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Post by saabman on Apr 17, 2019 11:47:04 GMT -5
That has been an ongoing theme. Carter has never been able to stay healthy at any point in his career. Why? Because he is a bowling ball quarterback who is at his best when the ball is tucked under his arm and his shoulder in planted in the chest of an opposing linebacker. ' That might work in relief duty 2 or 3 times a year, but you will not make in through an entire season playing like that. Carter only had one football related injury and that was in the Kent state game
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 17, 2019 11:51:25 GMT -5
Please remind me of another game where Carter played all 4 quarters. Please remind me of a game where Carter played in 3 consecutive quarters. The SSU game was the only time in his entire career that he was named the starter beforehand and played the entire game. What other body of work does he have to draw a conclusion from? first of all, it ain't as if carter played "poorly" against ssu. he had about 150 yards of total offense, he completed more than 50% of his passes and he had "zero" int's in that game. just because he didn't air it out as you would like, doesn't mean he played "poorly". most importantly, we won the doggone game!! and he threw "zero" int's!! secondly, are your trying to imply that raynard played "exceptionally well" in every game he won? if so, i suggest you go back and check out the first 2 games of last season just as "starters", but there's plenty more. yet, you didn't complain about those games. thirdly, who else on our current roster has played 4 consecutive quarters as a college qb? <crickets> so what's your point in that regard? surely raynard's first 4 consecutive quarters as a starter were not impressive either, but you didn't complain about that. kylil's body of work? dude, check his career stats!! he's a career 55% plus pass completion qb who arguably led us to 3 of the biggest wins in aggie football history!! what's fowler's body of work? <crickets> what's ifedi's body of work? <crickets> so what's your point? When did I make any of those arguments that you just listed? It's easy to win a debate when you are creating the talking points for both sides. There is no QB on our roster who has seen extended time as a starting QB. Carter has the most game experience, but it has been almost entirely in relief duty. BTW: I refuse to compare Carter against the greatest QB in school history. Please try to show more respect and keep Raynard's name out of this debate.
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Post by saabman on Apr 17, 2019 12:00:01 GMT -5
Carter had 53 yards passing in 4 quarters against Savannah State. Let me say that again: Carter had a grand total of 53 yards through the air ... with weapons like Bell, Leslie and Malik Wilson at his disposal. But on the bright side, he also had a team-high 93 yards on the ground and one rushing touchdown. Those are the kind of stats you would expect from the starting quarterback at Georgia Tech or the Naval Academy. Carter's receivers in that SSU game had a number of drops and drops after contact " with weapons like Bell, Leslie and Malik Wilson at his disposal.
" . So Should we replace Bell and company based on that SSU game Tape don't lie
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 17, 2019 12:03:43 GMT -5
The argument is completely cyclical and has been for the past five pages gentlemen. I've literally read the same talking points from the same pages from three or four different posters.
If you actually believe your argument has any worth I figure you state it once and let it stand on its own merits. Of course I acknowledge not everyone thinks like me and everybody is passionate about the current topic at hand.
I just thought I'd point that out.
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Post by saabman on Apr 17, 2019 12:07:06 GMT -5
The leg injury sustained in the car accident might have been exacerbated by previous contact sustained on the football field. No one can know for sure. lol
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 17, 2019 12:09:03 GMT -5
The argument is completely cyclical and has been for the past five pages gentlemen. I've literally read the same talking points from the same pages from three or four different posters. If you actually believe your argument has any worth I figure you state it once and let it stand on its own merits. Of course I acknowledge not everyone thinks like me and everybody is passionate about the current topic at hand. I just thought I'd point that out. Just wait a few minutes. Oleschool will create a few new talking points for me here in a sec ... and take the time to refute them, one by one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 12:11:38 GMT -5
If we play all 3 quarterbacks against one opponent we are either struggling mightily on offense ... or we are up by 30 in the fourth quarter. This is not a scrimmage we are talking about here. You do not rotate quarterbacks in the season opener just to assess talent. The QBs are going to struggle early. We can be easily be starting the season off 0-3 and have Delaware State game as a "must-win" game because of the QB struggles.
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Post by saabman on Apr 17, 2019 12:12:17 GMT -5
The leg injury sustained in the car accident might have been exacerbated by previous contact sustained on the football field. No one can know for sure. lol Stop Fishing . Just say you just don't like Carter
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 17, 2019 12:15:51 GMT -5
first of all, it ain't as if carter played "poorly" against ssu. he had about 150 yards of total offense, he completed more than 50% of his passes and he had "zero" int's in that game. just because he didn't air it out as you would like, doesn't mean he played "poorly". most importantly, we won the doggone game!! and he threw "zero" int's!! secondly, are your trying to imply that raynard played "exceptionally well" in every game he won? if so, i suggest you go back and check out the first 2 games of last season just as "starters", but there's plenty more. yet, you didn't complain about those games. thirdly, who else on our current roster has played 4 consecutive quarters as a college qb? <crickets> so what's your point in that regard? surely raynard's first 4 consecutive quarters as a starter were not impressive either, but you didn't complain about that. kylil's body of work? dude, check his career stats!! he's a career 55% plus pass completion qb who arguably led us to 3 of the biggest wins in aggie football history!! what's fowler's body of work? <crickets> what's ifedi's body of work? <crickets> so what's your point? When did I make any of those arguments that you just listed? It's easy to win a debate when you are creating the talking points for both sides. There is no QB on our roster who has seen extended time as a starting QB. Carter has the most game experience, but it has been almost entirely in relief duty. BTW: I refuse to compare Carter against the greatest QB in school history. Please try to show more respect and keep Raynard's name out of this debate. point being, you're trying to hold carter to higher standards than your so called greatest qb in aggie football history lived up to. that's why i refer to raynard's past compared to kylil. and guess what? raynard was declared the winning qb in the jsu and ecu games, correct? yet, his performances in those 2 games (especially jsu) were "worse" than kylil's performance in the ssu game. but you don't complain about that. instead, you "credit" raynard for those 2 wins because you've referred to his undefeated "winning streak" (which ended with the morgan state game) and you give kylil "zero" credit for those wins as if kylil had nothing to do with "extending" raynard's winning streak despite raynard's extremely poor performances. in other words, raynard's streak would not have been extended had it not been for carter. for example, against jsu, raynard's stats were 12-34 passing (35%) and 1 int. that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than kylil's ssu performance! and against ecu, kylil "out performed" raynard. raynard was 10-20 (50%) for 94 yds and 1 td. carter was 7-9 (78%) for 93 yds and "2" tds. kylil passed "11 fewer times" but gained almost equal yardage to raynard on fewer completions than raynard and carter had a much higher completion rate (78% to 50%). so i agree that raynard may "arguably" be the greatest aggie qb of all time, if not physically, certainly "statistically". but yet, you wanna hold carter to an even higher standard than raynard...
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 17, 2019 12:16:02 GMT -5
If we play all 3 quarterbacks against one opponent we are either struggling mightily on offense ... or we are up by 30 in the fourth quarter. This is not a scrimmage we are talking about here. You do not rotate quarterbacks in the season opener just to assess talent. The QBs are going to struggle early. Sam doesn't run the program that way, period. I believe one of the reasons we've won consistently is because Broadway and Washington know how to conduct practice properly. If you're conducting practice properly you don't come out of fall practice still wondering who you're going to put behind center (or anywhere else). Washington has pretty much picked his qb. If any other qb sees playing time it won't be out of some past due attempt to gauge who the starter should be.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 17, 2019 12:17:14 GMT -5
BTW: this might be Carter's best overall game as an A&T quarterback. It occurred his freshman year.
He replaced Raynard early in the second quarter and led A&T to a 27-6 win over Del State. Threw for 104 yards and 2 touchdowns and ran for 84 yards.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 17, 2019 12:19:21 GMT -5
The argument is completely cyclical and has been for the past five pages gentlemen. I've literally read the same talking points from the same pages from three or four different posters. If you actually believe your argument has any worth I figure you state it once and let it stand on its own merits. Of course I acknowledge not everyone thinks like me and everybody is passionate about the current topic at hand. I just thought I'd point that out. its all good. its the offseason and there's nothing else worth talking about. after all, i'm just having fun with those guys. heck, me and monster "always" debate aggie qb's. lol, this goes all the way back to the kindle era...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 12:22:04 GMT -5
The QBs are going to struggle early. Sam doesn't run the program that way, period. I believe one of the reasons we've won consistently is because Broadway and Washington know how to conduct practice properly. If you're conducting practice properly you don't come out of fall practice still wondering who you're going to put behind center (or anywhere else). Washington has pretty much picked his qb. If any other qb sees playing time it won't be out of some past due attempt to gauge who the starter should be. I may be wrong but, I seem to recall multiple times during Broadway's tenure where the starting QB was pulled due to sluggish passing. Of course, this was before the 2016 season where Raynard began to round into form (when Barnette was hired).
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 17, 2019 12:30:12 GMT -5
BTW: this might be Carter's best overall game as an A&T quarterback. It occurred his freshman year. He replaced Raynard early in the second quarter and led A&T to a 27-6 win over Del State. Threw for 104 yards and 2 touchdowns and ran for 84 yards. hey, in that game, checkout carter's pocket presence and especially his "footwork" on his scramble from the pocket that led to him running a td that got called back. you see that carter is very "fundamentally sound" from the pocket, he's not a "run first" type of qb. checkout his "footwork" from the pocket before he takes off and runs. in terms of "style", carter reminds me of russell wilson except as a starter, carter must learn to protect himself better when he runs. he "buys time" in the pocket as he goes thru his progressions. you'll notice his "short choppy steps" (inside the pocket) to elude the pass rush as he goes thru his progressions. that's a sign of a very "fundamentally sound" pocket passing qb! a lot of qb's would've took off running far sooner than kylil did. and no, kylil did not take off running before he went thru his progressions. but when he saw that no one was open and that there was a lane for him to run, he took off and scored a td! however, it did get called back due to a penalty that i did not see. but that still doesn't take away from carter's outstanding "pocket footwork". play it back in "slow motion" and you'll see what i mean...
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Post by VA's Finest on Apr 17, 2019 12:32:55 GMT -5
I'm not saying mortgage 2019 for 2020, I believe with the current state of the MEAC we have a legitimate shot at winning another title with Fowler and/or Ifedi at the helm.
I just hope the posts on this site reflect this same attitude following a potential NDSU route because we decide to walk into the Fargo Dome with a QB with 0 meaningful snaps to his credit. No one at that time should cry, "we should have been better prepared for this game". We have an opportunity to prepare by getting guys that will be here in the near future ready for leading this program and still win 2019.
I definitely want to win now and ready to book my flight back to the ATL. I just think there is a responsible way to win now and prepare for if the FUTURE (maybe limiting it to NDSU is what has you in an uproar).
I believe this is the same site that is dogging my guy T-Rob for his non-conference record, let's be equal here. And yes, T-Rob is a coach who has won regular season and MEAC tourney titles. Yet he isnt doing enough in the non conference.
I honestly believe my scenario will ultimately play out anyway since, Carters playing style lends you to believe the backup will plenty of starting snaps this year.
So here's to a 3-peat and knocking off perennial national champ to Kickoff 2020.
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