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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 28, 2011 12:27:25 GMT -5
Oleschool, I think what he meant by "how many games did you see Lewis play QB?" was simply pointing out that he really didn't get to play QB. Not really. He wasn't questioning your actual game watching time. We all know you watch damn near every aggie event you can get access to, lol.
So judging his QB play on 2-3 plays a game under a non-existing QB coach isn't a fair evaluation.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 28, 2011 12:41:38 GMT -5
point well taken. but i've also seen video of lewis in high school and though he completed some passes, i didn't see him pass "accurately" while "under pressure" and standing in the pocket. again, passing "accurately" while "under pressure" and standing in the pocket.
i've seen carrothers do those 3 things and i've seen kindle do those 3 things. and until i see lewis or webb do those 3 things, i'm not sold that they are full time fcs quality qb's. can i be proven wrong, why of course. but until i see it, i won't believe it.
just my opinion and my opinion only...
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Post by Aggie One on Mar 28, 2011 15:23:19 GMT -5
Different coach, different system, new OC. I would not read anything into who's going to be this or that at this point. Let's see what Pizzo is going to do differently with the offense first and foremost.
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Post by The Professor on Mar 28, 2011 23:44:16 GMT -5
if kindle isn't starting, i'd be very concerned unless another qb shows up who i don't know about. personally, from what i saw last season, i don't see either lewis or webb being full time starting qb's at the fcs level. you just can't be one dimensional and succeed at the qb position unless you're running the triple-option almost full time. i like lewis out of the wildcat, but he's only 5'9" tall and would have trouble seeing over linemen when passing out of the pocket. not sure how comfortable and accurate he is passing out of the pocket, he only threw 4 passes all season last year (albeit, he completed all 4), probably because no one expected him to pass. to me, webb just doesn't seem to play with confidence when he's at qb. to me, he seems to be too "tentative" when passing the ball. if we go into the season with either webb or lewis as our full time starting qb, i'd be very concerned unless somehow during the offseason they develop way beyond anyone's expectations... I think Broadway had a QB at Grambling (Carrothers) with the same attributes as Lewis. Oleschool, what Games did you actually see Webb and Lewis play QB? I saw Lewis in HS , he doesn't have the arm Carrothers has, unless he has been doing major work while at T
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Post by Bigboy on Mar 29, 2011 7:43:04 GMT -5
I saw Ricky Lewis play almost every game in high school. Ricky may not be the best passer but Ricky knows how to win. When you thought there was no way they would win a game, Ricky always found a way to get his team a win. With some good coaching Ricky has the potential to be a really good QB.
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Post by The Professor on Mar 29, 2011 11:59:56 GMT -5
I will give you that Bigboy, however he cant just run now. This ain't the 4A division of HS football. There are athletes on defense that are just as good as him
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 29, 2011 12:54:46 GMT -5
I'm just glad to hear that there is QB competition, so no mattter who gets the nod you at least know they earned it and it wasn't given due to lack of competition and/or injury.
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Post by Gator on Mar 29, 2011 16:48:50 GMT -5
Actually, it was 3A ball.
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Post by ohsixrain on Mar 29, 2011 18:38:54 GMT -5
If Pizzo is the qb coach that I'm hearing about, our qbs will be just fine. all of our qbs have skill sets that they do well...so qb could be an advantage instead of a weakness in case there is a injury. we haven't had a coach that takes advantage of what our qbs do well...we've tried to fit them into a system which is like trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Now, I will say, on the college level a qb should be able to stand in the pocket and deliver a good ball to a receiver that's on the move, if not, qb may not be the position for him.
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Post by aggie2ru on Mar 29, 2011 19:35:57 GMT -5
Most definitely, Ricky Lewis is a winner and with the right coaching he can be an asset to the team as a change-of-pace qb. Is he an everyday qb??? He has a lot of disadvantages----height, arm strength, qb technique, etc. One thing for sure all the qb's are in much, much better hands with Pizzo as oc/qb coach compared to Berry-oc/Marshall Glenn-qb coach from last yr. I remember Pizzo as a back up qb in the NFL. Ricky will help us! You know, one thing I want to throw out there is that I always thought that Kindle should have gotten his ACL taken care of much sooner than he did because it does normally takes about a yr. to FULLY heal from the date of the operation. If my memory serves me correctly he did not have it done until early November of last yr. I heard a lot of different stories as to why it didn't get done sooner but it sure would be nice if he were 95-100% right by Sept. Also, I think he has to feel like it will not be simply handed to him. I believe they will make him earn it back. Win-Win situation!!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 30, 2011 7:24:46 GMT -5
I've seen too many(WAAAAAY too many to even name) teams on the college level win with a running QB to dismiss an athletic QB like some people are doing. You have to wait and see. Right system(for the right player) beats just having good player in the wrong system in college football. A good OC adjust to his QB's strengths. Pizzo at least has an option of how he wants to start the season. Does he go one way with the athletic Lewis/Webb or the other route with the better pocket passer in Kindle. Which, its yet to be proven that Kindle is the better pocket passer. 2 games where teams game planned against Mayhew and Payne didn't tell me much.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Mar 30, 2011 10:04:57 GMT -5
I hear you but i will say there is a night and day difference style wise between the two most likely canidates Kindle & Lewis.
One things for sure even even if Kindle gets the nod I bet R. Lewis will see much time. He certainally was under utilized last year. A really good off coord can implement two packages and get maxium production out of both.
My opinion but if last years crew had gone with Lewis they might still be here. And I know he probably would have turn the ball over fumble some and everything else but he is also play maker!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2011 10:24:43 GMT -5
Are we sure that Broadway won't bring in a QB from the JC ranks?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2011 10:26:27 GMT -5
I've seen too many(WAAAAAY too many to even name) teams on the college level win with a running QB to dismiss an athletic QB like some people are doing. You have to wait and see. Right system(for the right player) beats just having good player in the wrong system in college football. A good OC adjust to his QB's strengths. Pizzo at least has an option of how he wants to start the season. Does he go one way with the athletic Lewis/Webb or the other route with the better pocket passer in Kindle. Which, its yet to be proven that Kindle is the better pocket passer. 2 games where teams game planned against Mayhew and Payne didn't tell me much. when you have wr's like we do who can get open and score, and an o-line that does a good job pass blocking, why would you want to dismiss the passing game in order to become one dimensional? why do you think they ran shine's azz out of daytona beach? i don't know what "way too many" college teams you're referring to that have a one dimensional running qb and wins on a consistent basis. i'm no college football guru, but the only one i can think of is ga. tech and maybe navy (before paul johnson left). if "way too many" means a couple of teams, then i can agree. but if you're suggesting that most college teams win with one dimensional running qb's, i'd disagree wholeheartedly. and if you can't see that kindle is a better pocket passer than lewis or webb, then i'd truly have to question your knowledge of football. you can't be serious if you question kindle's pocket passing ability compared to lewis or webb. 2 seasons ago, kindle "literally" picked famu apart in the air while passing out of the pocket. often he hit wr's who were wide open by at least a step or two! yet, fears, morgan, webb, or lewis would've never seen those wr's. man, you've really got to be trippin' if you question kindle's pocket passing ability. let me ask you this. you say you coach youth football, right? have you ever seen kindle's high school videos? because if you have and you still think he's not a better pocket passer than lewis or webb, then either you're just being "argumentative" for the sake of it or you simply don't know a good pocket passer when you see one...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 30, 2011 11:30:30 GMT -5
Oleschool, you call me argumentative, but you always debate what I say. Not biggy though, I like debates.
My 1st point was that there are several winning programs on many different levels of college football that win with running QBs in many different years. You completely forgot about Florida and Auburn, Michigan(this year). Not to mention Wofford and App. All with athletic "run first" QBs. Before you say Auburn throws alot, that aint what got them there. It was the legs of Cam Newton. I'm sure there are some I cant think of and even more on the Div2 level that we never hear about.
To answer your last question. I'm not saying Kindle didn't have a better pocket presence in his high school video. He actually did look like a better passer. That doesn't mean Lewis or Webb wont shine in THIS OCs system. They could fit better cause they can run better than Kindle. The only throws they might need to make are dump offs, hitches, and slants. If thats all they have to make then they have a really good shot of starting if they can out run Kindle. You dont know what the offense will be, so your assuming it even fits a pocket passer.
I'M NOT DISCOUNTING KINDLE, BUT YOU ARE DISCOUNTING WEBB and LEWIS!
Dont blow up on me cause I'm not overly impressed with a 53% completion rate, 2TD loss against a team stacked up for Payne and Mayhew. I got a couple of 9th graders that can pick you apart if you put 8 in the box all game.
Also a 118yd, ZERO TD game again SCSU. My question should be why are you SO impressed? Maybe my coaching ties and old job make me more critical of someone doing the same thing they did in high school. You have to prove it to me first. You aint did jack yet son. Show me something!
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