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Post by DOOMS on May 24, 2005 11:00:42 GMT -5
We definitely should look into this. But you know there are two rules for national promenience: one for Black schools and one for white ones. Hell, Ga. Southern got 7 national titles; they can schedule junior high schools for all I care...they've earned the right, from the granters of promenience standpoint. There's only one rule for national prominence I know of: Beat the crap out of the teams you're supposed to beat the crap out of (i.e.: everybody on our schedule). If we did our part everything would take care of itself. But we've never done our part for a whole season. Never. Gator, somebody floated the theory that State loves getting the equivalent of two home games in one week with us sharecropping their space. I'm betting that has something to do with it too.
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Post by da heretic on May 24, 2005 11:07:54 GMT -5
It also matters who you put on your schedule.
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Post by DOOMS on May 24, 2005 11:12:47 GMT -5
It does to a certain extent, but Central is not keeping us out of the playoffs or out of the rankings; Not beating them like bongos is.
I mean really man, we just came off a 3 win season and we're worried about Central keeping us out of the playoffs?!? We should be a little more worried about us keeping us out of the playoffs.
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Post by da heretic on May 24, 2005 11:28:09 GMT -5
I didn't say that central was keepin us outta da playoffs. I'm sayin that we can't become a promenient national team with ANY d-2 school on our schedule until consistent national success.
I agree that with consistent beatdowns and consistent showins in the playoff will bring us to promenience, but that won't happen until we get the d-2 teams off the schedule and replace 'em with at least quality 1-AA opposition. But let's think about not gettin an automatic bid; strength of schedule counts, as well as counting in terms of playoff seeding.
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Post by DOOMS on May 24, 2005 11:38:33 GMT -5
Realistically, Central's as good as a fourth to fifth place MEAC team most years. If you want quality I-AA competition, you're barking up the wrong tree conference-wise. In order to remain in the MEAC and get consideration for an at-large bid, you have to FAMU '99 everybody on the schedule.
Central ain't holding us back from anything. If anything they are helping us to realize how very far from where we'd like us to be we remain.
p.s. the saddest part is that the game actually hurts Central's chances at the d-2 playoffs because the d-2 selection committee places more weight on beating a regional d-2 rival than it does on beating a I-AA. Switching gears: another theory popped into my head. I figure the legislature (the ones that care, anyway) sees the game as a financial boost to three state schools: A&T, Central, and State. If you're a legislator and you're looking at it that way, no way in hell you're letting it end cause a few dozen internet fans whose giving won't equal the pennies each school gets each year from this thing want it to end.
We might can't end the game, but if y'all so scared of Central, we might could get Winston or anybody else to play us in Raleigh.
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Post by Aggie One on May 24, 2005 12:16:22 GMT -5
Pleeaazzzeee. It's not a question of being scared of NCCU or anyone else. I'm about keeping our money in our own backyard.
As far as the legislature is concerned, they've never done A&T any real favors since Sen. Martin retired, black or white. That whole group is pathetic at best.
It was the voters approving the massive UNC system $1.5 billion building bond four years ago and Renick's own fund raising efforts from private sources that have made for the boom on our campus.
IMO, we ought to decide our own fortunes and realize that true black economic growth lies in getting control of and keeping our revenue in our own hands.
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Post by da heretic on May 24, 2005 12:21:18 GMT -5
"and get consideration for an at-large bid, you have to FAMU '99 everybody on the schedule. "
That's fine w/me. Central may not hurt us, but they damn sho don't help us. But beyond that, strength of schedule boost is important to me. With the MEAC's weak a$$, we'd have to strenghten the schedule, i.e., dump central, to gain a modicum of r-e-s-p-e-c-t...."just a l'il bit." Like I said, I got a problem w/playin any d-2 school, not just central, which, by the way, I'm bored with. I'd rather see us play them in b-ball.
State's de only school gittin paid off this game...now I'll buy THAT argument.
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Post by DOOMS on May 24, 2005 12:23:40 GMT -5
Only one problem with that, A1;
it's a state school. The day we go private is the day we can do that. Despite dwindling state funding for the school, the state can close our a$$ tonight.
We don't have a great deal of say in this without strong-arming the legislature by putting these numbers on the big screen and embarassing them to death about basically forcing two hbcus to give money to NC State. Even then there's probably more NC State grads than A&T and Central grads combined twice over in this state. They ain't gonna care. The answer lies in the private forum...
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Post by Aggie One on May 24, 2005 13:19:35 GMT -5
My final word on this. I don't buy the general assembly agruement and never will. I work in those halls every day and believe me that those clowns don't have that kind of clout nor any interest in A&T or any other HBCU let alone a football game between them.
If you don't think that UNC, NCSU, ECU, App State, and even freakin lowly UNC-G don't have significant control over their revenue intake on athletic events by setting their own schedules, pricing, and marketing....... well let's just say that is at best a rather narrow simplistic and defeatist viewpoint that lends itself to ......"let's we just need to bend over and take it because getting screwed in this arrangement is what we're supposed to get anyway.
Just because things are this way currently doesn't mean we have to accept that is the way they will always be.
I reject that entire notion without reservation.
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Post by DOOMS on May 24, 2005 14:08:46 GMT -5
Ok. Then why are we still in the game?
Is it because the only people who don't want the game are the four people who chimed in on this thread? That might be the case considering the attendance by Aggies is almost always higher than that by Eagles.
Is it because our administration has no idea that the game would make us more money at home? Highly unlikely.
Why is Renick so quick to laugh off any suggestion of changing the venue even though common sense says we could do better elsewhere?
Why was Davis soundly pummeled when he suggested ending the game?
We can bat back and forth all day about what we want and how great an idea this is versus that, but there is something that is keeping this game in play and I'm certain these are ideas that have been batted around by the decision-makers at our alma mater before we even got tired of the game (like around 1989 or so).
While the general assembly may or may not particularly give two poots about A&T and Central, you can't argue with the fact that THREE state schools seeing major revenue from a football game is in their eyes better than TWO (or if we had our way, ONE) state schools seeing revenue from a football game. Or you could argue with it, but it'd be arguing with the truth.
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Post by Aggie77 on May 24, 2005 15:07:38 GMT -5
Ok. Then why are we still in the game? I think the main reason is because it’s a tradition, and traditions die hard. We have played no team more than Central. Since the 1930's we only missed a hand full of games, mostly during WWII and 1993. I once heard a rumor that the alumni from both schools raised holy hell about 1993 but I have yet to meet one that cared and only about five that even knew we didn’t play. There’s even a part of me that wishes for the old rivalry, but I was at “T” in the 70’s things have changed and times have changed. After all I finally gave up drinking Thunderbird and MD20/20.
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Post by DOOMS on May 24, 2005 15:14:21 GMT -5
So is it that only a few of us actually want the game to end? That would explain Renick's and Davis' reaction just as well if most of the alumni were for the game.
And if that's the case we might as well stfu and enjoy it.
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Post by AggieGroove on May 24, 2005 15:45:43 GMT -5
Ok. Then why are we still in the game? After all I finally gave up drinking Thunderbird and MD20/20. ;D So that proves it is time to give up NCCU......
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Post by Brandmasta on May 24, 2005 20:57:20 GMT -5
I was pissed off in 93 when we didnt play them. Not sure why though...in the band we always peeled their hairlines back, but still, I enjoyed the game.
The past 2 years have provided some real drama and excitement, and I will be in Raleigh this year too. Part of it is because of the rivalry, part of it is because I hadnt seen the blue and gold in 9 months and just itchin to see the boys play and our band march.
Basically, I dont care if we play NCCU or WSSU first, I will be there, just as giddy as a kid on x-mas come kickoff time.
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Post by Gator on May 25, 2005 6:26:23 GMT -5
Dropping NCCU and WSSU will do what for our strength of schedule? Not a damn thing.
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