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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 1, 2010 13:24:54 GMT -5
Oldschool, I think you are a company man who will always have blind faith in your leaders.
That is not necessarily a bad thing, but time and time again our leaders at A&T have proven that they can not be trusted to do the right thing or make the right decision.
A&T leaders need more checks and balances from knowledgeable alums like myself to ensure they do not continue to screw things up.
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Post by aggieborn5 on Dec 1, 2010 14:30:10 GMT -5
I need somebody on here to make me a Bill Hayes/Connell Maynor "return to greatness" campain poster! We can call it the second coming! you have to agree that it makes for one hell of a story line if they both leave WSSU for a second time. Winston fans my never get over it!
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Post by aggiebred09 on Dec 1, 2010 14:42:55 GMT -5
I need somebody on here to make me a Bill Hayes/Connell Maynor "return to greatness" campain poster! We can call it the second coming! you have to agree that it makes for one hell of a story line if they both leave WSSU for a second time. Winston fans my never get over it! Gotcha Covered
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 1, 2010 15:00:55 GMT -5
I need somebody on here to make me a Bill Hayes/Connell Maynor "return to greatness" campain poster! We can call it the second coming! you have to agree that it makes for one hell of a story line if they both leave WSSU for a second time. Winston fans my never get over it! let's not celebrate just yet. nothing is official yet. and until it is, let's not get ahead of ourselves. been "burnt" too many times in the past. i'm taking a "cautiously" optimistic approach. but i ain't counting any chickens before they hatch. until i see something officially in writing along with a bunch of handshakes and smiling faces, i will remain subdued but cautiously optimistic...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 1, 2010 15:02:47 GMT -5
Oldschool, I think you are a company man who will always have blind faith in your leaders. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but time and time again our leaders at A&T have proven that they can not be trusted to do the right thing or make the right decision. A&T leaders need more checks and balances from knowledgeable alums like myself to ensure they do not continue to screw things up. i definitely agree that our leaders need checks and balances, which is basically accountability. but unless we have leverage to hire and fire the chancellor, there's not much we can do in terms of checks and balances. personally, i've always felt that the aggie club and victory club should use their financial leverage to hold our admins accountable for athletics. but i think you're more emotional about the chancellor's decision because you're much closer to the day to day operations and personnel of the university than most of us. and i really think it was an unwise choice of words to call the chancellor a coward. but you're right, i do tend to take the company line in terms of our leadership. i'm a loyalist by nature. but i wouldn't say i would "blindly" support our leaders. i will speak out against blatantly poor performance from our leadership. i have been very critical of our administration for their performance over the last decade in athletics. but i have not been critical of dr. martin because i feel he hasn't been in office long enough to be critically judged. i think the vast majority of aggies really like coach lee and regret that his dismissal came prematurely. but i also think dr. martin recognizes that at this time in our athletics history, our university can ill afford a winless or near winless football season. had we never suffered a recent 27 game losing streak and national humiliation as a university, i could see the chancellor being more patient with coach lee following a 1-10 season. but i don't think dr. martin's actions were personal, i just think he wants what's best for a&t. now, you and i may not agree with his decisions. but he's the chancellor, its his job to make tough decisions...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Dec 1, 2010 15:21:30 GMT -5
Well at very least if the new football coach and AD are succesful or unsuccesful its going to be a direct reflection on Dr. Martin since he is giving birth to both of these babys.
I am just going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he makes the right call on both after all you dont get paid big money to make easy decisions.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 1, 2010 15:41:58 GMT -5
So let's say Maynor averages 4 wins a season for the next 3 years. Are we then gonna fire him, Hayes and Martin?
This is a never-ending cycle of insanity. Personally, I don't know how much more I can take.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 1, 2010 15:55:03 GMT -5
And for the umpteenth time: when are we gonna learn that any time one of our leaders tries to play God with A&T athletics it always ends badly?
Renick felt he had a mandate to fire anybody at the drop of a hat just because he didn't like what color sweater they wore on the sideline and look how bad some of his personnel moves now look.
Dee Todd had a schoolgirl crush on Doug Williams and when he told her he wasn't interested but his boy Lee Fobbs needed a job, she was happy to oblige.
Wheeler thought he could circumvent a true search process for the football coach position and just put the band back together with all his old homies and look how that ended. He made Lee keep Ragsdale on the staff and those two quickly started hating each other.
Now the word is Martin is trying to turn A&T into WSSU-East. Instead of having a national search process, listening to a nonpartisan search committee, identifying the best possible candidate (like he said he was going to do after he fired Wheels) and recreating our entire athletic culture, he is just gonna make some fly-by-night, unilateral decision to bring in Hayes and Maynor because he is the Almighty chancellor and we should never doubt the wisdom of the Almighty Chancellor.
You guys are complete sheep is you are cool with how all of this is going down.
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Post by basefoot00 on Dec 1, 2010 16:05:03 GMT -5
And for the umpteenth time: when are we gonna learn that any time one of our leaders tries to play God with A&T athletics it always ends badly? Renick felt he had a mandate to fire anybody at the drop of a hat just because he didn't like what color sweater they wore on the sideline and look how bad some of his personnel moves now look. Dee Todd had a schoolgirl crush on Doug Williams and when he told her he wasn't interested but his boy Lee Fobbs needed a job, she happy to oblige. Wheeler thought he could circumvent a true search process for the football coach position and just put the band back together with all his old homies and look how they ended. He made Lee keep Ragsdale on the staff and those two quickly started hating each other. Now the word is Martin is trying to turn A&T into WSSU-East. Instead of having a national search process, listening to a nonpartisan search committee, identifying the best possible candidate (like he said he was going to do after he fired Wheels) and recreating our entire athletic culture, he is just gonna make some fly-by-night, unilateral decision to bring in Hayes and Maynor because he is the Almighty chancellor and we should never doubt the wisdom of the Almighty Chancellor. You guys are complete sheep is you are cool with how all of this is going down. Word! A bunch of wrongs don't make a right. I have said all along don't front like you are really doing a search when this deal may have been made weeks ago. I am not saying Maynor would/wouldn't be a great coach but at least do a proper search. If he is the best candidate then hire him!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 1, 2010 16:12:19 GMT -5
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 1, 2010 16:37:35 GMT -5
And for the umpteenth time: when are we gonna learn that any time one of our leaders tries to play God with A&T athletics it always ends badly? Renick felt he had a mandate to fire anybody at the drop of a hat just because he didn't like what color sweater they wore on the sideline and look how bad some of his personnel moves now look. Dee Todd had a schoolgirl crush on Doug Williams and when he told her he wasn't interested but his boy Lee Fobbs needed a job, she happy to oblige. Wheeler thought he could circumvent a true search process for the football coach position and just put the band back together with all his old homies and look how that ended. He made Lee keep Ragsdale on the staff and those two quickly started hating each other. Now the word is Martin is trying to turn A&T into WSSU-East. Instead of having a national search process, listening to a nonpartisan search committee, identifying the best possible candidate (like he said he was going to do after he fired Wheels) and recreating our entire athletic culture, he is just gonna make some fly-by-night, unilateral decision to bring in Hayes and Maynor because he is the Almighty chancellor and we should never doubt the wisdom of the Almighty Chancellor. You guys are complete sheep is you are cool with how all of this is going down. all i know is that martin wasn't around when those decisions were made in the past. so its not fair to hold him accountable for that. i also know that whoever he brings in had better be able to operate with a less than ideal budget. i think his rumored ad prospect has proven he is more than capable of that. his coaching prospect is a risk, but at least he's proven he's capable of being a good head coach, unlike the last two coaches we hired. look, i'm all for process, but at the end of the day, who is gonna make the decision on our ad and football coach? who in our administration is "qualified" to carry out a thorough search for the best coaching candidate? i would think wheels was as qualified as anyone to hire our head coach and look how that turned out? to me, you or anybody else can certainly question maynor's abilities as a head coach all you want. but no one can question bill hayes' acumen as an hbcu football guru. and if he gets hired as ad, ya know who he wants as his head coach. hiring a proven commodity like hayes ain't the same as hiring an inexperienced dee todd or one of doug williams' boyz. even if the "rumored" hayes/maynor hiring doesn't work out, at least even the most casual observer can see the hiring originally made sense! how many folk felt that way about our last two head coach hires?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 1, 2010 16:48:14 GMT -5
A&T fans are so myopic.
This is our last chance to get things right, to finally take our athletic department to unseen heights, and you guys are just settling for the familiar.
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Post by bluehaze on Dec 1, 2010 17:00:42 GMT -5
and you guys are just settling for the familiar. Winning seasons, MEAC Championships, Trips to the playoffs... Yeah, I'll settle with the familiar ;D
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Post by aggiebred09 on Dec 1, 2010 17:02:26 GMT -5
Now the word is Martin is trying to turn A&T into WSSU-East. Instead of having a national search process, listening to a nonpartisan search committee, identifying the best possible candidate (like he said he was going to do after he fired Wheels) and recreating our entire athletic culture, he is just gonna make some fly-by-night, unilateral decision to bring in Hayes and Maynor because he is the Almighty chancellor and we should never doubt the wisdom of the Almighty Chancellor. You guys are complete sheep is you are cool with how all of this is going down. Not siding totally with Martin, but Search Committees cost money. The "national" search for Martin cost at least $60,000... I think he is doing the best with what he has to work with. A national search for a bottom rate team sounds good at oh say Chapel-Hill, but for us to talk major money just to bring in a old Grambling coach.... Its better to let us speculate for a few weeks while the paint in Haye's office dries.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 1, 2010 17:05:29 GMT -5
don't worry, thrilla. you'll be fine in a few more days. takes a little time for you to emotionally get over all the drama...
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