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Post by The Professor on Jun 5, 2011 9:28:02 GMT -5
And how many years had Talladega had a basketball team. Hell these guys have never played a game We should NEVER play anyone from the USCAA or non-sanctioned body in any sport. Whether it's VUL in football or Talladega in basketball they shouldn't be on any of our schedules. We all should be able to agree on that point. Sounds like a leadership issue. Maybe the AD should make it clear to the coaches what he or she wants in a schedule
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Post by The Professor on Jun 5, 2011 9:31:00 GMT -5
you think practicing against ourselves prepares us better? the opponent doesn't have to be competitive for a scrimmage/exhibition game to be beneficial. the major d1 schools often play preseason exhibition basketball games against d2 teams that are far less talented than they are. do you think they do that for nothing? you don't think they learn anything from those games? Lesser talent is one thing, but NO TALENT is another. Do you think that I'm saying scheduling a cupcake is stupid? Thats not what I'm saying. I'm saying scheduling waaaaaaaay down like VUL is a waste. They are below what you call Div3. Give me ANY STABLE div2 school and I shut the hell up. And BCS schools dont play Div2 schools IN FOOTBALL. Most conferences wont allow it for the same reasons we are complaining on here. One division down or up is normally the rule for football. the MEAC has a 1 game limit on playing teams in Div2. Thats why we could only play WSSU OR NCCU when they were both Div2. I think that rule started in like 1998(and for good reason). Now they will probably make one saying you cant play more than 1 division up or down as well. There are reasons when NO ONE ever does something. Could be unethical to pound someone 2 divs lower than you(I think it is), could be that its not worth your or their time, could be against most conference rules. Rule started in 2000 that's why 99 was the last year we played WSSU and NCCU at the division II level And i agree 100 percent with your post.
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Post by The Professor on Jun 5, 2011 9:39:03 GMT -5
Obviously your sole motive for supporting this so-called game is for a "W". Have you considered the image this reflects. As long as you get your "W" everything will be grand right? How is this a way to build a program? What's next playing in the Hayes-Taylor Basketball League. You don't get it that this ain't a real football team, we have nothing in common except common missions at inception. Why not rename this event an exhibition, call it Fan Appreciation Day. Let everyone in free, tailgaters too. If we can schedule multiple exhibition games, do that also to ready the team for the season. Suggestong this is credible, quality opponent by putting them on the schedule and charging is something our University shouldn't be associated with and is at best bush league. given our situation, i'm not interested in how much credibility the game has. why is the credibility of the game so important? matter of fact, i don't even care if they don't call it a game and call it scrimmage instead. i don't care if a&t charges for the game or not. credibility of the game, quality of the opponent, and the ticket price being charged for vul is not important to me. what you call the game is not important to me. what's important to me is that we have an opportunity to test run our new coaches and our new schemes against a foreign opponent who is not better than us. that's what's important to me. yes, a "w" is important. but its not more important than not having an "L" on opening day. that's why i'm okay if we classify the game as a scrimmage or an exhibition game instead of an official game. i just don't want us going into boone the following week, already disadvantaged with less schollies and less practice time, having never tested our new regime and new schemes against an inferior opponent. app state will be a well oiled machine, their coaching staff has been stable for over 20 years. we can't not knowing anything about our team expect to go into boone and be competitive against a top 3 ranked fcs squad on their home field... So why don't we just schedule teams like this for all of our out of conference games so we will be prepared for the MEAC and get to the playoffs..... Since you think this "game" is going to make such a difference
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Post by DECKS on Jun 5, 2011 16:15:56 GMT -5
We should NEVER play anyone from the USCAA or non-sanctioned body in any sport. Whether it's VUL in football or Talladega in basketball they shouldn't be on any of our schedules. We all should be able to agree on that point. Sounds like a leadership issue. Maybe the AD should make it clear to the coaches what he or she wants in a schedule I think it's an issue of letting the coaches have a direct hand in setting up their schedules which I'm ok with. I do think there needs to be some parameters set after this VUL incident. For the last few years I and others on this board have loudly criticized Eaves for setting up games against the likes of St. Andrews, Montreat, Tenn. Wesleyan and the Merchant Marines. That's why I'll criticize Broadway for attempting to do the same with SPC and VUL. This is another reason Bibbs gets mad props on this board. She doesn't try to pad her schedule with unheard of opponents. Every coach should strive to follow her example.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 5, 2011 17:54:45 GMT -5
given our situation, i'm not interested in how much credibility the game has. why is the credibility of the game so important? matter of fact, i don't even care if they don't call it a game and call it scrimmage instead. i don't care if a&t charges for the game or not. credibility of the game, quality of the opponent, and the ticket price being charged for vul is not important to me. what you call the game is not important to me. what's important to me is that we have an opportunity to test run our new coaches and our new schemes against a foreign opponent who is not better than us. that's what's important to me. yes, a "w" is important. but its not more important than not having an "L" on opening day. that's why i'm okay if we classify the game as a scrimmage or an exhibition game instead of an official game. i just don't want us going into boone the following week, already disadvantaged with less schollies and less practice time, having never tested our new regime and new schemes against an inferior opponent. app state will be a well oiled machine, their coaching staff has been stable for over 20 years. we can't not knowing anything about our team expect to go into boone and be competitive against a top 3 ranked fcs squad on their home field... So why don't we just schedule teams like this for all of our out of conference games so we will be prepared for the MEAC and get to the playoffs..... Since you think this "game" is going to make such a difference if you notice, i almost always preference my opinion regarding the vul game with the phrase "given our situation". under ideal circumstances, i would not advocate playing this game at all, period. but, again, "given our situation", i don't have a problem with it no matter how sorry they are. i don't even care if it doesn't count in the win column. a lot of folk approach this vul thing as if this is and will continue to be the norm. i don't see it that way at all. i see it as a brand new coaching staff and a new ad coming onboard late in the game without enough time to put together a 2011 recruiting class or a 2011 ooc schedule. "given our situation", i see vul as a last ditch effort to test drive our new car before going to the indy 500. i could care less what outsiders think and i'm not embarrassed by it one bit. folk who are calling for a tougher opponent is understandable, but they're thinking from a fan's perspective instead of a coach's perspective. i guarantee ya if those folk were the head coach and their job depended on it, they'd give vul more thought. broadway does not have a history of playing the likes of vul or any other cupcake for that matter. he didn't do it a central and he didn't do it at grambling. so why do you suppose he apparently is in favor of playing one now? to me, the answer to that question is because of our unique circumstances. i've listed about 10 factors previously that in my opinion justified scheduling this game, so i won't repeat myself here. broadway ain't no punk, in fact he's quite the contrary. so he must have legit reasons for scheduling a game like this...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jun 5, 2011 18:04:11 GMT -5
I think Broadway wanted St Paul(cupcake) game, but I dont think he "wanted" VUL. They need a home game and they took first available. I dont think he had much of a choice or say so there. They are not going to just not play a home game if they can get someone(ANYONE) to come.
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Post by aggiechamp on Jun 5, 2011 18:57:14 GMT -5
This is one more example of the diminution of our brand. That is, we would stoop to this. If we keep going down this road, we won't be those arrogant Aggies more! This my friends is shameful and don't think our bretheren in and out of the conference won't let us know it. Once we start down this path, there is no going back.
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Post by aggie2ru on Jun 5, 2011 19:46:10 GMT -5
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jun 5, 2011 20:22:19 GMT -5
I'm not too upset over this. I understand why we're in this predicament (St Paul folded its athletics dept at a time when ALL SCHEDULES had been virtually set). VUL is a last-gasp attempt at getting a game on Labor Day. I get it......I just have a problem playing an institution that never has had a football team, may not even know how to play a decent brand of football and ultimately may not have a football team come Sept 3rd.
You can say it's good to test your team against a squad to work the kinks out ---- how about against a squad that may not even play a legitimate brand of football??? It's almost as if VUL is trying to put an intramural squad together and brand it as a legitimate college football team. This ain't an organized football program.
To put it in laymen's terms, we talk about wanting to schedule a cupcake. VUL ain't even a cupcake. Right now they're cake mix, canola oil, a few eggs, butter, flour, milk and some sugar. They ain't even put together yet......TO EVEN BE CONSIDERED A CUPCAKE.
That, in essence, is why I ain't cool with this game. We can argue all we want about about what Hilton did or didn't do. The fact remains that St Paul folded it's program on May 10th. This is extremely late in the game to expect for a normal resolution to occur.
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Post by DECKS on Jun 5, 2011 20:33:32 GMT -5
Cake mix? Fell out! Lol, we probably will have to pay them early so they can get uni's and rent a bus to get to Greensboro.
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Post by aggie2ru on Jun 5, 2011 21:52:56 GMT -5
Da bad outweighs da good!!!! We should not play this game. Just have an open date. We should not have scheduled St. Paul's in the first place. We have NEVER played them in nuthin b4 we scheduled them this year. We been around since 1891 (120 yrs.) sumtimes we look like we just came on the scene!!! It's time to Wake Up, Wake Up! GO AGGIES
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jun 6, 2011 8:24:09 GMT -5
"cake mix". That's the best description of them yet. If you seen my short roster breakdown in the Private Forum, most would agree with you.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 6, 2011 9:06:20 GMT -5
i have yet to read a better alternative that meets the goals of a new staff. folk can say all they want about what vul lacks and they won't get an argument from me. but given our circumstances, what's a better alternative? and if you can think of it, why can't broadway?
folk are all up in arms over nothing. its just one game in the history of a&t football that no one will remember. and just to correct a previous post, a&t has played st. paul's in sports before. in fact, not only have we played them in sports before, but we've played them in football 18 times...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jun 6, 2011 9:55:56 GMT -5
i have yet to read a better alternative that meets the goals of a new staff. folk can say all they want about what vul lacks and they won't get an argument from me. but given our circumstances, what's a better alternative? and if you can think of it, why can't broadway? folk are all up arms over nothing. its just one game in the history of a&t football that no one will remember. and just to correct a previous post, a&t has played st. paul's in sports before. in fact, not only have we played them in sports before, but we've played them in football 18 times... Other than not playing I think everyone realizes the alternatives are low. Since NOT playing a game at all is not an option, all we can do is make fun of this joke of a Labor Day weekend game and try and make the best of it when we show up. I guess I'll try to enjoy some food at the tailgate cause this game aint going to tell me nothing about our squad. About all I'll be able to critique in this game is how well our QB can deliver the ball under ZERO pressure.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 6, 2011 10:04:15 GMT -5
I think Broadway wanted St Paul(cupcake) game, but I dont think he "wanted" VUL. They need a home game and they took first available. I dont think he had much of a choice or say so there. They are not going to just not play a home game if they can get someone(ANYONE) to come. i agree with that. i don't believe its broadway's preference to play vul. my guess is that he was faced with a take it or leave it proposition and realized something (no matter how insignificant) is better than nothing. i really don't see this as an earth shattering revelation. all the crying is uncalled for in my opinion. its a glorified scrimmage at best where your players have latitude to make mistakes without paying for it on the scoreboard. its like a baby crawling before it walks. yet, folk expect to come out of the wound walking, but it just doesn't work that way. this is not a video game...
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