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Post by DECKS on Jun 3, 2011 12:27:09 GMT -5
In hindsight I think you are mostly correct. We never should have sought out a cupcake game with St Pauls and definitely not VUL. I also think VUL fielding a team will be very iffy. J azz, when basketball season rolls around I want you to be just as critical of Eaves when he sets up these little sister of the poor opponents. My main argument isn't about cupcakes. It is about doing business with people who can help ensure A&T is successful in its business planning, partnerships and transactions. A&T is dealing with people, VUL, who are trying to make a name for their small college in a hurry by cutting out a bunch of steps in the collegiate athletic process. VUL is running a sports website that is close to that of confidence scam. VUL is no even close to joining the CIAA or even considered. I have a very good source on this. VUL is not even recognized by the Dept of Education of having a athletic department. All colleges including community college with athletic programs are registered with the Dept of Ed. So, go ahead and continue to be delusional about A&T getting a win against a fictional football team. The admission cost should be a donation perferrably $10 to tailgate and listen to the "Blue and Gold" Marching Band with special performances by Golden Delight and Cold Steel. AG-GIE Pride!!!!!!!!! Uh, we're actually in agreement that A&T should not be entering into a contract with this school primarily for the reasons you list. I'm even taking it a step further and saying we should not be scheduling any school outside of D-II for any sport. We shouldn't have selective persecution on this issue.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jun 3, 2011 13:19:15 GMT -5
In hindsight I think you are mostly correct. We never should have sought out a cupcake game with St Pauls and definitely not VUL. I also think VUL fielding a team will be very iffy. J azz, when basketball season rolls around I want you to be just as critical of Eaves when he sets up these little sister of the poor opponents. It is about doing business with people who can help ensure A&T is successful in its business planning, partnerships and transactions. A&T is dealing with people, VUL, who are trying to make a name for their small college in a hurry by cutting out a bunch of steps in the collegiate athletic process. VUL is running a sports website that is close to that of confidence scam. VUL is no even close to joining the CIAA or even considered. I have a very good source on this. VUL is not even recognized by the Dept of Education of having a athletic department. All colleges including community college with athletic programs are registered with the Dept of Ed. So, go ahead and continue to be delusional about A&T getting a win against a fictional football team. The admission cost should be a donation perferrably $10 to tailgate and listen to the "Blue and Gold" Marching Band with special performances by Golden Delight and Cold Steel. My main argument isn't about cupcakes. AG-GIE Pride!!!!!!!!! Based on the above I did a little research and if the site I looked at is correct they have 267 studens with 116 of them being male. So i guess 1/3 of the mail population plays non-scholarship football ? You got to have around 30 to at least have a team. I have no problem with playing a cup cake but this is more like one those mini muffins you get in a bag at 7-11 for 69 cents ! Before we schedule this game someone might need to take a trip to Lynchburg to see if they really have a team. If they show up with 20 out of shape guys its going to an embarresment to A&T to even field the game.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jun 3, 2011 13:20:01 GMT -5
Based on the above I did a little research and if the site I looked at is correct they have 267 studens with 116 of them being male. So i guess 1/3 of the mail population plays non-scholarship football ? You got to have around 30 to at least have a team.
I have no problem with playing a cup cake but this is more like one those mini muffins you get in a bag at 7-11 for 69 cents !
Before we schedule this game someone might need to take a trip to Lynchburg to see if they really have a team. If they show up with 20 out of shape guys its going to an embarresment to A&T to even field the game.
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Post by Aggie77 on Jun 3, 2011 23:52:35 GMT -5
U can't put Eaves into this. He might schedule a cupcake or 2 but at least they are a member of a governing body and have some history of playing. Once you drop below D-II then a cupcake is all the same in my opinion. The governing body is the United States Collegiate Athletic Conference. Ironically when Eaves scheduled Talladega College back in 2008 they were playing in the same USCAA affiliation that VUL is a member of. VUL is not a member of the USCAA and the USCAA doesn't sanctions/govern collegiate football. It kinda hard to be a member when they don't have a football team, and equally difficult when the governing body misleadingly listed on your athletic website doesn't govern football. Will the maddness ever stop!!!
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Post by DECKS on Jun 4, 2011 8:34:38 GMT -5
Once you drop below D-II then a cupcake is all the same in my opinion. The governing body is the United States Collegiate Athletic Conference. Ironically when Eaves scheduled Talladega College back in 2008 they were playing in the same USCAA affiliation that VUL is a member of. VUL is not a member of the USCAA and the USCAA doesn't sanctions/govern collegiate football. It kinda hard to be a member when they don't have a football team, and equally difficult when the governing body misleadingly listed on your athletic website doesn't govern football. Will the maddness ever stop!!! I didn't even catch that. They just need to take that website down. It's apparently nothing more than a blend of stock photo's and portions of the USCAA site. For all of you who don't want to see this game happen then you need to contact Earl Hilton and give him your feedback like I did.
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Post by The Professor on Jun 4, 2011 10:58:58 GMT -5
U can't put Eaves into this. He might schedule a cupcake or 2 but at least they are a member of a governing body and have some history of playing. Once you drop below D-II then a cupcake is all the same in my opinion. The governing body is the United States Collegiate Athletic Conference. Ironically when Eaves scheduled Talladega College back in 2008 they were playing in the same USCAA affiliation that VUL is a member of. And how many years had Talladega had a basketball team. Hell these guys have never played a game
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Post by The Professor on Jun 4, 2011 11:00:54 GMT -5
I blame the administration. Not Broadway. We are playing VUL because of lackluster leadership in game scheduling and the mismanagement of the WSSU situation. If this would have happened under Wheels watch we would have opened a forum to have his head. We would cry sabotage. **Disclaimer: This is not a post in support of bringing Wheels back or overturning Athletic Administration. Trust and know, Broadway wanted the easiest team as possible. Remember New Hampshire was very interested. Broadway turned that down. He don't want none of WSSU either. Because they are loaded. Hmm, Lackluster leadership..... now where have i heard that at A&T. Its a damn shame the buzzards working on their 2014 and 15 schedule and we can't do our 11 yet
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Post by DECKS on Jun 4, 2011 12:24:31 GMT -5
Once you drop below D-II then a cupcake is all the same in my opinion. The governing body is the United States Collegiate Athletic Conference. Ironically when Eaves scheduled Talladega College back in 2008 they were playing in the same USCAA affiliation that VUL is a member of. And how many years had Talladega had a basketball team. Hell these guys have never played a game We should NEVER play anyone from the USCAA or non-sanctioned body in any sport. Whether it's VUL in football or Talladega in basketball they shouldn't be on any of our schedules. We all should be able to agree on that point.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 4, 2011 12:52:30 GMT -5
fellas, aside from losing the game, what's the worst that can happen if we play vul? versus what's the alternative and the worst that can happen with the alternative?
imo, aside from losing the game, the worst that can happen if we play vul is embarrassment. yet, it will have zero impact beyond the first game of the season. to me, its only one game and its not a big deal.
as long as we're not violating any ncaa rules, i could care less who sanctions vul. the way i see it, its nothing more than a scrimmage against a scrumb team and unless there's a better alternative out there for 9/3, i'm accepting that and i'm prepared to move on.
folks who are against this game, what is the alternative and is the alternative gonna help build our program? let's not get into fan preference for a more entertaining game. we are in rebuild mode, suffering from major apr issues, lack a full allotment of schollies, and we're not allowed to practice as many hours as everybody else. i don't think any other meac school is in a similar predicament as we are...
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Post by Aggie77 on Jun 4, 2011 14:43:01 GMT -5
fellas, aside from losing the game, what's the worst that can happen if we play vul? versus what's the alternative and the worst that can happen with the alternative? imo, aside from losing the game, the worst that can happen if we play vul is embarrassment. yet, it will have zero impact beyond the first game of the season. to me, its only one game and its not a big deal. as long as we're not violating any ncaa rules, i could care less who sanctions vul. the way i see it, its nothing more than a scrimmage against a scrumb team and unless there's a better alternative out there for 9/3, i'm accepting that and i'm prepared to move on. folks who are against this game, what is the alternative and is the alternative gonna help build our program? let's not get into fan preference for a more entertaining game. we are in rebuild mode, suffering from major apr issues, lack a full allotment of schollies, and we're not allowed to practice as many hours as everybody else. i don't think any other meac school is in a similar predicament as we are... Obviously your sole motive for supporting this so-called game is for a "W". Have you considered the image this reflects. As long as you get your "W" everything will be grand right? How is this a way to build a program? What's next playing in the Hayes-Taylor Basketball League. You don't get it that this ain't a real football team, we have nothing in common except common missions at inception. Why not rename this event an exhibition, call it Fan Appreciation Day. Let everyone in free, tailgaters too. If we can schedule multiple exhibition games, do that also to ready the team for the season. Suggestong this is credible, quality opponent by putting them on the schedule and charging is something our University shouldn't be associated with and is at best bush league.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 4, 2011 15:46:13 GMT -5
fellas, aside from losing the game, what's the worst that can happen if we play vul? versus what's the alternative and the worst that can happen with the alternative? imo, aside from losing the game, the worst that can happen if we play vul is embarrassment. yet, it will have zero impact beyond the first game of the season. to me, its only one game and its not a big deal. as long as we're not violating any ncaa rules, i could care less who sanctions vul. the way i see it, its nothing more than a scrimmage against a scrumb team and unless there's a better alternative out there for 9/3, i'm accepting that and i'm prepared to move on. folks who are against this game, what is the alternative and is the alternative gonna help build our program? let's not get into fan preference for a more entertaining game. we are in rebuild mode, suffering from major apr issues, lack a full allotment of schollies, and we're not allowed to practice as many hours as everybody else. i don't think any other meac school is in a similar predicament as we are... Obviously your sole motive for supporting this so-called game is for a "W". Have you considered the image this reflects. As long as you get your "W" everything will be grand right? How is this a way to build a program? What's next playing in the Hayes-Taylor Basketball League. You don't get it that this ain't a real football team, we have nothing in common except common missions at inception. Why not rename this event an exhibition, call it Fan Appreciation Day. Let everyone in free, tailgaters too. If we can schedule multiple exhibition games, do that also to ready the team for the season. Suggestong this is credible, quality opponent by putting them on the schedule and charging is something our University shouldn't be associated with and is at best bush league. given our situation, i'm not interested in how much credibility the game has. why is the credibility of the game so important? matter of fact, i don't even care if they don't call it a game and call it scrimmage instead. i don't care if a&t charges for the game or not. credibility of the game, quality of the opponent, and the ticket price being charged for vul is not important to me. what you call the game is not important to me. what's important to me is that we have an opportunity to test run our new coaches and our new schemes against a foreign opponent who is not better than us. that's what's important to me. yes, a "w" is important. but its not more important than not having an "L" on opening day. that's why i'm okay if we classify the game as a scrimmage or an exhibition game instead of an official game. i just don't want us going into boone the following week, already disadvantaged with less schollies and less practice time, having never tested our new regime and new schemes against an inferior opponent. app state will be a well oiled machine, their coaching staff has been stable for over 20 years. we can't not knowing anything about our team expect to go into boone and be competitive against a top 3 ranked fcs squad on their home field...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jun 4, 2011 15:55:50 GMT -5
And playing VUL wont show you none of what you just said.
Only reason I dont give a damn is because he school needs another home gate. I'm not really behind the scenes to know who else would have agreed to coming to A&T this year without a return game promised, but if it was VUL or no one then I'll take VUL strictly because we need a home gate. Nothing more. Playing them will not prepare us for App at all.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 4, 2011 19:53:03 GMT -5
And playing VUL wont show you none of what you just said. Only reason I dont give a damn is because he school needs another home gate. I'm not really behind the scenes to know who else would have agreed to coming to A&T this year without a return game promised, but if it was VUL or no one then I'll take VUL strictly because we need a home gate. Nothing more. Playing them will not prepare us for App at all. you think practicing against ourselves prepares us better? the opponent doesn't have to be competitive for a scrimmage/exhibition game to be beneficial. the major d1 schools often play preseason exhibition basketball games against d2 teams that are far less talented than they are. do you think they do that for nothing? you don't think they learn anything from those games?
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Post by aggie2ru on Jun 4, 2011 20:23:12 GMT -5
Good commentary and view points on possible UVL game. Personally, I think it will be "BUSH LEAGUE'" to play them and an insult to our school, players, and fans!!! Realistically, (not speaking as the die-heart that I am) I don't think we can be anyway near competitive with App St. this year. Any potential game w/UVL will prove nuthin in that regard. Point blank-App St. is out of our league!! Broadway can't save his face and his azzzzz at the same time. He just has to take his licks and move on from there. Wheels scheduled this game to produce income and he was hoping we would be much better as a team by now. We just have to roll with it now. There are no EASY ways out and no SHORTCUTS. We have to man up and stop stooping to all time LOWS if we want to be where we should be. NO, I am not in favor of a game like this and didn't like the idea of playing St. Paul's. We could have played a much more competitive team, still gotten a "W", and tested our team's progress by making better choices. We are in the position we are in because of BAD choices, after bad choices, after bad choices.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jun 5, 2011 8:50:54 GMT -5
And playing VUL wont show you none of what you just said. Only reason I dont give a damn is because he school needs another home gate. I'm not really behind the scenes to know who else would have agreed to coming to A&T this year without a return game promised, but if it was VUL or no one then I'll take VUL strictly because we need a home gate. Nothing more. Playing them will not prepare us for App at all. you think practicing against ourselves prepares us better? the opponent doesn't have to be competitive for a scrimmage/exhibition game to be beneficial. the major d1 schools often play preseason exhibition basketball games against d2 teams that are far less talented than they are. do you think they do that for nothing? you don't think they learn anything from those games? Lesser talent is one thing, but NO TALENT is another. Do you think that I'm saying scheduling a cupcake is stupid? Thats not what I'm saying. I'm saying scheduling waaaaaaaay down like VUL is a waste. They are below what you call Div3. Give me ANY STABLE div2 school and I shut the hell up. And BCS schools dont play Div2 schools IN FOOTBALL. Most conferences wont allow it for the same reasons we are complaining on here. One division down or up is normally the rule for football. the MEAC has a 1 game limit on playing teams in Div2. Thats why we could only play WSSU OR NCCU when they were both Div2. I think that rule started in like 1998(and for good reason). Now they will probably make one saying you cant play more than 1 division up or down as well. There are reasons when NO ONE ever does something. Could be unethical to pound someone 2 divs lower than you(I think it is), could be that its not worth your or their time, could be against most conference rules.
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