saabman
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Post by saabman on Sept 13, 2011 14:53:09 GMT -5
hollywoodswagga: We are not guys who just make comments out of the blue!! We talk about the game AS IS and if poor play is poor play but we also point out the good points too . We have a lot of guys that may or may not have played in the Secondary before, that are learning on the FLY!! because they are good Athletes . They have to have Self-confidence more then anything and if you don't have that in any sport it's hard to play your best. Coaches we just coach and hope that the players have that Self-Confidence too execute the plays with Aggressive Passion.!! You can tell a players that you believe in them but they have to believe in Themselves. To be Honest the only thing a player should be worried about is what his Position coach are Head coach thinks and that's it. Trust me if you could be a FLY ON THE WALL IN THE LOCKER ROOM!! ;D YOU WOULD HEAR A LOT WORSE THEN WHAT YOU READ ON THIS SITE!! BEEN THEIR KNOW THIS , A LOT WORSE !!
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Post by jaffejoffa on Sept 13, 2011 15:08:04 GMT -5
How do you critique someones performance when you dont know what you're looking at? Schemes and defenses can be complicated and what appears to be black and white to the casual fan, may not be what really occurred.
If a guy misses an open tackle, thats one thing. But being in the right position, area of the field to make a play comes down to the scheme. 2cents
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oleschoolaggie
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 13, 2011 15:28:51 GMT -5
swagga, i appreciate your comments and i'm sure you're only trying to protect the feelings of a college athlete. and as i stated earlier, i do not condone needless over-the-line criticism of our athletes.
yet at the same time, i don't consider someone's "opinion" that the kid can't play as "over-the-line". ya wanna see "over-the-line"? try watching a duke blue devils basketball game at cameron indoor stadium and you'll see plenty of it directed right at athletes "in person" all the time. some of it, you wouldn't want young children to see nor hear. college athletes, especially those at major d1 schools, take fan criticism almost everyday but to my knowledge, no one has committed suicide as a result. i'm not saying its right, but it comes with the territory. i wouldn't like it if it happened to my son or daughter, but it is what it is and it ain't gonna stop. also, i wholeheartedly disagree that college students are "kids". they're no longer "kids" anymore, they're young adults who are old enough to fight in wars.
personally, i went to the vul game but i don't remember noticing the play of #29, whoever that may be. so i haven't commented on his play. but, so what if an "anonymous" poster posted their opinion that he can't play? what harm should that do to a young adult? severely hurt his feelings? lower his self-esteem? retard his ability to lead a normal life? if so, the young man doesn't need better coaching. he needs counseling and should quit college football all together if he can't take fan criticism.
the "least" of his worries should come from some "anonymous" poster who could be anybody from anywhere. now if his coaches feel that way, that's worthy of concern. but an "anonymous" poster? c'mon, now. you blow it off and move on. or, prove them wrong.
and one last point, i guess its the former coach in me that makes this point. now let's be honest about coaching. yes, coaches can teach you fundamentals, techniques, along with mental and physical game preparation. but if an athlete can't play and he lacks athletic ability, i don't care if he has the best coach on the face of this planet, that won't make him a superior athlete. yes, a coach can teach fundamentals and techniques. but he can't teach talent. so let's not expect our coaches to turn every lemon into lemonade. sometimes, if a guy/gal can't play, the guy/gal just simply can't play...
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Post by jaffejoffa on Sept 13, 2011 16:35:00 GMT -5
some type of cover 3 buzz where the corner has deep third and a lb or safety has the underneath routes Raise your hand if you just learned something today...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 13, 2011 18:35:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the coverage is supposed to be here, but it's evident that the outside linebacker is responsible for the underneath area of the zone:
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Post by jaffejoffa on Sept 13, 2011 18:55:07 GMT -5
In shotgun formation when the back is to you, expect a stop route. In shotgun, as soon as the qb catches the ball, he's ready to throw it. Equivalent to a 3 step drop.
The reason our corners arent getting a good enough read is b/c he's not seeing the qb's drop. IF the qb is ready to throw immediately, theres no need to backpedal so fast, as our corner just did.
#2 receiver got a free release, imagine if he had of been haulin' a$$.. No way our safety could have covered him. Would have been 7pts for App.
-Unless he was completely ignoring everything that the coach has been teaching him all camp and yr long, this not the kids fault that he's not playing it right..
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 13, 2011 19:11:44 GMT -5
Not sure what the coverage is supposed to be here, but this is just some bad defense:
Looks like our corner caught a full body cramp as he was trying to break down and make that tackle.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 13, 2011 19:15:49 GMT -5
Fun Fact: The way Brain Quick just did our cornerback in the above video is the way I used to do those fools on the mean streets of Fondren and West Airport as a street football all-star.
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Post by krazykev on Sept 13, 2011 19:19:18 GMT -5
Not sure what the coverage is supposed to be here, but this is just some bad defense: Looks like our corner caught a full body cramp as he was trying to break down and make that tackle. Actually, he got picked or tripped by the other receiver causing him to fall down. I was standing right there on the field when that play was called.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Sept 13, 2011 19:20:55 GMT -5
LOL..
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Post by hollywoodswagga on Sept 13, 2011 20:28:06 GMT -5
LOL @ BORNTHRILLA
jaffejoffa is exactly right the formation dictates the routes an offense can run in the passing game. You can only run certain routes with certain formations. But there is a flaw in App States offense that we could have taken advantage of from what I saw in the game I watch with V Tech. They run a spread offense but their passing concepts make no sense. The first video shows app with 2 rec on each side with the rb left of the qb. Right now you can eliminate route combination without boring or taking up to much time trust me you can eliminate routes depending on what that back does. This is the problem with their offense its a quick route combination design to get the ball out fast but the rb stayed in to block. When a rb stays in to block the offense wants to protect the qb from the rush or the blitz to set up longer routes by wr. If we would have played a simple cov 2 the qb would not have anywhere to throw the ball bc the qb had no check down which should have been the rb flaring out to the flat since they did not need the rb to block with the ball having to come out qk.
But again I could go on and on with this stuff there were some other things I saw which could have help the players out with App States offense its not that complex of an offense to figure out.
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Post by aggierawdawg1923 on Sept 13, 2011 22:54:22 GMT -5
least somebdy knw what they talkn about (hollywoodswagga) oh an what was that part bout nigghas who havnt played a lick of football in they life tryna go Ham hahaha SMDH:D!!!!!
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Post by hollywoodswagga on Sept 14, 2011 8:40:19 GMT -5
My intentions were not to diminish or belittle people opinions who did not play football. I wanted to show that it may not be just as simple as putting someone else in. That schemes play a major role in how a player performs (or the perception of a players performance). Also, when I stated that former players know the struggles that are being a student athlete especially the last few years. Look at the winless season at first it was there was not enough talent on field. However, when you see the players on those teams who had made it to the professional ranks it made me think how is this possible with four or five guys to make it but have a winless seasons. And those players took a lot of criticism from fans for the team performance. Which is the reason why I said that former players would not blast current players given the fact they were criticize the most of the blame should been put elsewhere.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 14, 2011 12:21:17 GMT -5
App State's entire second scoring drive:
Analyze and discuss.
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saabman
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Post by saabman on Sept 14, 2011 16:29:46 GMT -5
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