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Post by DOOMS on May 5, 2005 15:26:50 GMT -5
Wake canceled Elon as a direct result of how poorly we played, even though every Elon fan in America would've been there.
The numbers weren't any better than if Wake had Air Force there. Actually, their fan base was selling off tix left and right. And after that b.s. I can't blame them.
Realistically, would any of us actually have a problem with the game if we were routinely beating Central by 50 plus points like a decent I-AA should be doing to an average d-2? I know I wouldn't. I have a bigger problem with our on-field performance versus them every year since like '90. If you look at the schedules of the I-AA powerhouses, they almost all have a d-2 on them. The difference is they pummel them while we play like hot garbage.
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Post by TOPPDOGG on May 5, 2005 19:06:00 GMT -5
Kill It!!!
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Post by da heretic on May 6, 2005 12:22:25 GMT -5
Doomdsay,
As far as the NC State/ECU game goes, you're right that the NC general assembly forced that game, but ECU wanted to play, not NC State; that's why there was such a big stink about it. ECU alumni members of the general assembly forced that game on NC State. ECU needed the exposure of playin a "big 4" ACC school, and the ECU alum legislators wanted their alma mammy to get some attention. State didn't want the game cuz they sucked and ECU had Jeff Blake and they were a hellava lot better team than State.
The Aggie/Eagle game wasn't a concoction from any member of the general assembly, those dumbasses. It came from Willie Burden, one of A&T's former ad's and a NC State alum. There aint no law, not to my knowledge, that says A&T and Central must play football, like it is with State/ECU. If that's the case where da hell were them legislators when A&T and central didn't play for almost 10 years?
As for my bellyachin about this game, I was cryin like a b*tch to end the sheeet long before dummy (b*tch hayes) and dummy, jr. (small) started coachin this game punks. And, yes, I would still be cryin like a b*tch if we were kickin their a$$ by "fitty" points every season.
The powerhouse 1AA schools got a right to schedule "creampuff" d2 schools; they're playin in the so-con, a-10, big sky, etc.; we playin in the MEwhACk. Also, they've played and are playin top 10 1A teams; We aint.
But hell, I'm debatin Thurgood Marshall, jr... I aint sheeet.
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Post by DOOMS on May 6, 2005 12:50:11 GMT -5
Yeah man, I know State didn't want to play ECU. That's who I meant by "they". I should've been clearer. There isn't a law that says we have to play them, but my theory is if we try to get out of it there dang sure will be one, or we'll lose state funding for some reason. Me? Thurgood Marshall, Jr? Naw, he looks a lot like Tiger Woods. And you should have a higher opinion of yourself But like I said most of this is theory on my part. The parts I know are true are the ECU/State thing, the fact that the legislature by and large want the game in Raleigh, and nigras get real scared looking and get hushed up real quick when they talk about ending the game. The legislature could very well be of the mindset "if you don't play them in Raleigh you don't play them anywhere" which of course would play into our hands. But just ask Renick about that game and notice his reaction. This is above his head. I'm with Dex in thinking Elon gets the boot. Nobody seems real interested in that game but me, you and Elon. And that stinks cause they are a SoCon team (although a bad one) and they are very close by.
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Post by da heretic on May 6, 2005 18:39:29 GMT -5
Doomsday, as the British say, we've put ourselves into a "sticky wicket."
The legislature didn't even bother with the game until '95 or '96 when close to "fitty" thousand came to game; attendance has been downhill since. And besides, "T" aint gittin nothin from, or hardly nothin, from the general assembly now.
The Thurgood Marshall reference was that you're a quality lawyer, so why would I argue a case against a wizard litigator? ;D
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Post by DOOMS on May 6, 2005 23:35:06 GMT -5
Doomsday, as the British say, we've put ourselves into a "sticky wicket." The legislature didn't even bother with the game until '95 or '96 when close to "fitty" thousand came to game; attendance has been downhill since. And besides, "T" aint gittin nothin from, or hardly nothin, from the general assembly now. Damn, didn't think of that. We did indeed pretty much do this to ourselves.
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Post by da heretic on May 7, 2005 8:44:44 GMT -5
Qoute by Doomsday:
"Damn, didn't think of that. We did indeed pretty much do this to ourselves."
Yep. With that bein the case, I think, maybe foolishly, that we could get ourselves out of it if we can appeal to the legislators that we want the football program to become more nationally recognized by playin a total 1AA schedule, and rely less on state funding by generating more revenue ourselves.
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Post by Aggie One on May 20, 2005 8:10:21 GMT -5
From the Winston Salem Chronicle:
A&T's Todd also good for WSSU
By Anthony Hill The Chronicle
N.C. A&T hired a great athletic director last week in DeLores "Dee" Todd. I'm not going to sit here and list all of the many accomplishments she's had over the last 30 years. Put it this way: She's been doing her thing for a very long time.
I'm not sure who any of the other candidates were for the position, but the race had to be over once Todd was officially listed as a candidate. You can't compete with the type of things she's done, not to mention she was very familiar with the city, school and tradition being that she worked in the Atlantic Coast Conference offices, which are also in Greensboro.
They're all really excited at A&T, and they should be. Heck, I'd be excited if Todd was hired as my boss too. But N.C. A&T may not be the only institution that got excited over Todd getting the A.D. position.
I can imagine more than a few people associated with Winston-Salem State athletics got a little happier too. The hire looks like a great thing for WSSU too. You have to remember the Rams are trying to make the leap to Division I, and it would like to be in the MEAC. Winston-Salem State already has a couple MEAC teams on the schedule after this season. But the game everyone really wants to see is a tilt between the Aggies and the Rams.
Forget about the Aggie-Eagle Classic. Don't get me wrong. N.C. Central is a pretty good school, with a lot of tradition (So I've heard). But, there's no game like the Rams and Aggies. Y'all remember how hyped it used to get around here for that game. That's a win-win for both schools too.
I was talking with N.C. A&T's sports information director, Brian Holloway, and we both agreed that the Aggie and Ram game would be an instant classic. That's like two homecomings a year. Think about it. The only question we could come up with was where the game would be played every year. Both Aggie Stadium and Bowman Gray hold about 20,000 fans, but that probably isn't enough space. If it were, it would be a huge moneymaker every year. So maybe they could play at Groves Stadium. It holds 31,500 fans. That might work right there.
There's no doubt that Todd and WSSU's Chico Caldwell will make this game happen.
Even though Todd may have a newfound case of "Aggie Pride," she will always love WSSU. She graduated with honors from Winston-Salem State University in 1972 with a degree in health and physical education, was inducted into the Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association ("CIAA") Hall of Fame in 2001. She was also inducted into the Winston-Salem State University Hall of Fame. So, the relationship between N.C. A&T and Winston-Salem State should be great for years to come, and I look forward to that football game.
I think I might have to go One-on-One with "Dee" pretty soon to find out what else we can expect at A&T. She'll officially begin on June 15.
I still think the Aggie-Eagle classic is all but over after this year unless Central commits to 1-AA status this year.
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Post by Gator on May 23, 2005 7:55:04 GMT -5
Again, being from the downeast part of the state, I don't think it will go away so fast. Especially, if the money is right for both schools.
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Post by da heretic on May 23, 2005 8:37:32 GMT -5
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"Especially, if the money is right for both schools."
There's the rub, Gator, the money aint right for either school. Has anyone else noticed, I'm sure they have, that NC State has scheduled their season opener at home for the past several years? Reson: the Aggie/Eagle is the same as two straight home games in one weekend for State. They gettin all the money from the Aggie/Eagle. Aint nothin there to continue this game.
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Post by Gator on May 23, 2005 9:44:48 GMT -5
Check the guaranted payout numbers.
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Post by Aggie One on May 23, 2005 10:38:17 GMT -5
$125,000 guarantee for each school from this past year's Aggie-Eagle.
Let's just say as an example, we play WSSU instead at relatively the same ticket prices, keep all concessions, and parking revenue and split the proceeds. These figures are based on very conservative average estimates from sales controlled by A&T and WSSU.
20,000 fans x $25.00 per ticket avg. = $500,000
8,000 cars parking avg x $5.00 = $40,000
$15 per person/concession avg x 20,000 fans = $300,000
Projected Revenue - $ 840,000
No measurable travel expenses, no rental costs, no service fees in a home and home series. Now factor in the normal costs for security, traffic control, insurance, and lighting, etc., oh let's say for the sake of agruement, at the most $90,000, which is way too high.
The schools would still easily clear well over $750,000 giving them a minimum $325,000 split each.
A no-brainer! I'm telling you Aggie/Eagle dies after this year!
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Post by da heretic on May 23, 2005 11:00:30 GMT -5
Quote:
"Check the guaranted payout numbers. "...
and compare 'em to what State's gettin in just parkin alone.
Aggie One's shown that the dough is in playin WSSU...especially since they're comin up to 1-AA.
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Post by DOOMS on May 23, 2005 11:11:08 GMT -5
Hell, all that's been known for years. It's all up to the state legislature. Yeah, we could stong arm them and show the numbers and get them to back down, but come appropriations time guess who doesn't get budget increases as a result?
Don't forget what happened when Chuck D. said "it's over" in the N&R.
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Post by da heretic on May 23, 2005 11:58:54 GMT -5
Do you really believe that's why he got fired?
The legislature didn't start the game, and they're not puttin any money into it, so why is the legislature an issue?
Like I said before, nobody in the legislature said sheeet about this game when A&T didn't play central for almost a decade back in the eighties.
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