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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Oct 1, 2010 13:31:36 GMT -5
Dooms,
You beat me to the punch my thought exactly. I was going to site the BCU and WSSU examples as well. Both are just young organized energic coaches that probably both dream of oc positions at the FBS level.
By typing the above I am not saying that Lee cant and want suceed. Although the waves are tossing the boat.
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Post by ohsixrain on Oct 1, 2010 14:44:59 GMT -5
I think Hayes didn't hire Maynor at FAMU because Joe Taylor was on the market who had given FAMU nightmares for years. Not only that, Maynor was not a household name at that time...not that he wasn't ready or good. Understand Hayes had to explain his hires to FAMU boosters and admin...so he wasn't willing to have to explain why he would hire Maynor over Taylor. But that does not mean he couldn't or wouldn't be just as successful in the position. Bottom line, if you are a good coach, you are going to be good where ever you go....D-1, D-2 or D-3. I just think we (A&T) did like we've always done....swing and miss, we struck out again as far as a coach. Dee Todd had the chance to land Rod Broadway because, he wanted to leave Central but, she knew more than everyone else and hire Fobbs. 5 years later, we have the chance to land Maynor and we chose Lee. Honestly, I don't have a problem with Lee...I think he's a great motivator. But, good coaches surround themselves with even better assistants. This is the area I think Lee has shot himself in the foot. His assistants aren't getting it done...and it reflects poorly on him.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 1, 2010 15:03:34 GMT -5
Kev, I think when Hayes initialy went to FAMU, Maynor was just transitioning into Coaching. I could be wrong but he played arena for a long time. So just in my opinion three years ago Maynor probably was not ready for the WSSU job. I think he got the depth of his Coaching experience over the last three years not only that, but who in their right mind would choose an unproven maynor over a very proven joe taylor 3 years ago? 10 times out of 10 times i would have chosen taylor. and don't believe for one moment that hayes didn't have his hand in acquiring recruits for maynor. who's to say maynor can bring in quality recruits without the help of hayes?
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Post by ohsixrain on Oct 1, 2010 15:17:38 GMT -5
ummm...i don't know oleschool because, they managed to assemble some pretty decent talent at Fayetteville State. now, i can't see maynor is responsible or not but, i'm sure he has some recruiting ties down east.
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Post by ohsixrain on Oct 1, 2010 15:53:59 GMT -5
oh i meant to that statement to read...i can't say maynor is responsible or not. my proofreading is terrible.
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Post by aggiejazz on Oct 1, 2010 18:56:03 GMT -5
The bottom line is Maynor and Hayes are getting done. WSSU is 5-0 with 2 of wins against HBCU Div I FCS teams that have more scholarshipfootball players and more Rival.com rated football players than WSSU. Remember all of rave about how Lee was bringing 2-star and 3-star high school players?
WSSU is 2-0 away from home against A&T and NCCU because the Rams were and are a better coach team than its fellow rivals.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 5, 2010 13:43:41 GMT -5
well, let's see here. tsu put up over 520 yards of offense against our aggies last week. and ya'll still think its the oc that needs to go? granted, our offense's performance was nothing to write home to mom about. but our problems run deeper than the oc, that's for sure...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Oct 5, 2010 13:57:32 GMT -5
oldschool Aggie,
I listned to the game and TSU put up 500 yards because our numerous three and outs. In addition, our d-line is light in the pants which we knew before kindle got hurt.
The best thing we can do is have long sustained drives and force a team to pass because our secondary is pretty darn good. But when your db's are constanly tackling a power back it's a recipe for the TSU game.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 5, 2010 14:09:57 GMT -5
can't disagree with most of that. but no matter how many 3 and outs we had, 520 yards of offense is "inexcusable". we ran 66 plays from scrimmage, tsu ran 76. that's almost equal between us and tsu in terms of plays from scrimmage.
so we can't claim our defense was on the field too long because our offense had too many 3 and outs. we ran almost as many plays from scrimmage as tsu did. we just did a poor job of stopping them and our oc has no control over that. my point is that our problems run deeper than any one person or thing...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 5, 2010 14:40:06 GMT -5
OleSchool, You still on here defending Berry, LOL. I would have thought you would have given up on that by now. 7 points man. that says it all!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 5, 2010 14:58:31 GMT -5
ab, i'm not defending berry or anybody else. i'm just saying you can't single out one individual as the sole cause of all our woes. but some folk are so stuck on finding a "scapegoat" that even though a team just ran up over 500 yards of offense on our azz, they'll still find a way to point the finger at berry. points not scored has absolutely nothing to do with an opponent stuffing over 500 yards of offense down our throats! and for you to offer such a weak argument that 7 points is the reason tsu scored 37 points and put up over 500 yards of offense on us is a perfect example of folk being stuck on one individual as a scapegoat.
i suppose now you're gonna tell me that our defensive coordinator doesn't deserve any criticism after our poor performance in the ccc? if you can blame berry for 7 points of offense, you can more easily blame our dc for allowing 37 points and 500 plus yards of offense.
all i'm saying is that folk need to be more objective and stop blaming a convenient target. i'm not making any excuses for berry, i've stated more than once that he could be doing a better job. but i'm not so naive to think berry is the sole reason we're 0-5 right now...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Oct 5, 2010 15:08:56 GMT -5
Good points oldschoole on the number of off. plays. I will say had we scored even 17 points that changes the game drastically from a field position stand point. I think thats was the aggie baby means with his '7 points"
Think of it this way ---- Of all the off. possesions we had all but one ended in a punt or TSU taking over on downs.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Oct 5, 2010 15:27:21 GMT -5
We didn't look at maynor because Bill Hayes went public in a news (large one at that) article recommending him for the job at A&T. Didn't sit well here. Maynor played pro for years, was OC at FSU for a long period (helped them win championships), and was an OC at the professional level for a number of years. I assume the only way to get a job like that is to know quite a bit about football. We are spinning wheels dissecting Maynor's qualifications or credentials. The man is 6-0, and A&T is what? ? Mr. Brown discusses football with coach Lee quite often, so since Hayes like our AD is a football man, I don't see him not talking football with Maynor. Maynor appears to be in charge of the program at WSSU. Hopefully the coaches at A&T can get control of our program by winning some games. SOON!!!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 5, 2010 15:42:37 GMT -5
now, this is just me. but to me, there is no justification for 520 yards of offense being shoved down our throats. 379 yards of that came by rushing the football! tsu had one running back rush for 186 yards and another one rushed for 145 yards. they both averaged over 7 friggin' yards per carry! man, you can't blame an oc for that, you just can't...
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 5, 2010 15:49:24 GMT -5
We ain't got no beef in the trenches. There's no way for us to stop the run. And everybody has figured it out. You just can't scheme around that. You can scheme around losing a qb (well, you should be able to).
If we stack the line they'll just throw the ball over our heads. And I've noticed we're so light that even if we stack the line, we won't stop the run. So why stop what's working against us? Running keeps our defense on the field and tires them out, while it keeps their defense off the field and keeps them fresh.
You see the conundrum?
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