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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 2, 2011 17:15:41 GMT -5
I have read a lot of posts that talks about it wasn't A&T's fault about this and it wasn't A&T's fault about that. We all have been around a "poor soul" that always seems to have things go wrong against him or her. Things go wrong even when you think that person has all the where-with-all to have some success. Well, A&T isn't supposed to be that poor soul. The people running things all have advanced degrees, have worked at other colleges and universities, have experience as a professional in their career. Blaming previous position holders don't cut it when mistakes are still being made. Yet, all the "Old Schoolers" want to do, is give excuses why A&T can't get a damn game when there are a number of other colleges that needed a game and the best A&T could come up with are two very small, very poor, church-supported colleges that shouldn't be in the football business in the first place. And as of now, VUL isn't exactly in the football business because they have no team other than a few guys' names on a piece of paper, if they have it. I want someone, anyone to show Blue Death Valley readers proof other than a website with a future schedule, that VUL has a football team.I warn ya, that those football game pictures on VUL website are of other schools. i dunno, jazz. i'm usually hard on our admins, especially those of the past. but i'm giving them a pass on this one. sure, i agree things probably could've been handled better. but i just don't think our last 9 to 12 months has been a normal 9 to 12 months. we've been dealing with a lot of adversity. staff coming and going, potential lawsuits, pr nightmares, very late hiring of our football coach, late hiring of a permanent ad, major apr issues, etc. if it had been a normal year, i'd agree that we should've done better than st. paul's or vul. but this has not been a normal year and others may disagree, but i think its critically important to win our first game. otherwise, i'd rather not play on 9/3 unless i have a better than 50/50 chance i'd win the game. i also think its important that a 9/3 game be played on our home field, which makes the pickings even thinner. a&t and howard are the only meac teams who will play more meac away games (5) than meac home games (3). everybody else has at least 4 meac home games, hampton and ssu actually has 5 meac home games. so to me, our hands were tied. and if you want to blame our admins for anything, i think it should be that we didn't reconstruct our athletic department and implement changes to our athlete's physical process fast enough to have a normal administration year. but i don't blame them for that, that would've been very difficult to do... |
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jun 2, 2011 19:16:45 GMT -5
Would I rather us play VUL or No one? The answer is VUL. Would I rather us play VUL or someone else? The answer is someone else, but I understand the situation that we might not have a choice due to St Paul drop out, etc Do I think Broadway is stupid? No Do I think this game is a waste? I think it WILL be(key words are "think" and "will"). You can(and will) find out you're over matched after 1 quarter of play and lay down. If they lay down our staff wont learn jack from this game in my opinion. If they give us a game then its all good. I'll be able to tell from watching the game if its us that were bad or them just better than we thought they would be. monster, i agree with all of that, except the part about its still a waste if they lay down. if they lay down, the only thing we won't know is how physically talented our guys really are. but even if vul lays down, that doesn't mean we can't carry out our assignments. vul may not put up a lot of resistance, but we'll still have assignments to execute. its just that the physical aspect of execution will not be as challenging as we'd like. but guys still need to know where they're suppose to be on every play and what they're suppose to do when they get there. that's what i'd be looking at if i were a coach. does our guys know what they're doing and do they know what to execute both offensively and defensively. if vul lays down, we may not learn if our guys can execute against equal or better competition, but we'll learn if they know "what" and "how" to execute. but i know what you're trying to say. i think you're trying to say if vul lays down, we won't learn very much regarding the physical aspect of our team and i agree with that. but we still could learn a lot regarding the mental aspect of our team, even if vul lays down. for example, if we call a screen play, but our o-line run blocks, we'll know they don't know "what" or "how" to execute that screen play... We'll just have to agree to disagree on that last point then. The way I look at it is that playing a game like this causes bad habits due to overconfidence and creates a shock value(that may take a quarter or 2 to wear off) when you go against much better talent the next game. I really hope they dont lay down or at least have some decent athletes(if the game even happens), so Broadway and staff can evaluate better. I'm leaning with aggiejazz, not being convinced they will field a football team this year. |
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Post by DECKS on Jun 2, 2011 23:38:35 GMT -5
I have read a lot of posts that talks about it wasn't A&T's fault about this and it wasn't A&T's fault about that. We all have been around a "poor soul" that always seems to have things go wrong against him or her. Things go wrong even when you think that person has all the where-with-all to have some success. Well, A&T isn't supposed to be that poor soul. The people running things all have advanced degrees, have worked at other colleges and universities, have experience as a professional in their career. Blaming previous position holders don't cut it when mistakes are still being made. Yet, all the "Old Schoolers" want to do, is give excuses why A&T can't get a damn game when there are a number of other colleges that needed a game and the best A&T could come up with are two very small, very poor, church-supported colleges that shouldn't be in the football business in the first place. And as of now, VUL isn't exactly in the football business because they have no team other than a few guys' names on a piece of paper, if they have it. I want someone, anyone to show Blue Death Valley readers proof other than a website with a future schedule, that VUL has a football team.I warn ya, that those football game pictures on VUL website are of other schools. In hindsight I think you are mostly correct. We never should have sought out a cupcake game with St Pauls and definitely not VUL. I also think VUL fielding a team will be very iffy. J azz, when basketball season rolls around I want you to be just as critical of Eaves when he sets up these little sister of the poor opponents. |
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Post by The Professor on Jun 3, 2011 6:18:20 GMT -5
U can't put Eaves into this. He might schedule a cupcake or 2 but at least they are a member of a governing body and have some history of playing.
Lets just be real. A&T dropped the ball and as usual , it the fans that will suffer
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jun 3, 2011 6:44:37 GMT -5
U can't put Eaves into this. He might schedule a cupcake or 2 but at least they are a member of a governing body and have some history of playing. Lets just be real. A&T dropped the ball and as usual , it the fans that will suffer I agree, its not the same thing. Eaves has plenty of money games prior to going into MEAC play to make up for playing a couple of cupcakes. |
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Post by aggiebred09 on Jun 3, 2011 7:20:14 GMT -5
I blame the administration. Not Broadway. We are playing VUL because of lackluster leadership in game scheduling and the mismanagement of the WSSU situation. If this would have happened under Wheels watch we would have opened a forum to have his head. We would cry sabotage.
**Disclaimer: This is not a post in support of bringing Wheels back or overturning Athletic Administration.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jun 3, 2011 7:57:14 GMT -5
I dont think anyone has even considered or thought about blaming Broadway for this. But for those who think we shouldn't play a game at all think about this. We have an opportunity to have a gate or NO gate. Which do you think the administration will take?
A&T does not have the luxury of turning down early season gate money. So for those even thinking Broadway had a choice to play VUL or no one you would be highly mistaken. $#%%@, you playing somebody!
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Post by aggie2ru on Jun 3, 2011 8:17:14 GMT -5
I would still like to know what errrrrrrrrone thinks we should charge at the gate and what will be the approximate number of people that will come to the scrimmage (uh game)!!!! Remember get your popcorn ready! GO AGGIES!!!!
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Post by aggiebred09 on Jun 3, 2011 8:19:34 GMT -5
We should charge 10 dollars and 5 for the game zone
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 3, 2011 8:43:22 GMT -5
The better question is what do you think we will charge. I'm thinking normal prices.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 3, 2011 9:16:42 GMT -5
given our financial situation and the rolling out of the fanzone, i don't see how they could charge anything other than normal ticket prices...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2011 9:41:25 GMT -5
1. I think we all just need to take a step back and woo-sa. Nothing has not been confirmed yet.
2. This has been a very interesting year for scheduling.
3. I do agree with everyone else in that if the VUL game is scheduled, we missed out on a great opportunity to get a better game with a better quality opponent. We had opportunities with WSSU, New Hampshire, Tenn. Tech, St. Aug, Alcorn, etc... Most of us do not know why we couldn't reach a deal with either of these teams.
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Post by DECKS on Jun 3, 2011 10:51:23 GMT -5
1. I think we all just need to take a step back and woo-sa. Nothing has not been confirmed yet. 2. This has been a very interesting year for scheduling. 3. I do agree with everyone else in that if the VUL game is scheduled, we missed out on a great opportunity to get a better game with a better quality opponent. We had opportunities with WSSU, New Hampshire, Tenn. Tech, St. Aug, Alcorn, etc... Most of us do not know why we couldn't reach a deal with either of these teams. I've verified with VUL officials and Earl Hilton that the contract signing is close at hand. Unless something else weird happens the contract will be signed any second now. |
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Post by aggiejazz on Jun 3, 2011 10:54:15 GMT -5
Blaming previous position holders don't cut it when mistakes are still being made. Yet, all the "Old Schoolers" want to do, is give excuses why A&T can't get a damn game when there are a number of other colleges that needed a game and the best A&T could come up with are two very small, very poor, church-supported colleges that shouldn't be in the football business in the first place. And as of now, VUL isn't exactly in the football business because they have no team other than a few guys' names on a piece of paper, if they have it. I want someone, anyone to show Blue Death Valley readers proof other than a website with a future schedule, that VUL has a football team.I warn ya, that those football game pictures on VUL website are of other schools. In hindsight I think you are mostly correct. We never should have sought out a cupcake game with St Pauls and definitely not VUL. I also think VUL fielding a team will be very iffy. J azz, when basketball season rolls around I want you to be just as critical of Eaves when he sets up these little sister of the poor opponents. My main argument isn't about cupcakes. It is about doing business with people who can help ensure A&T is successful in its business planning, partnerships and transactions. A&T is dealing with people, VUL, who are trying to make a name for their small college in a hurry by cutting out a bunch of steps in the collegiate athletic process. VUL is running a sports website that is close to that of confidence scam. VUL is no even close to joining the CIAA or even considered. I have a very good source on this. VUL is not even recognized by the Dept of Education of having a athletic department. All colleges including community college with athletic programs are registered with the Dept of Ed. So, go ahead and continue to be delusional about A&T getting a win against a fictional football team. The admission cost should be a donation perferrably $10 to tailgate and listen to the "Blue and Gold" Marching Band with special performances by Golden Delight and Cold Steel. AG-GIE Pride!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by DECKS on Jun 3, 2011 12:21:17 GMT -5
U can't put Eaves into this. He might schedule a cupcake or 2 but at least they are a member of a governing body and have some history of playing. Once you drop below D-II then a cupcake is all the same in my opinion. The governing body is the United States Collegiate Athletic Conference. Ironically when Eaves scheduled Talladega College back in 2008 they were playing in the same USCAA affiliation that VUL is a member of. |
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