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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2011 12:26:54 GMT -5
monster, first of all, i don't always debate what you state. that's totally untrue and you know it.
secondly, who said anything about throwing a lot? certainly i didn't. my statement was that few teams that win "consistently" have one dimensional running qb's. no one said you have to "throw a lot".
and you're wrong that auburn and florida were "one dimensional" teams. even when tebow was there, florida wasn't "one dimensional". certainly not on the level of a webb or lewis. i don't follow wofford enough to comment on their offense, but certainly app state wasn't "one dimensional" either. you're just exaggerating in order to support your argument. i suppose you'd also argue that there's also successful nfl teams who have one dimensional running qb's.
while i won't disagree that lewis is a better "runner" than kindle, i think its quite a stretch to suggest webb is a better "runner" than kindle. kindle by no means is an "immobile" qb. in fact he's a pretty darn good runner but his passing skills sometimes over shadow his running skills.
and regarding dump offs, hitches, and slants, if you're "limited" to those passes only, then in my book you're still one dimensional. if you can't pass the ball up the field, then you may as well run the ball. dump offs, hitches, and slants are "excuses" (ways of trying to hide) qb's who are "inept" pocket passers. those are "quick release" passes that doesn't require going thru progressions and having patience in the pocket. you're not gonna make a living throwing dump offs, hitches, and slants if you can't accurately throw the ball medium and long range.
yes, i'm somewhat "discounting" webb and lewis as "full time" starting fcs qb's until they've proven otherwise. and, a 53% completion rate for a "true freshman" against the meac's top teams (both on the road) is pretty darn good if you ask me. and i'm personally impressed with kindle because i know how to analyze film. i don't just look at the football like some folk do. i look at all that goes on around the football.
i knew before kindle ever put on an aggie uniform that he possessed "true qb" skills. if you go back and review my comments on him "before he ever played a game for a&t", i stated that the kid looked like he came out of the wound playing qb. his fundamentals and mechanics are "flawless". his pocket presence was "flawless". his accuracy "while under pressure" while in the pocket, was "flawless" for a high school qb. dude even made "pre snap" reads while in high school.
i mean, if you really break down his high school videos, you can see these things. it didn't shock me when coach lee inserted kindle into the lineup "early in his freshman season" that he looked like a deer in headlights. but that's to be expected for most true freshmen qb's. but by the end of the season, he settled down very nicely and adjusted his game to the speed of the fcs game. yes, i'm totally sold on kindle and if he proves to be a "bust" (which i don't think there's any chance of happening barring injury), then i'll just have to take a pie to the face. yes, you can "quote me", I'M TOTALLY SOLD ON KINDLE...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 30, 2011 14:05:54 GMT -5
You are so obsessed with proving me wrong(or being right) you haven't even realized that I haven't even said anything that CAN be proven wrong.
I didn't say "ONE DIMENSIONAL"(those are YOUR words, not mine). I said athletic/running qbs.You're still missing my p..................You know what, I'm not trying to explain myself with that cause you will just pull one sentence and run with it. No pun intended.
I would NEVER say an NFL team can win with a run first QB. Until Vick wins running the rock that will always be a NEVER. Again, words in my mouth.
I've never really criticized Kindle's game. I'm just not sold like you are. You are bantering on like i said he sucked. I only said Webb and Lewis have a shot. Kindle has not done anything yet to solidify him as a savior. Maybe he will, maybe he wont. I definitely wont delight in coming on here saying he sucks. I want him to be as advertised(by Oleschool). Let me repeat, I never said Webb, Lewis, or anyone else was better than Kindle at any point!
EVERYONE's high school video looks good. You think they would put a kid's bad plays on a "HIGHLIGHT" tape. The funny part is you always say "I just dont look at the football like some folk so. I look at all that goes on around the football". Like we dont? Any real "analyzer" would never be so geeked over a highlight tape, but you tend to do that a lot. You also did it with CJ Frederick and he hasn't played a down at A&T. You know what some coaches I know did with highlight tapes when they were actually tapes? Tape over them and say, send me the whole game if you want me to look at something. Especially with a QB.
I mean, what do you want me to say? "Yeah yeah oldschool! Your right. Kindle is the greatest. Yeah yeah, wait til he hits the field..Its on!" ......Whatever. I'll give him props when he earns them. On the field.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2011 14:22:41 GMT -5
What a debate this is...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 30, 2011 14:23:32 GMT -5
Aint no debate. i dont have a point, LOL. He arguing cause I dont agree with his point. All I said was Webb and Lewis can compete cause Kindle is a rookie. He seems to take offense for me not thinking Kindle is Joe Montana.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2011 14:47:51 GMT -5
Pause!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 30, 2011 14:53:43 GMT -5
Let me add, I really hope Kindle isn't taking this as i dont think he is good. I actually think he is/was good in high school. I also thought he was the best QB option on the roster his freshman year. But I still think he needs to prove himself with some Ws. So go out and impress young man. But I know he dont need the pep talk. He's a competitor.
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Post by Aggie One on Mar 30, 2011 15:02:37 GMT -5
Gentlemen, we ask that you please debate the issues and refrain from the personally directed remarks, insults or slights.
Thank you.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 30, 2011 15:09:24 GMT -5
Your right, my bad. I apologize. Uncalled for. Bad joke. I deleted.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2011 15:22:38 GMT -5
You are so obsessed with proving me wrong(or being right) you haven't even realized that I haven't even said anything that CAN be proven wrong. I didn't say "ONE DIMENSIONAL"(those are YOUR words, not mine). I said athletic/running qbs.You're still missing my p..................You know what, I'm not trying to explain myself with that cause you will just pull one sentence and run with it. No pun intended. I would NEVER say an NFL team can win with a run first QB. Until Vick wins running the rock that will always be a NEVER. Again, words in my mouth. I've never really criticized Kindle's game. I'm just not sold like you are. You are bantering on like i said he sucked. I only said Webb and Lewis have a shot. Kindle has not done anything yet to solidify him as a savior. Maybe he will, maybe he wont. I definitely wont delight in coming on here saying he sucks. I want him to be as advertised(by Oleschool). Let me repeat, I never said Webb, Lewis, or anyone else was better than Kindle at any point! EVERYONE's high school video looks good. You think they would put a kid's bad plays on a "HIGHLIGHT" tape. The funny part is you always say "I just dont look at the football like some folk so. I look at all that goes on around the football". Like we dont? Any real "analyzer" would never be so geeked over a highlight tape, but you tend to do that a lot. You also did it with CJ Frederick and he hasn't played a down at A&T. You know what some coaches I know did with highlight tapes when they were actually tapes? Tape over them and say, send me the whole game if you want me to look at something. Especially with a QB. I mean, what do you want me to say? "Yeah yeah oldschool! Your right. Kindle is the greatest. Yeah yeah, wait til he hits the field..Its on!" ......Whatever. I'll give him props when he earns them. On the field. four points that "you" made that are untrue. 1. both webb and lewis are better runners than kindle. 2. kindle hasn't proven he's a better pocket passer than webb or lewis. 3. everyone's high school videos look good 4. webb or lewis could fit pizzo's system better because they run better than kindle monster, you make it hard for me not to respond because you keep making statements that are totally untrue. everybody's highlight videos "do not look good"! i can tell you some aggie recruits that did not impress me in their videos, and they did not impress me in an aggie uniform either. go back and take a look at my impressions of some of our recruits over the last 2 years and you'll see that i don't get impressed without justification. compare frederick's videos to drake's, and tell me you don't see a major difference, and if so, i'll tell you you know nothing about football. in terms of qb skills, lewis' videos wasn't nearly as impressive as kindle's. and its not a matter of whether a kid puts his "good plays" in his highlights or not. recruiters are not looking at "the play", they're looking at the "player". what kindle does in his videos in terms of passing, you won't see in lewis' videos. you can't fake that stuff! so to "trivialize" a kid's highlight videos, to me shows you're just being argumentative. because those videos mean the world to college recruiters, they can't see every kid "live". no one edits a video to make it look like they can stand in a pocket with poise while under pressure and make an accurate pass. nobody edits a video to make it look they ran an 80 yard touchdown if it wasn't true. so your point about videos is groundless. yes, everybody puts their best plays in their highlights. but coaches understand what they see on video is likely the best the kid is "capable" of doing, not that they do it every time they touch the football. what they never see is far more harmful than what they do see. if they never see you show pocket passing skills, then its likely you don't have any. if you see a kid "repeatedly" show good pocket passing skills, then its likely that you do have (or are capable of having) good pocket passing skills. the worst thing you could do is trivialize a kid's high school videos. they mean everything as long as you know what you're looking at and what you're looking for. by the way, if you read pizzo's bio, you'll find he's by no means a triple-option oriented offensive coordinator. how in the hail you could say webb or lewis could fit pizzo's system better because they run better than kindle is completely beyond me! what system is better off with a one dimensional qb as opposed to a dual threat qb? even triple option offenses throw the ball sometimes and kindle can do both. like i said, you're just being argumentative because your points don't make sense...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2011 15:27:07 GMT -5
Aint no debate. i dont have a point, LOL. He arguing cause I dont agree with his point. All I said was Webb and Lewis can compete cause Kindle is a rookie. He seems to take offense for me not thinking Kindle is Joe Montana. for me, its a debate. i ain't mad at monster and i'm not offended that he disagrees with me. i just disagree with him, that's all. we're all aggies...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 30, 2011 15:31:31 GMT -5
Again you take 1 or 2 words and run with them. I dont have any points. You know more than me. Just to rebuttle without writing paragragh.
1)Is a matter of opinion, but your calling me WRONG. Some would say Lewis is a much better runner. This will never be a proven fact cause it will always be an opinion. 2)He has, but they haven't shown that they haven't improved under a new coach and OC. He hasn't shown that a hurt knee might make him skiddish in the pocket. He has to "re-prove" that he is. 3)If your tape doesn't look good then your definitely NOT good and/or your editor is crappy. 4)They could, you dont know cause you aint seen it(Pizzo's offense that is).
I'll be at the spring game. A lot of questions will be answered. then again, we will still have the QB debate cause Kindle wont play in the Spring.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2011 15:53:08 GMT -5
Again you take 1 or 2 words and run with them. I dont have any points. You know more than me. Just to rebuttle without writing paragragh. 1)Is a matter of opinion, but your calling me WRONG. Some would say Lewis is a much better runner. This will never be a proven fact cause it will always be an opinion. i think lewis is a better runner than kindle, but not webb, and certainly not both2)He has, but they haven't shown that they haven't improved under a new coach and OC. He hasn't shown that a hurt knee might make him skiddish in the pocket. He has to "re-prove" that he is. now you're playing on words. of course he hasn't proven anything since injuring his knee, hasn't played a game since. but you referred to his high school and college freshman season that kindle hadn't proven anything to you. yet i say he's proven plenty.3)If your tape doesn't look good then your definitely NOT good and/or your editor is crappy. you're the one who said everyone's videos look good!4)They could, you dont know cause you aint seen it(Pizzo's offense that is). kindle is as good or better running the ball as webb, and he's not that far off from lewis either. yet, neither webb nor lewis have proven to be outstanding passers. no oc that i know of would choose a one dimensional qb over a dual threat qb, no matter what offense they're running.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2011 15:55:32 GMT -5
okay, monster. you may step down from the witness stand now. i rest my case! ;D
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 30, 2011 16:25:00 GMT -5
You love Kindle and I'm still not sold. That whats this whole conversation was about. I hope to love him one day also. Sipping on my cup, moving to the next topic.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2011 16:53:37 GMT -5
not debating, just commenting. yes, i actually do luv this kid's game. had i not seen similar tendencies in his game against famu and scsu that i'd seen in his videos, perhaps i wouldn't be as sold on him.
during one of his freshman year press conferences early in the season, i had my doubts because he was so very soft spoken and played poorly against hampton. but that was probably freshman jitters because he was straight up "cocky" when he played against famu in tally. dude was actually "showboating" in the endzone after he "ran" for a touchdown against them. NOTE: he "ran" for a touchdown. and to watch him just pick famu apart in the air reminded me of his high school videos.
i'm sure a lot of aggies were wondering where in the hail did that come from? kindle was hitting receivers who had been open all season long, but fears just couldn't get them the ball. kindle was just hitting dudes in stride! that was the final straw that won me over for good.
i have directv's ultimate sports package and i remember watching joe taylor's coaches show on a florida regional sports channel after that famu game and i couldn't believe how many times taylor kept saying how good a qb kindle was! he seemingly kept saying it repeatedly. he kept saying how good of a qb a&t had and noted that he was only a freshman. joe really praised him, and rightfully so, we almost won that game!
i just think with the experience kindle gained as a freshman, he's probably very confident now and even more lethal. could i be wrong about kindle? of course. but i honestly don't think i am. he'll have a better offensive line than he did his freshman year and if frederick is eligible, he'll also have more weapons than he had his freshman year. i just hope there's no problems with his rehabbed knee. that's my only concern...
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