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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 23, 2018 8:56:51 GMT -5
Albeit unintentional it appears we are transitioning into a stair step program when it comes to transfers? I dont see it that way .......In all 3 cases each student athlete (Pack, Hunt, Femi) received a degree from North Carolina A&T and transferred out as graduate transfers. It would be a different story if they were underclassman and chose to sit out a year and transfer out of the program to a major conference school. I am not sure what the percentage is but I would bet half of the kids who receive degrees and have a year of eligibility left transfer out of their receptive programs. We also have to remember we were the benefit of 3 graduate transfers in last 3-4 years one from Bucknell, Albany & Cleveland State. Scales had less of impact but Edge Egharevba played well and I think Josha Singleton was about to blow up before he tore his ACL.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Apr 23, 2018 9:12:21 GMT -5
Albeit unintentional it appears we are transitioning into a stair step program when it comes to transfers? I dont see it that way .......In all 3 cases each student athlete (Pack, Hunt, Femi) received a degree from North Carolina A&T and transferred out as graduate transfers. It would be a different story if they were underclassman and chose to sit out a year and transfer out of the program to a major conference school. I am not sure what the percentage is but I would bet half of the kids who receive degrees and have a year of eligibility left transfer out of their receptive programs. We also have to remember we were the benefit of 3 graduate transfers in last 3-4 years one from Bucknell, Albany & Cleveland State. Scales had less of impact but Edge Egharevba played well and I think Josha Singleton was about to blow up before he tore his ACL. We also benefited from Devonte Boykins this year, a grad transfer from Georgia Southern. Boykins was a big contributor to the majority of our 20 wins. So this swings both ways for the program.
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Post by aggierattler on Apr 23, 2018 9:13:50 GMT -5
I dont see it that way .......In all 3 cases each student athlete (Pack, Hunt, Femi) received a degree from North Carolina A&T and transferred out as graduate transfers. It would be a different story if they were underclassman and chose to sit out a year and transfer out of the program to a major conference school. I am not sure what the percentage is but I would bet half of the kids who receive degrees and have a year of eligibility left transfer out of their receptive programs. We also have to remember we were the benefit of 3 graduate transfers in last 3-4 years one from Bucknell, Albany & Cleveland State. Scales had less of impact but Edge Egharevba played well and I think Josha Singleton was about to blow up before he tore his ACL. We also benefited from Devonte Boykins this year, a grad transfer from Georgia Southern. Boykins was a big contributor to the majority of our 20 wins. So this swings both ways for the program. True...it works both ways.
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Post by Maxell on Apr 23, 2018 13:48:04 GMT -5
We also benefited from Devonte Boykins this year, a grad transfer from Georgia Southern. Boykins was a big contributor to the majority of our 20 wins. So this swings both ways for the program. True...it works both ways.I think the difference is that Femi transferred in and got two years of education and a degree but only gave us one year of basketball.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 23, 2018 14:02:32 GMT -5
Thats a good point Femi's time with us is similar to Sam hunt but Sam played two years and set out one. At the end of the day I do like the fact that both guys received there college degree from NC A&T State Univ.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Apr 23, 2018 14:34:33 GMT -5
True...it works both ways. I think the difference is that Femi transferred in and got two years of education and a degree but only gave us one year of basketball. I feel you. But considering the impact of the playing time and the results... one could easily make the argument that Femi's time here was more value-added than Sam Hunt or Richaud Pack. And like Frisco stated.... his college degree will read North Carolina A&T. He did his job and we did ours.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 14:41:44 GMT -5
I think the difference is that Femi transferred in and got two years of education and a degree but only gave us one year of basketball. I feel you. But considering the impact of the playing time and the results... one could easily make the argument that Femi's time here was more value-added than Sam Hunt or Richaud Pack. And like Frisco stated.... his college degree will read North Carolina A&T. He did his job and we did ours. Like it or not, he is and will always be an Aggie. He'll get those same calls that Tarik and Brandon get if he makes the NBA. Trust. Shoot, he'll get the same calls y'all and I get to donate as an Alum period.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Apr 23, 2018 16:30:45 GMT -5
I feel you. But considering the impact of the playing time and the results... one could easily make the argument that Femi's time here was more value-added than Sam Hunt or Richaud Pack. And like Frisco stated.... his college degree will read North Carolina A&T. He did his job and we did ours. Like it or not, he is and will always be an Aggie. He'll get those same calls that Tarik and Brandon get if he makes the NBA. Trust. Shoot, he'll get the same calls y'all and I get to donate as an Alum period. Yeah, let's not kick these kids to the curb because they are moving on. Especially those that get their degrees and move on. That's what we should be all about...educating young minds from our community. Whether players stayed here one season or four, we got what we could while they were here. And I hope when they get those calls from the Development Office they will proudly make a donation to A&T!
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Post by numberonebrave on Apr 23, 2018 20:44:12 GMT -5
Didn't Hunt , Pack , and Femi lead the team in scoring before they left...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 24, 2018 11:31:04 GMT -5
Like it or not, he is and will always be an Aggie. He'll get those same calls that Tarik and Brandon get if he makes the NBA. Trust. Shoot, he'll get the same calls y'all and I get to donate as an Alum period. Yeah, let's not kick these kids to the curb because they are moving on. Especially those that get their degrees and move on. That's what we should be all about...educating young minds from our community. Whether players stayed here one season or four, we got what we could while they were here. And I hope when they get those calls from the Development Office they will proudly make a donation to A&T! 1969, i agree 100%. no reason to get mad at these kids just because they choose to leave a&t, they're only doing what "they believe" is what's best for them. we should just thank them for the time they did spend at a&t, wish them well in the future, and then move on. hey, i was on campus this past weekend, in town for a fraternity retreat. so as usual, whenever i'm in town i always drive thru campus and it was very "re-assuring" to see how our campus has and continues to "prosper". though promising athletes like femi may leave a&t, "trust me", a&t will be fine! man, i saw the brand new student center going thru the final phases of construction and that bad boy is gonna be a "monster"! i'm tellin' ya, that new student center is gonna attract some future star athletes to a&t, that new student center "alone" takes up an entire doggone city block!! so my fellow aggies, don't despair because we lose a great athlete. a&t's future is "very bright"! just drive thru campus if ya haven't done so recently and see that beautiful new student center and also "visualize" that even more expensive brand new engineering building that we'll break ground on later this year. plus, the new upgrade to aggie stadium targeted to open 2 years from now and the new outdoor track surface that's expected to be applied this year. folks, our future is in very "good hands"...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 13:54:45 GMT -5
Yeah, let's not kick these kids to the curb because they are moving on. Especially those that get their degrees and move on. That's what we should be all about...educating young minds from our community. Whether players stayed here one season or four, we got what we could while they were here. And I hope when they get those calls from the Development Office they will proudly make a donation to A&T! 1969, i agree 100%. no reason to get mad at these kids just because they choose to leave a&t, they're only doing what "they believe" is what's best for them. we should just thank them for the time they did spend at a&t, wish them well in the future, and then move on. hey, i was on campus this past weekend, in town for a fraternity retreat. so as usual, whenever i'm in town i always drive thru campus and it was very "re-assuring" to see how our campus has and continues to "prosper". though promising athletes like femi may leave a&t, "trust me", a&t will be fine! man, i saw the brand new student center going thru the final phases of construction and that bad boy is gonna be a "monster"! i'm tellin' ya, that new student center is gonna attract some future star athletes to a&t, that new student center "alone" takes up an entire doggone city block!! so my fellow aggies, don't despair because we lose a great athlete. a&t's future is "very bright"! just drive thru campus if ya haven't done so recently and see that beautiful new student center and also "visualize" that even more expensive brand new engineering building that we'll break ground on later this year. plus, the new upgrade to aggie stadium targeted to open 2 years from now and the new outdoor track surface that's expected to be applied this year. folks, our future is in very "good hands"... Did you get to drive the 'Rari?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 24, 2018 14:16:43 GMT -5
1969, i agree 100%. no reason to get mad at these kids just because they choose to leave a&t, they're only doing what "they believe" is what's best for them. we should just thank them for the time they did spend at a&t, wish them well in the future, and then move on. hey, i was on campus this past weekend, in town for a fraternity retreat. so as usual, whenever i'm in town i always drive thru campus and it was very "re-assuring" to see how our campus has and continues to "prosper". though promising athletes like femi may leave a&t, "trust me", a&t will be fine! man, i saw the brand new student center going thru the final phases of construction and that bad boy is gonna be a "monster"! i'm tellin' ya, that new student center is gonna attract some future star athletes to a&t, that new student center "alone" takes up an entire doggone city block!! so my fellow aggies, don't despair because we lose a great athlete. a&t's future is "very bright"! just drive thru campus if ya haven't done so recently and see that beautiful new student center and also "visualize" that even more expensive brand new engineering building that we'll break ground on later this year. plus, the new upgrade to aggie stadium targeted to open 2 years from now and the new outdoor track surface that's expected to be applied this year. folks, our future is in very "good hands"... Did you get to drive the 'Rari? lol, nah didn't get to drive the "rari". just took a picture with it...
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Post by aggieblackie on Apr 26, 2018 23:35:07 GMT -5
I am still mad because these guys were kicked to the curb by other schools and we scooped them up to help them. They showed no respect for us and forgot who saved their butts. They were not and or not going pro no way so they might as well show their loyalty and gratitude and play here to fight for a championship.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Apr 27, 2018 11:05:08 GMT -5
Look at the stats of Richaud Pack BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER his stint at A&T:
SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 2014-15 MD 25.7 1.8-4.7 .393 0.8-2.5 .326 1.3-1.9 .697 3.3 1.2 0.2 0.5 1.3 0.9 5.8 2013-14 NCAT 34.2 4.4-10.0 .441 1.8-4.7 .382 6.4-7.9 .804 4.6 1.6 0.1 0.7 2.0 1.7 17.0 2011-12 FIU 8.3 0.6-1.7 .333 0.1-0.6 .200 0.2-0.2 1.000 1.2 0.2 0.0 0.1 0.9 0.4 1.4 2010-11 FIU 8.3 0.6-2.4 .250 0.2-1.4 .143 1.2-1.7 .706 1.5 0.2 0.1 0.5 0.9 0.6 2.6
Look at Sam Hunt's stats BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER his stint at A&T: SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 2017-18 NCST 16.1 1.7-4.1 .422 1.5-3.7 .418 0.5-0.5 .944 0.8 0.3 0.0 0.4 1.2 0.3 5.5 2016-17 NCAT 34.4 4.0-10.5 .383 2.3-6.5 .354 2.3-2.5 .937 1.7 1.8 0.0 0.6 1.7 2.3 12.7 2015-16 NCAT 33.7 4.6-11.9 .388 2.3-6.7 .338 3.9-4.3 .904 2.0 2.1 0.0 0.7 2.8 2.4 15.4 2014-15 NCAT 0.0 0.0-0.0 .000 0.0-0.0 .000 0.0-0.0 .000 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2013-14 JAC 11.5 1.1-2.7 .390 0.6-1.6 .354 1.4-1.6 .854 0.7 0.9 0.0 0.4 1.2 0.9 4.1
Look at Femi's stats pre-A&T vs A&T: SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 2017-18 NCAT 31.9 5.8-10.8 .536 0.6-1.9 .290 4.2-5.4 .776 7.7 1.2 0.7 0.4 2.7 2.5 16.3 2015-16 OAK 6.9 0.5-1.3 .382 0.0-0.1 .000 0.3-0.6 .467 1.6 0.2 0.1 0.0 0.9 0.2 1.2 2014-15 OAK 9.2 0.6-1.5 .375 0.0-0.3 .000 0.5-1.0 .481 1.6 0.4 0.1 0.1 1.2 0.9 1.7
I kinda feeling like aggieblackie. I'm not mad for them leaving, but the question is was it the right basketball move for them?
Hunt's numbers declined significantly.......I can't say he looked any better at State than he did at A&T. Did his draft stock rise after his transfer? I just don't see where his basketball game IMPROVED from the transfer.
Same thing for Pack. Did his draft stock improve after going from 17 ppg and 38% 3-pt shooting at A&T to 5.8 ppg and 32.6% 3-pt shooting at Maryland? I just don't see it.
Looking at Femi's game.....does anyone think he's gonna average anything remotely close to 16 and 8 at any of the schools on his wish list?
I'm not saying this to talk down on any of the aforementioned players, but the stats are what they are. I don't know if Coach Joyner sat down with Femi and had a "straight up" talk with him. If he did, he would have (or should have) said the following:
1) At A&T next year - you will be the undeniable centerpiece of the team and we'll do everything possible to make you MEAC player of the year. We won 20 games with you this year. We can win even more with you next year. You could go down in Aggie folklore as the dude who began the turnaround for Aggie basketball.
2) There is no guarantee you will get a whiff of playing time at Butler or Georgetown. You may get some clock at Hofstra and DePaul, but your numbers still aren't guaranteed to be 17 and 7, and the teams may fare no better in their success with you on them.
I'm all for a player doing what's best for them and their career.......but from where I stand, I just don't see where Hunt and Pack's careers IMPROVED after leaving T. I just don't see Femi being different than those 2.
If Femi wants to transfer just to get a feel of top-notched DI basketball, then I can't argue with him on that one. I just don't know if his quest to make it to the NBA will truly improve with his graduate transfer to one of those aforementioned schools.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 27, 2018 12:05:25 GMT -5
I am still mad because these guys were kicked to the curb by other schools and we scooped them up to help them. They showed no respect for us and forgot who saved their butts. They were not and or not going pro no way so they might as well show their loyalty and gratitude and play here to fight for a championship. While the logical side of me agrees that they got their degrees and earned the right to move on and fulfill their dreams, the above is how I really feel.
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