure Coach Ross is diligently working on this as only 2 post players would limit what you can do on both ends of the court
This is not being critical of the Coach …I just asked a question
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Post by saabman on Jun 2, 2023 8:25:42 GMT -5
I am sure Coach Ross is diligently working on this as only 2 post players would limit what you can do on both ends of the court This is not being critical of the Coach …I just asked a question I don't see you being Critical. Hell True Big-men/Good Big-men are a Priority commodity at the midmajor level, even more so at D1 HBCU Institutions. And whenever HBCU's are fortunate to have decent big men, the coaches have no idea how to use develop or incorporate them into their system, other than just being paint fillers and second chance rebound scorers..i.e TV when he had four bigs ranging from 6 ft 9 to 7' and had no idea how to use them in his system. Hell it's hard enough to find competent big men but when you have coaches that have no idea how to use them it makes it even harder to recruit big men to your program. Like it or not over the years A&T has not shown itself to be a good landing spot for competent big man, hopefully Ross can change that. |
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jun 2, 2023 11:58:52 GMT -5
Yea Joyner and TV were small ball coaches . No clue what to do with a true big as they only focused on what the big could not do….
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 2, 2023 13:33:30 GMT -5
. . . Hell it's hard enough to find competent big men but when you have coaches that have no idea how to use them it makes it even harder to recruit big men to your program. Like it or not over the years A&T has not shown itself to be a good landing spot for competent big man, hopefully Ross can change that. Your last 2 sentences is why I will remain silent until the end of the recruiting period on whether Coach Ross "will" sign Big/Bigs "this season" that will fit his system or skill attributes versus settling on the best Big/Bigs available to sign knowing that it was not exactly what he wanted/needed because he could not lose a scholarship. Coach Ross's recruiting abilities may not be properly recognized "this season" due to his shorten recruiting period, having to recruit so many players at once versus a few key pieces, small staff, and fighting against A&T's recent history of not developing and including Bigs/post players in the main offensive schemes. How the program used Bigs in the past matters a lot to players and parent when deciding where to sign no matter who is delivering the message. You and maybe others seem confident that Coach Ross can overcome the above mentioned hurdles. I hope that he can so we can surprise some teams that are counting us out for next season. Due to the above hurdles, I on the other hand will be very pleased if he signs good Big/Bigs; okay if he signs average Big/Bigs; and slightly disappointed if he finds no Bigs or they are not very good. For me, Coach Ross's ability to recruit Bigs starts the 2024-25 season. Why? 1. Because I and potential recruits get a year to see how he coaches and uses the Bigs. 2. Coach gets a full season to recruit with less holes to fill (assuming small losses to the transfer portal), and 3. His full staff should be in place to better address recruiting. Again, you made some excellent points. I am just not as confident as you are at this stage that Coach Ross can overcome these hurdles. My knowledge of his recruiting and coaching abilities are very limited, although I like his expressed coaching philosophy. But I can't go off of that "alone" because many newly hired coaches have a good initial plan for change and always talk about bringing in players and upgrading staff to fit their system. Let's see how he does over the next 2 months. There are several major AAU/Select tournaments our coaches will be attending in July trying to fill needs for our team. Coach Ross and staff still have time to find some more gems (I believe 3 more scholarships). I wish them all the luck and safe travels. |
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Post by Maxell on Jun 2, 2023 13:42:30 GMT -5
Look at his rosters at Delaware over his 10 year stint. Then draw some conclusions/opinions.
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 2, 2023 13:50:28 GMT -5
Look at his rosters at Delaware over his 10 year stint. Then draw some conclusions/opinions. I will take a look, but what is your opinion on his ability to recruit Bigs that fit his system/needs. |
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 2, 2023 16:34:31 GMT -5
Look at his rosters at Delaware over his 10 year stint. Then draw some conclusions/opinions. I will take a look, but what is your opinion on his ability to recruit Bigs that fit his system/needs. Below info does not consider signed transfers and only players 6'8" or taller, no matter their weight. For this post only, I will make the assumption that they are post players. 2006-07: Signed no Bigs ; 5-26 2007-08: Signed no Bigs ; 14-17 2008-09: one 6'9" Big ; 13-19 2009-10: one 6'8" Big ; 7-24 2010-11: Signed no Bigs ; 14-17 2011-12: Signed no Bigs ; 18-14 2012-13: one 6'9" Big ; 19-14 2013-14: one 6'9" Big ; 25-10 2014-15: one 6'8" and one 6'9" Bigs ; 10-20 2015-16: Signed no Bigs ; 7-23 This additional information has increased my knowledge of Coach Ross's recruiting abilities and coaching, but it is not enough to raise my confidence that he will successfully recruit Big/Bigs that meets A&T's needs "this season". Ross's first two years at Delaware, he signed no Bigs. Is that a sign of his lack of recruiting abilities, or that he made a decision not to target Bigs those seasons because the team had enough Bigs (at least 3)? 5 out of the 10 seasons, he did not sign a Big. After Delaware's championship season, 2013-14, they had two poor seasons and Coach Ross had his best Bigs recruiting season (2 Bigs). Was the poor performance due to him not finding Bigs that fit his system, or them not being used properly? He has never signed a player taller than 6"9" over his 10 year tenure. Why? Is it because these taller players (>= 6'10") do not fit his system? See what I am getting at? Many unknowns. Coach Ross does not have the luxury of inheriting a 2006 Delaware team composed of one 6'6", three 6'7", one 6'8", and two 6'9" players. Since none of these players were recruited by him, how do we know if Delaware already had a good reputation for recruiting and developing Bigs despite the coach. We do know that A&T currently does not have a good reputation in recruiting Bigs and our tallest Big is 6'9". I rather give Coach Ross the proper time to demonstrate that he can recruit "Bigs at A&T" based on our current hurdles and needs. That is just me, and I will do the same in evaluating his coaching and player development skills since his coaching record shows signs of inconsistencies, but I will assume he has grown since then which is why A&T chose him as their new head coach. All we can do now is support him and the team and observe/critique how good of a job he does in each parts of coaching (mentor, recruiter, trainer, coaching, staff builder, teacher in keeping players eligible, etc.) separately as well as overall evaluation. Overall evaluations are typically done at or near the end of the season when you are considering hiring, firing, giving bonuses, or extending a coach's contract. Critique of individual stages of coaching can occur at various times throughout the year. We just need to try to be fair and honest in our assessment while considering all the circumstances the head coach or program is/has experience. |
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Post by AggieMac on Jun 2, 2023 23:19:19 GMT -5
Man we need the season to start asap. This going to be a long summer...
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Post by A&T-roy on Jun 3, 2023 10:19:40 GMT -5
Man we need the season to start asap. This going to be a long summer... Who u tellin'!! #HurryUp |
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