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Post by DOOMS on May 23, 2005 12:18:31 GMT -5
Naw that wasn't why he got fired. That's why he got reprimanded like a toddler by Chancellor Renick.
The legislature ain't putting money into the game, but they're putting money into both schools that participate in the game. And its that money that keeps the authorities on the issue silent.
The fact that the legislature ain't care about it before is moot. The fact that they care about it now (or at least the administration thinks they care about it enough to silence anybody with a differing opinion) is the problem. If they say "ok, end it, it's fine with us" it will probably end. If they don't, it won't.
It's really that simple.
If you don't believe me, just ask an administrator. I did. And in so many words the response I got was that the legislature wants the game in Raleigh.
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Post by da heretic on May 23, 2005 12:35:53 GMT -5
Quote "The legislature ain't putting money into the game, but they're putting money into both schools that participate in the game. And its that money that keeps the authorities on the issue silent."
That's what the state's supposed to do since A&T is a state institution. I'm still not seein the connection b/w the game and the legislature continuing it. The funding that A&T does get from the state, which I don't think is that much of their budget, goes to the academic side of the university. Again, since the state in theory "owns" A&T, they're obligated to financially support the university...not to mention that whole land grant institution thang that allowed two separate ag schools for us and honkies.
Now if you're arguing that the legislature wants the game because it makes NC State money, then I can understand that.
I still say we oughta frag this sheeet and ta hell with da legislature. They would have to justify takin away money from A&T, and da I'm takin my ball and go home argument wouldn't cut it.
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Post by DOOMS on May 23, 2005 13:12:00 GMT -5
Like I said man, if you don't believe me, ask an administrator. I spent 10 solid minutes explaining to Renick and Davis why that game should be canned and they spent 10 solid minutes looking through me like I'm made of glass. Renick then said "the legislature likes having the game in Raleigh" slapped me on the back, giggled, and rolled off with a scared look in his eye.
Ask any administrator. Batting it back and forth on the board ain't gonna change it. Ask 'em and note their response, especially the body language.
As far as jerking funds from us, how hard is it to legitimize a budget cut when the whole state's in a prolonged financial crisis? Not very. I can come up with ten solid reasons why the budget could legitimitely be cut tomorrow without trying. I can think of two reasons why the school shouldn't even be open anymore or should at best be an adjuct campus of UNC-G. Are you starting to get my drift?
It's trivial but if you piss off the wrong set of people, trivial or not, you will find yourself on the wrong side of the employment line. I wouldn't think it was that serious but for the reaction I got and the reprimand that Davis got.
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Post by Gator on May 23, 2005 15:35:59 GMT -5
A-1
When was the last time you saw that many people at a A&T vs. WSSU game?
Pure speculation!
Where are all of these so called fans coming from for this game? GSO and Winston alone won't produce it.
8 thousand cars parking where? When and where does A&T charge parking?
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Post by JeffAggieFan on May 23, 2005 16:11:08 GMT -5
This would be my calcuation
10,000 fans X 25.00 per ticket = 250,000* These are the tickets left after season tickets 1,000 cars X 5.00 parking average 5,000*Let remember partrons ride buses plus people park off campus and give the money to other folks beside A&T
$15 per person X 10,000 fans = 150,000
Project Revenue $405,000
Expenses the same as A1 and he should also concession foods $ 90,000
Total $325,000
I would think the home team would get 2-1 split so 216K and 109K for WSSU now the next year would flip flop. Now this secenario would work for A&T and WSSU as long as the price stays at $25 a ticket. I think if you sold the tickets for less you are in trouble
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Post by Aggie One on May 23, 2005 16:46:58 GMT -5
Gator, last two times we played WSSU, it drew 18,000 here and 19,000 there in the finale so 20,000 for the renewal of the rivalry is really an underestimation of how many folks would show up.
8,000 cars for parking can easily be acheived if you utilize all available space in and around campus on a Holiday weekend including Memorial stadium that we have a lease on for baseball. That figure sounds like a lot but it really isn't for that size crowd (3 people per car on average).
I know a lot of traditionalists love the Central game but the dollars are in playing Winston Salem which we are going to do anyway since they will be coming ino the MEAC next year (provisional in football).
The only people making any real profit off the Aggie-Eagle any more is NCSU and the City of Raleigh. NCCU simply doesn't have the base nor the correct leadership at this point to step up into 1-AA in football fulltime and they must do that to keep this game alive.
Once Dee Todd sits down with Renick in June then shows him the bottom line on the balance sheet on the profit to be made from promoting WSSU/A&T versus the split with NCCU, Renick will pull the plug on this game.
I'll be here to say I told you so when it happens.
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Post by Aggie77 on May 23, 2005 17:29:45 GMT -5
Once Dee Todd sits down with Renick in June then shows him the bottom line on the balance sheet on the profit to be made from promoting WSSU/A&T versus the split with NCCU, Renick will pull the plug on this game. That's the only way the A/E goes away. The first year would be a sell-out easily. The following years may need a marketing nudge depending on the success of the previous year. I would bill it as the Labor Day Classic (no season ticket holders) split the expenses & revenue equally. When the game is our home game, our AD chairs the committee and vice versa. If it doesn't work Central will always be on the vine. The A/E generates more revenue than their HC. If doesn’t work we move on the Aggie Labor Day Classic. At the fan level it's about who win the game, at the Administration/AD level it should be about maximizing revenue.
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Post by bluehaze on May 23, 2005 20:26:15 GMT -5
Gator, The parking lot at the Union and the lot that runs down from the bookstore to the stadium, have been charging $5 for at least the last two years.
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Post by DOOMS on May 24, 2005 6:59:20 GMT -5
You guys really think Renick doesn't already know we would make more money at Aggie Stadium and/or playing Winston?
Come on man. Come on.
Just ask him about it. He's approachable...
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Post by Gator on May 24, 2005 7:15:06 GMT -5
Somebody better check Winston's progress as to becoming 1-AA. I live here in W-S, and I see nothing.
I see revenue, now show me projected cost for hosting the game. All I see is a guaranteed check, regardless of rain, sleep, or snow.
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Post by Aggie77 on May 24, 2005 9:26:52 GMT -5
You guys really think Renick doesn't already know we would make more money at Aggie Stadium and/or playing Winston? Come on man. Come on. Just ask him about it. He's approachable... I think he knows, and as the astute politician that he is, he has a grasp of the complete situation. Who by the way, appears to have a constituency growing wary of this game. Though I can’t dispute your legislature theory, I find it hard to believe the complete legislature body of NC gives a “flying crap” about the A/E. However, looking through the recent Chancellor’s Report there ain’t a lot of big DOLLAR donor alumni out here, so that ain’t the problem. But something is, because the finances don’t support the current structure. So, does that leave us with, we are to lazy to do anything else except accept the guaranteed check. Timing is everything, and now is the time to make a change.
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Post by da heretic on May 24, 2005 9:59:12 GMT -5
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"Though I can’t dispute your legislature theory, I find it hard to believe the complete legislature body of NC gives a “flying crap” about the A/E."
Thanks, Aggie 77. I apologize to all on my previous post; I wasn't as clear as 77 was. That's my whole point. The entire, or even a minority of the general assembly is not interestd in this game.
And hey, Doomsday, as for justifications of takin money away from A&T, those can be made for every campus in the UNC system, including UNC-CH and NC State. My point is any funds taken from a university has to pass through the entire assembly, not just a few members. I think.
On another point, believe me, I KNOW my opinion won't decide the fate of this game. I'm just givin my reasons why it should go, however unrealistic they are. With that said, I aint doutin anythin you're sayin, Doomday. It just seems like this game won't get the football program where we'd all like to see it. If we're really serious about being a national program, alumni, administration and coaches, this game should be killed, whether the legislature wants it or not.
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Post by DOOMS on May 24, 2005 10:13:30 GMT -5
At the risk of re-repeating myself...
I wouldn't think the legislature gives two shitz about the game either, but for the reactions I got when I mentioned it. Somebody somewhere with some power that concerns our chancellor enough to have him reprimand his a.d. over making a statement concerning ending the game likes having the game. Maybe State alums in the house like having that extra payday.
Please, don't believe me. Just e-mail Dee Todd and/or James Renick and gauge their responses for yourself.
As for the game having any bearing on our ability to be a national power, puhlease. Georgia Southern played Johnson C. Smith last year. JMU played Lock Haven. The difference is they are beating the hell out of these teams. Don't blame Central cause we ain't as good as we'd like.
Believe me, Renick & company have heard it all before. Davis told me he'd heard it all before. Problem is it simply (and obviously) ain't up to them anymore. Until whoever has a stranglehold on them lets go, we can be mad all we want.
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Post by da heretic on May 24, 2005 10:27:21 GMT -5
We definitely should look into this.
But you know there are two rules for national promenience: one for Black schools and one for white ones. Hell, Ga. Southern got 7 national titles; they can schedule junior high schools for all I care...they've earned the right, from the granters of promenience standpoint.
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Post by Gator on May 24, 2005 10:27:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't say the whole legislative body, but there are a few Eagles and Aggies that are within the legislative body that do want it.
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