bluehaze
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Post by bluehaze on May 4, 2005 13:04:05 GMT -5
With the hiring of Dee Todd, a WSSU graduate and Hall of Famer, is this the final straw to break the Labor Day Classic back?
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Post by Aggie One on May 4, 2005 13:08:33 GMT -5
We'll open with WSSU starting next year since they are coming into the league next season even as provisional for a few years in football. NCCU can just about kiss the series goodbye unless they make the move to the MEAC immediatley.
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Post by da heretic on May 4, 2005 13:18:55 GMT -5
Quote: "NCCU can just about kiss the series goodbye unless they make the move to the MEAC immediatley."
Immediate for them, Aggie One, is a bunch of talk for over a decade about movin up. I won't hold my breath on Central becomin a member of the MEAC.
I've said it before, good riddance to the game; let's start a new classic with WSSU. I always hated that we ended the original series with Winston.
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Post by da heretic on May 4, 2005 13:26:55 GMT -5
Quote: "NCCU can just about kiss the series goodbye unless they make the move to the MEAC immediatley."
Immediate for them, Aggie One, is a bunch of talk for over a decade about movin up. I won't hold my breath on Central becomin a member of the MEAC.
I've said it before, good riddance to the game; let's start a new classic with WSSU. I always hated that we ended the original series with Winston.
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Post by Gator on May 4, 2005 14:06:37 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it!
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Post by DOOMS on May 4, 2005 14:17:07 GMT -5
Me too.
Nobody really wants this game anymore except for two sets of people; central fans and the folks in the legislature.
The game gives the state legislature types the ability to shake a few hands and get some minority votes without having to do anything but take a 10 minute drive over to State's campus. It's them that will have the final say over whether it ends or not.
I asked Renick about it and he explained that the legislature "likes to have the game in Raleigh." I just pieced the rest together myself. Remember, when Chuck D. wanted to end it you never saw a dude get shut up so fast.
The game will end when all the names you see in the program every year start losing votes because of it.
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Post by DECKS on May 4, 2005 15:55:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately I don't think the NCCU game is going anywhere either. It's Elon that's going to get the boot. In the future expect the non-conference to be :
NCCU WSSU I-A team
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Post by Freeze on May 5, 2005 9:59:22 GMT -5
As a native of Winston, I can remember when the A&T and WSSU game used to be a black holiday in the Triad. I know that the NCCU and A&T rivalry is steeped in tradition but I really think that times have changed. I think A&T vs. WSSU would really outdraw the Labor Day classic and if WSSU makes the move to IAA before NCCU can even get there paperwork together then to me it becomes a no brainer.
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Post by Gator on May 5, 2005 10:08:33 GMT -5
The only fans A&T vs. WSSU will draw is just the TRIAD area. The game would do more for WSSU than for A&T. I can remember when the game was played on A&T's campus and didn't sell out. Atleast with NCCU in Raleigh, you have the folks from downeast making it a weekend event. Same goes for the folks from the piedmont and western part of the state.
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Post by da heretic on May 5, 2005 11:30:47 GMT -5
But even with fans drawn from various parts of the state, Gator, the Aggie/Eagle games have only drawn 20,000 for close to a decade,and the vast majority of them are A&T supporters.
The Winston/A&T games in Greensboro didn't sell out, but they drew around 19,000. Also, those past home games for A&T against Winston were played in the afternoon durin the hottest days of summer. With lights, we can have a second homecoming. And those games weren't even promoted 1/3 as much as the Aggie/Eagle and still drew almost as many fans.
Finally, them legislation fools don't even stay for the game, so I think we can get around them. We gotta keep Leon cuz they increase the strength of schedule measurement, and they're the only southern conference team we could beat....well, the citadel too, maybe.
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Post by Aggie One on May 5, 2005 11:47:43 GMT -5
I'm in total agreement with Heretic. Considering that a 12 th game is being added next season, I can forsee ECU coming onto the schedule next season or in 2007 along with keeping Elon for the because they are a Southern Conference school (RPI) or renewing the App State or WCU series (home and home)from the early 90's, and playing one classic each year.
WSSU is a conference member now and NCCU is not. The rules, by logic, will eliminate NCCU, maybe not next year but certainly in 2007 unless they petition to move up to 1-AA at the end of this season. T
Given NCCU's limited financial resources and much smaller fan base, that simply isn't going to happen anytime soon. No disrespect meant to the Eagles but that is just a frank reality.
Pragmatically, keeping NCCU on the schedule as a D-II opponent is not where our future or our best revenue chances appear after 2005 and both Todd or Renick are pragmatists when it comes to the bottom line.... revenue and exposure.
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Post by AggieGroove on May 5, 2005 13:04:56 GMT -5
If A1 is correct in his assessment, that means NCCU is gone after this year, I hope.
The A-E has not drawn like it did at first because us Negroes simply get use to it and stop supporting.
I will support adding Winston because you know we are going to get a consistent 19K+ fans, year in and out plus parking and concessions = bigger revenue. That is the bottom line and plus we become a pretty good game again.
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Post by DOOMS on May 5, 2005 13:48:06 GMT -5
heretic, the legislature never stayed around for the game. Not only that, they're the only people who can make ECU or any other state I-A play us. Wake ain't never gonna play us again. The rest of them wouldn't want to. I'm sure you remember a few years back when State refused to play ECU. The legislature stepped in and State was forced to play them. They also lost to ECU by like 30 points that year.
If the legislature can make NCSU play ECU despite the fact they didn't want to, what makes y'all think they can't make us keep playing Central, in Raleigh, exactly where and when they want us to.
...or they could just further cut our funding and blame it on any number of other things.
The only way the game goes away is if we're no longer one of the top two hbcus in the state or we vote 'em out and they're replaced by folks who don't think you can buy a vote by smiling for two pictures in a sea of Black folk.
One man's opinion.
I think if and when we get an interview with Todd, that should be one of the first questions we ask.
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Post by Babynupe on May 5, 2005 14:36:46 GMT -5
Doesn't Alcorn still owe us a return game? If memory serves, they should be on the schedule in 06'. Assuming WSSU will be part of the MEAC, that leaves 3 non-conference games with a 12 game schedule. If we drop Central, we can play a member of the SWAC, Southern Conference, and a I-A team each year. I would love for us to play the Citadel. Not just because it's in my backyard, but because it'll give us more exposure in SC.
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Post by DECKS on May 5, 2005 14:46:20 GMT -5
Yeah they will. They saw the numbers.
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