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Post by ohsixrain on Feb 7, 2023 15:53:53 GMT -5
Seems a little high out the gate...but, I will say the student athletes today are more focused on academics than they were when I was coming through. But, I hope it doesn't have a reversing affect on the program. I remember Central raised their standards for their football team in the late '90s and it hurt them because, they found that athletes could get into schools like UNC, ECU, NC State and not meet the requirements at NCCU. But, that was over two decades ago now...
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Post by aggiechampd on Feb 7, 2023 18:58:27 GMT -5
Maybe I’m being harsh…but for a walk-on…a 3.4 GPA seems reasonable…
Wasn’t discipline a big complaint with the last coach here? Having a GPA that high requires it.
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Post by aggie2039 on Feb 7, 2023 19:08:29 GMT -5
Maybe I’m being harsh…but for a walk-on…a 3.4 GPA seems reasonable… Wasn’t discipline a big complaint with the last coach here? Having a GPA that high requires it. You not being harsh…A&T incoming freshman class had what? A 3.8 GPA?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 7, 2023 19:24:21 GMT -5
Maybe I’m being harsh…but for a walk-on…a 3.4 GPA seems reasonable… Wasn’t discipline a big complaint with the last coach here? Having a GPA that high requires it. i don't think "academic discipline" was the problem with our previous coach. it was more so "on the field discipline" that was lacking with our previous coach. me personally? if i were head coach, i would not hold walk-ons to a higher standard than scholarship players nor the general student body. my own opinion? requiring a 3.4 gpa (if its true) is "ridiculous" and could potentially run off walk-ons who actually could make major contributions to the team. when i was in school, had coach murray neely required our track team to maintain a 3.4 gpa, he may have had only 2 or 3 athletes on the track team. i don't even think requiring a 3.0 makes sense. makes me wonder if coach brown himself had a 3.4 gpa or above in college. requiring a 2.5 or above, i can live with that. but i wouldn't "require" more than that. of course, i would "encourage" more than a 2.5, but not "require" it. if i'm not mistaken, i believe the "minimum" gpa requirement for eligibility by the ncaa is 2.3 or above. i mean, can you imagine how many former aggie football players (who did not have on field discipline problems) that would not have been able to play football at a&t if their gpa fell below 3.4? i personally haven't heard or read where coach brown himself "required" a 3.4 minimum gpa for walk-ons nor anybody else. but if he did do that, the standard should be the same for scholarship players as it is for walk-ons, period...
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Post by aggie2039 on Feb 7, 2023 19:49:22 GMT -5
A&T is attracting a different kind of student than many of us were!! A&T now enrolls more Black first-year students each year than U.S. News and World Report’s top 10 national universities combined and with a nationally competitive academic profile. The university’s average first-year student arrives with a 3.7 high school GPA and SAT scores well over 1,000. www.ncat.edu/news/2022/08/ncat-begins-2022-23-academic-year.phpFinding a student athletes with a 3.4 GPA isn’t as difficult as some of you assume.
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Post by jbrob on Feb 8, 2023 4:28:46 GMT -5
Don't call us we'll call you.
There are few athletes on campus that the coaches don't know about.
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Post by Trueaggie on Feb 8, 2023 7:17:04 GMT -5
No... it means that if you are suiting up for us he has to be able to depend on you. Can't play if you are not eligible. He is raising the bar. Yeah I get that, but you don't need a 3.4 gpa just to be eligible. You do if you want to be on the Dean's list though. I don't have a problem with it, I'm just pointing out that our team's focus is on high academic standards now, especially if you want to walk on. I have a problem with a 3.4 GPA walk on requirement; it’s as though they really don’t want any. We will see if his plan works for building a program.
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Post by ohsixrain on Feb 8, 2023 8:47:50 GMT -5
This is interesting, I'm not saying right or wrong. I just hope it doesn't have a negative impact and prevent us from finding those diamonds in the rough, if you will. But, it's all about perception...some see it as positive change needed around the football program and others, not so much.
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Post by AggieMac on Feb 8, 2023 10:31:23 GMT -5
Yeah I get that, but you don't need a 3.4 gpa just to be eligible. You do if you want to be on the Dean's list though. I don't have a problem with it, I'm just pointing out that our team's focus is on high academic standards now, especially if you want to walk on. I have a problem with a 3.4 GPA walk on requirement; it’s as though they really don’t want any. We will see if his plan works for building a program. We really have to put this in context. This is about walk-ons, not PWOs that the coaches vet themselves and choose kids they would want on the team but have given scholarships to higher priority recruits. All this is saying is if you really want to be on the football team that bad, you can, but your GPA must provide a benefit to the team. We are not where we were when Broadway took over and we had to rely on walk-ons because of scholarship restrictions.
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Post by aggiechampd on Feb 9, 2023 11:49:06 GMT -5
Maybe I’m being harsh…but for a walk-on…a 3.4 GPA seems reasonable… Wasn’t discipline a big complaint with the last coach here? Having a GPA that high requires it. i don't think "academic discipline" was the problem with our previous coach. it was more so "on the field discipline" that was lacking with our previous coach. me personally? if i were head coach, i would not hold walk-ons to a higher standard than scholarship players nor the general student body. my own opinion? requiring a 3.4 gpa (if its true) is "ridiculous" and could potentially run off walk-ons who actually could make major contributions to the team. when i was in school, had coach murray neely required our track team to maintain a 3.4 gpa, he may have had only 2 or 3 athletes on the track team. i don't even think requiring a 3.0 makes sense. makes me wonder if coach brown himself had a 3.4 gpa or above in college. requiring a 2.5 or above, i can live with that. but i wouldn't "require" more than that. of course, i would "encourage" more than a 2.5, but not "require" it. if i'm not mistaken, i believe the "minimum" gpa requirement for eligibility by the ncaa is 2.3 or above. i mean, can you imagine how many former aggie football players (who did not have on field discipline problems) that would not have been able to play football at a&t if their gpa fell below 3.4? i personally haven't heard or read where coach brown himself "required" a 3.4 minimum gpa for walk-ons nor anybody else. but if he did do that, the standard should be the same for scholarship players as it is for walk-ons, period... It’s about having the GPA to walk on…I don’t think it’s expected to keep it that high… And making sure you have good grades should be like the first step when you’re going to an academic institution don’t you think?
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Post by numberonebrave on Feb 9, 2023 12:58:04 GMT -5
Question, IS the GPA requirement based on a HS or your NCAT GPA ? If you enrolled in January you only have a HS GPA. If you are a second semester freshman, then you have one semester of grades.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 9, 2023 23:27:26 GMT -5
i don't think "academic discipline" was the problem with our previous coach. it was more so "on the field discipline" that was lacking with our previous coach. me personally? if i were head coach, i would not hold walk-ons to a higher standard than scholarship players nor the general student body. my own opinion? requiring a 3.4 gpa (if its true) is "ridiculous" and could potentially run off walk-ons who actually could make major contributions to the team. when i was in school, had coach murray neely required our track team to maintain a 3.4 gpa, he may have had only 2 or 3 athletes on the track team. i don't even think requiring a 3.0 makes sense. makes me wonder if coach brown himself had a 3.4 gpa or above in college. requiring a 2.5 or above, i can live with that. but i wouldn't "require" more than that. of course, i would "encourage" more than a 2.5, but not "require" it. if i'm not mistaken, i believe the "minimum" gpa requirement for eligibility by the ncaa is 2.3 or above. i mean, can you imagine how many former aggie football players (who did not have on field discipline problems) that would not have been able to play football at a&t if their gpa fell below 3.4? i personally haven't heard or read where coach brown himself "required" a 3.4 minimum gpa for walk-ons nor anybody else. but if he did do that, the standard should be the same for scholarship players as it is for walk-ons, period... It’s about having the GPA to walk on…I don’t think it’s expected to keep it that high… And making sure you have good grades should be like the first step when you’re going to an academic institution don’t you think? maybe i've been outta school too long, but has the scale changed? are we not on a 4.0 scale? do you have to have 3.4 to participate in extra-curricula activities at a&t? look, we all agree that academics is the top priority. but to expect every student to be "honor students" is ridiculous just like requiring walk-ons to be "honor students". football is an extra-curricula activity, not an "honor society". sure, it would be great if all football players had a 3.4 gpa, but that's no more reasonable than requiring a 3.4 to graduate. sorry, i don't agree with requiring a 3.4 gpa to walk-on as a football player, especially if its not required that the "entire team" maintain a 3.4 gpa. just doesn't make sense to me unless our grading scale changed from a 4.0 scale to a 5.0 scale. mind you, i'm a cum laude graduate, so i'm for academic achievement. but i don't feel that every student athlete that wants to try out for football must maintain a 3.4 gpa...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 9, 2023 23:27:57 GMT -5
Question, IS the GPA requirement based on a HS or your NCAT GPA ? If you enrolled in January you only have a HS GPA. If you are a second semester freshman, then you have one semester of grades. good question...
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 10, 2023 11:15:01 GMT -5
My opinion is that the 3.4 GPA requirement is to discourage lots of walkons. Many walkons do not make the team or end up playing significantly on the field, so Coach set the bar high for tryout. His primary focus is on the scholarship players. I disagree with the 3.4 GPA, but he is the HC.
Also, I doubt this applies to walkons that were on last year's team, just new walkons. In addition, if a kid walks up to the coach and he looks like a stud or he mentions an incredible 40 time, that coach is going to make an exception to the GPA requirement to take a look at this kid. With the high GPA requirement, the coaches limit these types of occurrences. Who is going to put the HC in check if he allows a walkon to be on the team with a 3.0 GPA. No one.
The 3.4 GPA requirement for walkons has little to do with discipline. Discipline comes from the coaches and team position leaders. Those are whom the rest of the team follows. You have to be on the field to get a penalty to hurt the team, which are mostly scholarship players. Therefore, I believe the 3.4 GPA is more of a discourage factor than discipline tool. We all know that we have scholarship players on the team that received GPA waivers (NCAA rule) to enroll at NC A&T, therefore when you truly look at it from that perspective, why would you set the bar that high and miss out on a potential future good player. This also rules out those who argue this high GPA requirement by Coach is due to A&T's great academic admissions achievements for regular students. This does not apply to all student-athletes.
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 10, 2023 12:04:05 GMT -5
Honestly, how many impact walk-ons have we had? The last one I remember was Curtis Deloatch. In fact, he was the only one I remember.
Correct me because I'm sure I'm wrong, but walk-ons are basically live tackling dummies aren't they?
I'm not seeing where the requirement for a pwo or a recruited player is 3.4. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume we have a surplus of players as well due to covid and what-not, so the need for live tackling dummies isn't there yet. If I had to bet, I'd bet as we see attrition in the program due to the covid extra seasons, that gpa requirement will go down.
In the meantime, I can't be upset over a 3.4 requirement for somebody who will most likely have zero impact on the program. If they really have the desire to play for the school, then the requirements they have to meet are plainly laid out. If they meet them then you know you have somebody who's not going to give up easily.
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