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Post by planoaggie on Feb 10, 2023 17:13:01 GMT -5
Why can't we accept the obvious? It's a detterent mechanism. He is the HC and it does not matter whether you like it or not. In my first post, I said I disagree with it. Do you know how many players are carried on the football team each year? Come on, how many walkons are going to make the team to significantly raise the team GPA? There is nothing anyone has posted already that makes sense but deterrent. This high GPA is definitely not a requirement for the scholarship players. It is not an A&T requirement for all student-athletes. As I stated in my first post, who is going to check the coach to make sure he follows his requirements if a stud walkon shows up with a 3.0 GPA. No one. That's why it is the last bullet in the ad.
By the way, the MBB team has stopped having tryouts for the past 2 years. This is my personal knowledge.
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Feb 10, 2023 17:17:31 GMT -5
maybe i've been outta school too long, but has the scale changed? are we not on a 4.0 scale? do you have to have 3.4 to participate in extra-curricula activities at a&t? look, we all agree that academics is the top priority. but to expect every student to be "honor students" is ridiculous just like requiring walk-ons to be "honor students". football is an extra-curricula activity, not an "honor society". sure, it would be great if all football players had a 3.4 gpa, but that's no more reasonable than requiring a 3.4 to graduate. sorry, i don't agree with requiring a 3.4 gpa to walk-on as a football player, especially if its not required that the "entire team" maintain a 3.4 gpa. just doesn't make sense to me unless our grading scale changed from a 4.0 scale to a 5.0 scale. mind you, i'm a cum laude graduate, so i'm for academic achievement. but i don't feel that every student athlete that wants to try out for football must maintain a 3.4 gpa... OSA....i laughed when I saw you graduated with high honors....I graduated with "thank you laude" accolades..... I was one of those "Thank You Laudes" also...
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 10, 2023 17:28:03 GMT -5
Again, the 3.4 GPA requirement is only there to discourage a large number of walkons from trying out for the team (walkon tryout management). It is not a good indicator as to whether a player is more committed to football than a player with a 2.7 GPA. We have observed this many times at the high school level and it occurs at the college level in smaller moderation. A smart kid academically with a high GPA wants to tryout for a sport but quits after awhile due to it being too hard. A great football player with an average GPA drops a class that he thought he would like, but it was too hard or disliked the teacher. Academic success or work ethics does not indicate athletic success or work ethics and vice-versa. Walkons have to endure a lot from coaches to prove to them they really want to be a part of the team. A high GPA just tells the coach he probably does not have to worry about you fluncking out of school or get on you about working with a tutor to keep up with your classes. Looks like you've changed your position from "thinking" the GPA is only there to discourage a large number of walking tryouts, to "knowing". If so, how do you "know"? No, I did not change my position. Below is the first sentence in my first post in this thread. "My opinion is that the 3.4 GPA requirement is to discourage lots of walkons." Everything I post is my opinion, speculation, etc., unless I list a source with a link or mention that someone else stated something. I quoted you in one of my basketball post yesterday. On this GPA requirement, can you give me a good reason for the 3.4 GPA for "new" walkons? The first 2 bullets on the ad would not apply to last year walkons. They are already A&T players and should be enrolled in their classes.
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Post by saabman on Feb 10, 2023 19:22:22 GMT -5
Again will a preferred walk-on have the same GPA requirement level as a regular walk-on ? A Walk-on is a Walk-on in my opinion you either receive a Football scholarship funding at whatever level or you don't.
Walk-on's pay there own way and receive no financial aid from the athletic department..i.e scholarship funding . What type of a package do Preferred Walk-on's receive ?
I like what Brown is implementing and hope he stays the course in his decision .
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Post by saabman on Feb 10, 2023 19:31:25 GMT -5
Looks like you've changed your position from "thinking" the GPA is only there to discourage a large number of walking tryouts, to "knowing". If so, how do you "know"? No, I did not change my position. Below is the first sentence in my first post in this thread. "My opinion is that the 3.4 GPA requirement is to discourage lots of walkons." Everything I post is my opinion, speculation, etc., unless I list a source with a link or mention that someone else stated something. I quoted you in one of my basketball post yesterday. On this GPA requirement, can you give me a good reason for the 3.4 GPA for "new" walkons? The first 2 bullets on the ad would not apply to last year walkons. They are already A&T players and should be enrolled in their classes. How many Walk-on's did A&T have on or make the team last season that actually made the travel Squad or actually played in any games and had any significant field time .
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 10, 2023 23:33:18 GMT -5
I was curious in finding a few answers to my on questions and some of your questions. Some of the info I include in this post are facts while others are educated guess or speculation. Below is a link to A&T 2022 football roster. It lists 101 players with 12 of them not assigned a number. I am going to go out on a limb and assume those players are walk-ons based on "personal experience" as a football walk-on my freshman year. You are not assigned a permanent jersey number, but given an arbitrary jersey to wear on picture/media day. Note that all the players with dash for #s in the below link are freshmen. If you personally know that some of these players are not walk-ons then my assumption is wrong on these players being walk-ons. No harm done. I just made an educated guess. Also, note that my assumption does not address that there possibly could be sophomore, junior, and senior walk-ons. www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/NCAT/north-carolina-at-aggies/roster/For the past 3 years we have carried greater than 90 players on the football roster. Let's test the theory that Coach Brown is using the 3.4 GPA requirement for walk-ons to boost team's GPA by doing some math. Feel free to check my math for correctness. Example 1: Assumption 1: 90 scholarship players each with 2.5 GPA which is the team avg. GPA Assumption 2: 10 walk-ons with 3.4 GPA. New team avg. GPA = [(90*2.5) + (10*3.4)] ÷ 100 = [259] ÷ 100 = 2.59 The 10 walk-ons with 3.4 GPA boost the team avg. GPA from 2.50 to 2.59. It is a 0.09 increase. Example 2: If the team avg. GPA was 1.9, then adding 10 walk-ons with 3.4 GPA will boost the team avg. GPA from 1.9 to 2.05. A 0.15 increase. You make the call as to whether the coach's 3.4 GPA requirement for walk-ons is "solely" to boost the team's avg. GPA. Note that the worse the team avg. GPA the larger the impact of adding walk-ons to the team. In addressing the question whether Coach Brown has set the walk-on GPA bar too high, I will provide my personal experience and knowledge of other walk-on experiences along with supporting links. First, I will repeat that he is the head coach and can do whatever he chooses in setting walk-on tryout requirements. As a freshman walk-on, I only needed to be admitted to the university. The coach had no other requirements. They were looking for players that were good enough to contribute either on the field or practice squad and had no issue working hard towards possibly being on scholarship. Friends and family members that were freshmen football walk-ons told me the same thing. In "my opinion and experience", Coach Brown's walk-on GPA requirement is too high. Below are links that show what other universities have set that fall in line with my experience. If a walk-on is struggling academically, a coach has the freedom to cut the player from the team, maybe in a way that his GPA does not factor into the team's average GPA. I am not sure about that last part. Look at how low the bar is set for walk-ons depending on classification. www.liberty.edu/flames/sports-medicine/walk-on-tryout-info/Coach Brown calls his own shots and does not have to follow anyone or any university, but we as fans do get to question his motives or speculate on his decisions. ---------------------- In trying to find info on walk-ons, I ran across some good articles about past A&T football walk-ons that appeared to significantly contribute to the football team during their years at A&T. There are a few more than what was mentioned in early posts and they may bring back some memories. This is not a complete list by far, just info. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/football/article9153473.htmlstatic.ncataggies.com/custompages/gamenotes_3/1_gamenotes_17gwu.pdfncataggies.com/sports/football/roster/stephan-davis--jr-/2910ncataggies.com/sports/football/roster/unique-johnson/2646ncataggies.com/sports/football/roster/marquis-willis/1940ncataggies.com/sports/football/roster/jeremy-taylor/1935ncataggies.com/sports/football/roster/james-weaks/938ncataggies.com/sports/football/roster/daniel-pinnix/1475ncataggies.com/sports/football/roster/nate-anderson/175
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Post by aggiechampd on Feb 10, 2023 23:44:48 GMT -5
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 11, 2023 6:44:39 GMT -5
I googled one out of curiosity. Had a 3.8 gpa out of high school, has an academic scholarship, AND was a pwo. Looking at a few of their Ayantee bios none of them appear to be surprise dudes that just showed up on campus. I suspect they’re all pwos and/or players on academic scholarship.
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 11, 2023 7:55:40 GMT -5
Dooms, you maybe correct on the preferred walk-ons (PWO) recruits. My understanding of PWOs is that they do not have to tryout for the team, so Coach Brown's ad does not apply to them. Now, it will apply to non-recruits on academic scholarships which would probably meet the 3.4 GPA requirement. asmscholarships.com/walk-on-versus-preferred-walk-on/By the way, I was editing my previous post with some additional info at the time you replied. Take a look at the edited post if you have not already.
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Post by AggiePride on Feb 11, 2023 8:28:32 GMT -5
Who usually walk-ons? I would assume it is freshmen and sophomores, if that is the case I understand because it sets the tone for what they are here to do, although I do think a 3.0 or 3.2 is more reasonable.
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 11, 2023 8:41:58 GMT -5
I found answer to how many walk-ons we probably carry on our football team based on NCAA football scholarship rules. See below link. www.ncsasports.org/football/scholarshipsBased on us maxing out our scholarship limit of 63, we carry approximately 36 walk-ons. That is a lot of walk-ons to expect to have a 3.4 GPA. I will make an assumption that all walk-ons that are already on the team do not have to tryout for the team again. They are treated like PWOs that don't have to tryout. One third of 36 is 12, therefore I will assume only 10-12 spots are available for new walk-ons. If true, then my GPA boost calculations in my earlier post is not too far off. It assumes 90 players (scholarship or PWO) already on the team and you are adding 10 new walk-ons each with exactly a 3.4 GPA. The biggest unknown is what is the avg GPA of the 90 players. Is it 3.5, 3.0, 2.5, or 2.0? Either way you are not getting a team GPA increase more than 0.15 if the team GPA is already 2.0 or greater before the addition of the 10 walk-ons.
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Post by aggie2039 on Feb 11, 2023 8:46:19 GMT -5
Grass thread!!!!
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 11, 2023 8:59:45 GMT -5
Who usually walk-ons? I would assume it is freshmen and sophomores, if that is the case I understand because it sets the tone for what they are here to do, although I do think a 3.0 or 3.2 is more reasonable. A football team typically carries walk-ons at all classifications, but most players initially tryout as freshmen and sophomores. Why have a GPA requirement at all? The amount of hours put into football is tremendous. Why put this added pressure on student-athletes? With any job, if you increase one's responsibilities too much something suffers. This may cause someone to quit or not apply for the job. Detterent.
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Post by numberonebrave on Feb 11, 2023 9:49:55 GMT -5
I wonder if the NCAA allows a school to use Non scholarship athletes in graduation rate data or in other reporting requirements associated with athletic success. Some years ago I thought a coach told me they were going to give a marginal player some $$ in his senior year so he would count in the graduation data. Big Wheels where are you? I am sure you can address this issue.
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 11, 2023 10:37:10 GMT -5
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