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Post by krazykev on Dec 1, 2010 9:40:10 GMT -5
It was not the the 1-10 season its how they lost. here are the three things in my opinion that Dr. Martin just could not get out of his head. **7 Turnovers against Central / mass confusion among Coaches (attendance wise biggest game of year) **Completely embarrased on National TV - Coaches had no viable game plan BC did not score that much on Edward Waters and I probably could start for them **Team quit on Lee in the last game of the season. When Martin left the SC State game during the 3rd quarter did you thunk he just had the bubble guts ? The Coach confusion was started by the guy who now is the Interim Coach
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Post by bluehaze on Dec 1, 2010 9:48:27 GMT -5
So why is it obvious that he was given only two years to rebuild a scrub football program that had won 9 games in the previous 5 years? Because he was a part of two of those previous 5 years and directly in charge of the last two years.
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Post by bluehaze on Dec 1, 2010 9:58:32 GMT -5
'thrilla has a point. We shouldn't have to speculate. There's not even an announcement on the ncataggies page, but they have updated stories on all the sports. At least they have Rags in as the interim hc. I agree, but if he were to hold a press conference who would attend? It would just be Thrilla, Aggie One and "maybe" the News & Record sends an intern. An open letter to the alumni could've worked, but I don't think there is a public outrage about this firing.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 1, 2010 10:05:08 GMT -5
Well at least under that scenario, me, Aggie One and the N&R intern could ask Martin some real questions and inform the fans on this site.
Time and time again, Martin has basically told the A&T fan base that we are too ignorant to know what is really going on with our athletic department.
He treats you guys like small kids and you all are perfectly content to go along with this nonsense.
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 1, 2010 10:12:22 GMT -5
I agree with 'thrilla. It’s not obvious to me why he was fired and most people I have talked to are surprised, but not upset. The issue is not just the firing, but what is the plan? Why were all the other coaches kept around? I think this is a major enough event to warrant a press conference. The Chancellor may very well have a plan, but it doesn't look like it. Silence is not an acceptable communication tool when you make major changes. The last thing he needs is a knee-jerk perception. But I forget, there are only about 10 of us that care anyway.
BTW, Fobbs only had 2 wins.
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Post by Babynupe on Dec 1, 2010 11:14:58 GMT -5
Up until the thrashing from BCU, I gave Lee the benefit of the doubt. We were in most of the games (TSU, BCU, & SCSU excluded). I don't have time to dissect the woeful season, but that BCU game was the tell all for me. How we lost to FAMU pisses me off. When you win the toss in OT and you choose to go on offense first, I think that's crazy. I thought maybe he was trying to give the defense a rest since they had just come off the field (shrugs). I just don't like how we lost a lot of the games. I guess it's obvious to me because I think Lee makes a better cheerleader than coach. No excuses for going 1-10 in this conference.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 1, 2010 11:17:44 GMT -5
folks, it happens in college football every year, bar none. coaches get fired all the time without a major announcement or press conference. yes, i think dr. martin could've handled it with more class than he did. but there's never a good way to fire someone.
and if i were dr. martin, no way in hail would i have held a press conference and subjected myself to questions i prefer not to answer. especially if he's in the process of hiring a new ad and head football coach. sometimes its just better to conduct business privately rather than open pandora's box for the entire public to scrutinize. no one man will ever be able to please everybody. the bottom line is dr. martin will be accountable for the outcome of this ordeal. his finger prints are all over the athletic department now.
this whole episode sorta reminds me of last year this time when a lot of wssu folk were very upset with chancellor reaves for pulling the plug on their d1 aspirations, firing the ad and firing the head football coach. but once the football season started and wssu beat both a&t and central, went mid way thru the season undefeated, and put up huge numbers offensively, all of a sudden no one was talking about reaves anymore. even his biggest critics shut the hail up! and what about bcu's critics following the firing shine? remember that outrage? well, they shut the hail up too!
so if our nightmare of a football program comes up smelling like roses next season, no one will be talking about dr. martin and how he went about firing coach lee...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 1, 2010 12:00:59 GMT -5
In a perfect world nobody would ever have to do things that were difficult and uncomfortable. No one would ever have to be accountable and be subject to public criticism.
However life as the chancellor of North Carolin A&T is not always easy and comfortable. That is why he makes the big bucks.
Stop hiding behind Nicole Pride and show some balls. You are a 6 foot 5 man who make a 5 foot 6 woman handle all your dirty work.
If you have such strong reasons about why this was the right move at the right time, you should have no trouble standing in front of a press room and explaining your plan. You have a PHD, right? Well with all your degrees and book smarts, you should be able to field some serious questions and articulate some honest information. That is, if you are not a coward who can only make tough decisions behind a shroud of secrecy.
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 1, 2010 12:04:55 GMT -5
I think many of you have a narrow focus. The Chancellor has just gutted the athletic department in a month’s time. Fired the AD, fired the Compliance Director, we have an Interim Ad (dude is doing two jobs), Interim Compliance Director/Office (she’s doing two jobs), no track coach, a full staff of limbo asst. football coaches updating their resumes and calling around the country networking, and the rest of the staff is looking over their shoulders for the man wheeling the machete.
Why is it shocking that people want to know what the plan is to fix this mess? He doesn’t have the luxury to not subject himself to answer questions for his actions; he is the face of the University. If he’s in the process of hiring someone, then that’s what you say. But to make a major change, couple with the creation of a make-shift athletic department and go silent looks bad. At a minimum he needs to say we are changing the culture in way we do business at A&T and there will be more changes and I will keep you informed as decisions are made. If it's one question or a hundred questions it his responsibility to at least say no comment.
If I remember correctly Chancellor Reaves dealt with the situation head-on, taking on BOT, taking on disgruntled Alums, firing of the AD. I don’t think he was silent.
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Post by AggiePride on Dec 1, 2010 12:21:32 GMT -5
I like Lee, but did Martin really have a choice when you compare his record to his colleagues, especially what Brian Jenkins did at BCU.
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Post by krazykev on Dec 1, 2010 12:24:08 GMT -5
I like Lee, but did Martin really have a choice when you compare his record to his colleagues, especially what Brian Jenkins did at BCU. Jenkins has an All-star Coaching Staff....probably the best in Black College Football
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Dec 1, 2010 12:24:18 GMT -5
Two days ago when Lee was fired - many people suggested that new Coach would be annouced in 7-10 days.
If we actually hire an annouce someone by the end of next week there is no need to say anything in regards to Lee's dismisal. Other than at the press conference of the new Coach I am sure Dr. Martin will give the token thank you to Coach Lee for his service bla bla .
Then focus on the new guy
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Post by AggiePride on Dec 1, 2010 12:35:12 GMT -5
I like Lee, but did Martin really have a choice when you compare his record to his colleagues, especially what Brian Jenkins did at BCU. Jenkins has an All-star Coaching Staff....probably the best in Black College Football Lee could have done same thing and taken a pay cut.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 1, 2010 12:46:01 GMT -5
its one thing to abandon pursuit of d1 status thereby basically "forfeiting" muti-thousands, if not millions of dollars. yes, under those conditions, i'd say communicate with me. but just because you fired the ad and head football coach, i don't need you to stand before a firing squad to fulfill my curiosities. all i need from you is accountability, not a whole bunch of hands in the cookie jar. just make the right decisions.
at the end of the day, my expectations are positive results. that's what i care about. if the chancellor chooses to fill the vacant athletic department positions privately, then he deserves the space to do it on his own terms. everybody has their own opinion of what our next moves should be, but dr. martin is the only one who must accept personal accountability. just because the football program is highly visible, folk want to be privy to a process that is normally private in nature.
me personally, as long as he doesn't allow the hiring of a coach and a ad to drag out to the point where it harms recruiting and retention of returning players, then i don't mind if dr. martin conducts his business privately. what does open communications to the public do to improve the hiring process? if anything, it harms the process. the only thing it helps is message boards like bdv because it gives us lots of subjects to debate about. but it doesn't add value to the hiring process itself...
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Post by TOPPDOGG on Dec 1, 2010 12:49:41 GMT -5
I was surprised by Lee's firing. Even so I am in agreement with the decision. In my view Lee was a bad hire. I'll give Martin a pass if he makes a good hire and financially supports the program.
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