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Post by DOOMS on Jun 27, 2007 12:32:34 GMT -5
In my opinion if a coach shows up at a program with the attitude that every player on that team is not his player he deserves what he gets. Again, I ain't never heard Fobbs complain which I can respect. He didn't recruit them but they are student athletes at North Carolina A&T State University and he is the head coach. They are now HIS players and he either will get the best out of them or get out his resume.
I understand hyping up your nephew. I'm just saying let's wait until the boy hits the field before we make him all MEAC. Right now he has potential. So did the guy that parks my car when I go to work.
Even if your nephew is all-world he can't do it alone and he can't do it in the wrong schemes. He might be a great linebacker on a team with good players placed in the proper scheme. We've had Parade All-Americans (quite a few, actually) that didn't do jack when they got to A&T. I'm not doubting your word or your nephew's abilities, I'm just not going to put too many expectations on him considering the situation he's coming into.
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Post by japan on Jun 27, 2007 13:13:01 GMT -5
In my opinion there were a lot of factors that lead 0-11 season not just b/c of players or coaching you can not point to one reason and think a couple pieces will lead to a significant turn around if people really look when small's coaching staff came in they were already behind if my memory is correct he was hired in the middle of january they missed one year of recruiting then when haynes was fired that 2002 team was a rebuilding year in every position there were freshman and soph playing they went 4-8 that season however there were some decisions that were made that ultimately set the team further behind this past season there was no s&c there few players to show for summer w/o's, also players did not earn anything it was given to new players so players did not work hard enough b/c they knew coming in that they would be playing if you look at it to me it seems like some of same stuff is happening all aver again no s&c players not having to work for spots..etc you can not blame this on one thing...players, coaching...etc but someonehas to be accoutable
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Post by Uncle AJ on Jun 27, 2007 13:23:32 GMT -5
Well you say Hampton.. We know that the SEC has no equal when it comes to signings.. It's making the team that counts. You cannot even compare a guy starting ahead of Alan Branch.. Cause he was not the player then, that he is now. Cause you can go down every roster and say that about every player in the game.. Very few Player start as freshmen and dominate thier whole college carreers. That would be crazy.. As for Rob.. He is not All World. I never said that.. I have been coaching too long to say something like that. But I do know his work ethic is there.. Check the stories on him.. That way you will know what I mean.. Like Graduatin high school on a Tue. and showing up at 6 a.m the following monday working out at Ole Miss and Going to class later that day. That's what he brings to A&T.. Hard Work!!! and just a bit of TALENT too.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Jun 28, 2007 19:48:00 GMT -5
Uncle AJ, I think that you have bought waaaayyy too much into Fobbs recruiting spill and sales pitch. Just look at his track record, resume from the last 10 years. The reason that so many "impact" players from last years names are not currently on the preliminary roster is because they have either left a&t, transfered or are academically ineligible. When the names of players not returning because of grades and transfer comes out, you guys will definitley be pissed off and want some answers. I understand being optimistic on the season and hyping up big Rob, but make sure Rob understands the situation that he is going into..Have you talked to any of the current players or just the coaching staff?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jun 29, 2007 2:30:39 GMT -5
This team was 0-11 last year ... and 3-8 the two years prior to that.
This team did not suddenly get bad overnight. Its been bad for quite a while now.
In fact, this program has only won more than 4 games just once in the last five years.
2002: 4-8
2003: 10-3
2004: 3-8
2005: 3-8
2006: 0-11
That my friend is a program is steady decline.
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Post by aggiejazz on Jun 29, 2007 6:28:51 GMT -5
This team was 0-11 last year ... and 3-8 the two years prior to that. This team did not suddenly get bad overnight. Its been bad for quite a while now. In fact, this program has only won more than 4 games just once in the last five years. 2002: 4-8 2003: 10-3 2004: 3-8 2005: 3-8 2006: 0-11 That my friend is a program is steady decline. In each of those losing season except last year, 2006, there were 3 or 4 games that were close but did not go the Aggies way. In 2006 all the games were definitely decided as a loss for A&T by the end of the 3rd quarter. We will know by mid year if it was simply bad timing for Fobbs or bad coaching. I must remind you that A&T has had some terrible years in football but never in the history of A&T football have they ever gone 0-fer until last year.
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 29, 2007 8:29:34 GMT -5
I usually call thrilla a coon for making his "Small is a program destroyer" comments because, well, it's a coonish comment.
But there is no disputing that the program is in a free-fall decline and hopefully has hit rock bottom. In 02 we lost every game except one by a td or less. In 03 we turned that around. In 04 we got blown out about three times, in 05 around five times and in 06 11 times and they were all over by halftime.
It didn't happen overnight.
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Jun 29, 2007 9:16:55 GMT -5
Uncle AJ, I think that you have bought waaaayyy too much into Fobbs recruiting spill and sales pitch. Just look at his track record, resume from the last 10 years. The reason that so many "impact" players from last years names are not currently on the preliminary roster is because they have either left a&t, transfered or are academically ineligible. When the names of players not returning because of grades and transfer comes out, you guys will definitley be pissed off and want some answers. I understand being optimistic on the season and hyping up big Rob, but make sure Rob understands the situation that he is going into..Have you talked to any of the current players or just the coaching staff? Kids leave programs every year for one reason or another. So there is no need to be surprised when you don't see a particular kid's name on the roster. I don't believe our attrition rate is any better or worse than most black college programs. JMO....
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Post by holdum on Jul 1, 2007 19:04:48 GMT -5
I'm not looking for answers about why Mike Haye, Darius Martin, Montaze McCrae or Linoel Brown are not on the team. None of those guys ever provided anything for the team and why they even got offered scholarships from the previous coaching staff is beyond me. I have heard rumors that JJ Yates has been kicked out of school for academic reasons but I was never under the opinion that he was all that great to begin with. He looked better then he was last year because our defense was so bad. Not sure about Campbell but he's another one that wasn't all that impressive last season. Sure he looked the part and had a strong arm but he constantly over/under threw his receivers on numerous occasions and always thought he could force the ball because of his arm strength. His stats always looked better because we were still throwing late and the other team usually had their fourth string in by then. I say, as long as Herb Miller, matures that we are better off without ol Wayne. Not sure of what other "impact" players you are referring to but if you have some more info please do tell.
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Post by DECKS on Jul 2, 2007 8:04:31 GMT -5
Please give us your definition of "impact player" because I sure as heck didn't see any on the field last season.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Jul 2, 2007 12:32:13 GMT -5
Thats why I put IMPACT in quotations....to keep the word "impact" relative... -When is the last time A&T went through an entire season with just one starting quarterback ?
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 2, 2007 13:00:30 GMT -5
'95?
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Post by holdum on Jul 2, 2007 14:02:31 GMT -5
You still said that we will be, "pissed off and want some answers", referring to players that will not be on next year's roster. So who are these guys. I've already named the ones that I know about and like I said in my previous post, I'm not all that pissed about any of those cats leaving.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Jul 3, 2007 14:08:49 GMT -5
Spencer Spane..TE..Didnt want to put it out there, but the interview has already been done. Even if some of the guys that you're not all that excited about arent currently on the team, theres no way that we can compete by only having 3 weeks in camp to teach new players a new system and terminology. If we dont have experienced players, we need experienced coaches to sort of balance things out and making adjustments on the fly. Wayne Campbell is not even in summer school right now. Nor OL Sagote, who needs it to be eliegle
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Post by treese on Jul 3, 2007 14:37:18 GMT -5
jaffejoffa
What do you think needs to happen to get this program back on track?
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