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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 16, 2019 14:15:19 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see who rises to take the top spot. I figure the competition has to be intense this year even with Carter getting the public vote of confidence. Last year Carter and Raynard knew barring injury Raynard was starting until he got himself together. This year Carter has to kind of be thinking that even though Coach has stated I'm his man I know he has an eye on Ifedi and what he can do. Likewise Ifedi has to be thinking if he shows out he can take the job outright. Fowler also has to continue to try to work for the starting job. I honestly don't think it'll be settled until fall. Once again, Fowler got the majority of first team reps in the Spring Game. In my opinion, there was nothing that transpired in that contest that would make him seriously contemplate transferring. After Fowler's first two drives, everybody in the stadium thought they were looking at A&T starting quarterback for this season. It is just that he came back down to earth in the second half of the scrimmage - and that's when Ifedi started to get in a groove.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 16, 2019 14:24:38 GMT -5
if that was true, raynard wouldn't have started any more games by game 3 last season cuz he looked like straight up garbage against jsu and ecu... So you would bench a 5th year senior - the preseason MEAC offensive player of the year - who hadn't lost any games he had started in his entire career up to that point? nor would i bench a 5th year senior who has carter's body of work for 2 very "unproven" qb's who have "zero" experience playing in an intense college game while under intense pressure. hey, you're the one who said your most recent history is the best indicator of your future. so the question of whether or not i would bench a 5th year senior should be addressed to you, not me. i think a qb's body of work is a far better indicator rather than his last game as you too allege in stating raynard's case. so which one is it? last game? or body of work? you've made a case for both! say all you want about carter, but neither ifedi nor fowler comes "remotely" close to being a better qb than carter. i know you won't admit it, but coach washington knows i'm telling the truth because he's already "publicly" stated as much...
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 16, 2019 14:24:40 GMT -5
The key to the qb is, does he have the playbook down and does he know where to go with the football when the blitz is coming in hot. If they both do that, then you gotta true QB battle. But, I haven't heard anyone say that either was torching the blitz so, it will be fall camp before this is decided. Carter did show where to go with the ball under heat against ECU...he handled it well except for one throw that he missed Wilson up the seam.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 16, 2019 14:28:29 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see who rises to take the top spot. I figure the competition has to be intense this year even with Carter getting the public vote of confidence. Last year Carter and Raynard knew barring injury Raynard was starting until he got himself together. This year Carter has to kind of be thinking that even though Coach has stated I'm his man I know he has an eye on Ifedi and what he can do. Likewise Ifedi has to be thinking if he shows out he can take the job outright. Fowler also has to continue to try to work for the starting job. I honestly don't think it'll be settled until fall. Once again, Fowler got the majority of first team reps in the Spring Game. In my opinion, there was nothing that transpired in that contest that would make him seriously contemplate transferring. After Fowler's first two drives, everybody in the stadium thought they were looking at A&T starting quarterback for this season. It is just that he came back down to earth in the second half of the scrimmage - and that's when Ifedi started to get in a groove. I wish somebody would've done a play-by-play or something. It would be easier to gauge than just knowing Fowler went like 5-18 and Ifedi went 13-19. So was Ifedi playing against (and with) backups? If Fowler looked like the next starting qb then he would've had to have completed 4-6 or thereabouts on those first two drives, which means he went 1-12 or so the rest of the way unless there were a lot of drops (which it sounds like there were some).
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 16, 2019 14:35:12 GMT -5
So you would bench a 5th year senior - the preseason MEAC offensive player of the year - who hadn't lost any games he had started in his entire career up to that point? nor would i bench a 5th year senior who has carter's body of work for 2 very "unproven" qb's who have "zero" experience of playing in an intense college game while under intense pressure. hey, you're the one who said your most recent history is the best indicator of your future. so the question of whether or not i would start a 5th year senior should be addressed to you, not me. say all you want about carter, but neither ifedi nor fowler comes "remotely" close to being a better qb than carter. i know you won't admit it, but coach washington knows i'm telling the truth because he's already "publicly" stated as much... I think you are creating an imaginary debate in your head. I never said Carter would or wouldn't be the starter this season. That is ultimately up to the coaching staff. I said I have my serious doubts that he would be effective as the starting quarterback. I actually said that if Carter wins the starting job, get ready for the triple option. I think he is limited as a passer and has less potential upside than the other two guys on the roster. I think he is perfect for the role he has been given during his previous 4 years here: as a relief pitcher. In his most recent appearance as a starter, he did enough to get us the victory (mainly with his feet) ... but our vaunted aerial attack pretty much came to a grinding halt.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 16, 2019 14:37:00 GMT -5
Once again, Fowler got the majority of first team reps in the Spring Game. In my opinion, there was nothing that transpired in that contest that would make him seriously contemplate transferring. After Fowler's first two drives, everybody in the stadium thought they were looking at A&T starting quarterback for this season. It is just that he came back down to earth in the second half of the scrimmage - and that's when Ifedi started to get in a groove. I wish somebody would've done a play-by-play or something. It would be easier to gauge than just knowing Fowler went like 5-18 and Ifedi went 13-19. So was Ifedi playing against (and with) backups? If Fowler looked like the next starting qb then he would've had to have completed 4-6 or thereabouts on those first two drives, which means he went 1-12 or so the rest of the way unless there were a lot of drops (which it sounds like there were some). If I get some time, I might upload the entire game film to youtube. I believe I have almost everything recorded except for the first 2 plays (both were Fowler completions).
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 16, 2019 14:40:25 GMT -5
also, of the footage that i saw, ifedi made some "accurate" passes in the spring game. but most of those passes did not have "zip" on the ball, meaning he kind of "floated" those passes out there as he had in the nc state game (when he played at ecu) that became an easy "pick 6" for nc state.
even his short slant pass into the endzone during the spring game should've been "intercepted" or knocked down but the db slightly missed contact with the ball.
i mean, its no secret that carter is my guy, so let's just go ahead and put that out there. but i'm sorry, ifedi's performance (of the footage that i saw) in the spring game in no way whatsoever should threaten carter's starting job. i saw accuracy, but i didn't see "zip". several of his completed passes had "int" written all over them had it been against better db's. he's got to know when to zip the ball versus when its safe to "float" the ball...
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 16, 2019 14:41:06 GMT -5
If I get some time, I might upload the entire game film to youtube. I believe I have almost everything recorded except for the first 2 plays (both were Fowler completions). That'd be great as long as the staff is cool with it.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 16, 2019 14:49:17 GMT -5
I would make it unlisted, of course, and only share the link in the private forum.
But trust me: there is not a ton of great football action, other than the highlights I have already posted.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 16, 2019 14:53:28 GMT -5
nor would i bench a 5th year senior who has carter's body of work for 2 very "unproven" qb's who have "zero" experience of playing in an intense college game while under intense pressure. hey, you're the one who said your most recent history is the best indicator of your future. so the question of whether or not i would start a 5th year senior should be addressed to you, not me. say all you want about carter, but neither ifedi nor fowler comes "remotely" close to being a better qb than carter. i know you won't admit it, but coach washington knows i'm telling the truth because he's already "publicly" stated as much... I think you are creating an imaginary debate in your head. I never said Carter would or wouldn't be the starter this season. That is ultimately up to the coaching staff. I said I have my serious doubts that he would be effective as the starting quarterback. I actually said that if Carter wins the starting job, get ready for the triple option. I think he is limited as a passer and has less potential upside than the other two guys on the roster. I think he is perfect for the role he has been given during his previous 4 years here: as a relief pitcher. In his most recent appearance as a starter, he did enough to get us the victory (mainly with his feet) ... but our vaunted aerial attack pretty much came to a grinding halt. carter still completed over 50% of his passes and he rushed for over 100 yards (which raynard has "never" come remotely close to doing) against ssu and we won the game. carter obviously is not raynard. so trying to emulate raynard's game is not carter's strength and i don't think our oc did a good job catering to kylil's strength as a passer in that game. personally, i don't feel that our oc did a good job at all game planning to use kylil against ssu but that's another entirely different subject. again, you can't just pick "one game" as an indicator of how carter would look if he's deemed the starting qb and gets most of the reps in preseason camp and weekly practices. he only got starters reps for just "1 week" last season, not the entire season as you expected him to look. again, look at how raynard looked in his very first start? did that define how he'd look in the future? i think not. nor should kylil's first start define his future...
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Post by bluehaze on Apr 16, 2019 15:06:16 GMT -5
I would make it unlisted, of course, and only share the link in the private forum. But trust me: there is not a ton of great football action, other than the highlights I have already posted. Please, do so.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 16, 2019 15:39:18 GMT -5
I never said Carter would or wouldn't be the starter this season. That is ultimately up to the coaching staff. I said I have my serious doubts that he would be effective as the starting quarterback. I actually said that if Carter wins the starting job, get ready for the triple option. I think he is limited as a passer and has less potential upside than the other two guys on the roster. I think he is perfect for the role he has been given during his previous 4 years here: as a relief pitcher. In his most recent appearance as a starter, he did enough to get us the victory (mainly with his feet) ... but our vaunted aerial attack pretty much came to a grinding halt. Exactly, no one is saying he wont start. He is clearly the front runner. But what will that result be if he does is what my main concern is?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 16, 2019 15:44:48 GMT -5
I never said Carter would or wouldn't be the starter this season. That is ultimately up to the coaching staff. I said I have my serious doubts that he would be effective as the starting quarterback. I actually said that if Carter wins the starting job, get ready for the triple option. I think he is limited as a passer and has less potential upside than the other two guys on the roster. I think he is perfect for the role he has been given during his previous 4 years here: as a relief pitcher. In his most recent appearance as a starter, he did enough to get us the victory (mainly with his feet) ... but our vaunted aerial attack pretty much came to a grinding halt. Exactly, no one is saying he wont start. He is clearly the front runner. But what will that result be if he does is what my main concern is? wrong. you said ifedi should start or should have the best chance to start. that's not saying carter is clearly the front runner...
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Post by saabman on Apr 16, 2019 15:55:02 GMT -5
I think you are creating an imaginary debate in your head. I never said Carter would or wouldn't be the starter this season. That is ultimately up to the coaching staff. I said I have my serious doubts that he would be effective as the starting quarterback. I actually said that if Carter wins the starting job, get ready for the triple option. I think he is limited as a passer and has less potential upside than the other two guys on the roster. I think he is perfect for the role he has been given during his previous 4 years here: as a relief pitcher. In his most recent appearance as a starter, he did enough to get us the victory (mainly with his feet) ... but our vaunted aerial attack pretty much came to a grinding halt. carter still completed over 50% of his passes and he rushed for over 100 yards (which raynard has "never" come remotely close to doing) against ssu and we won the game. carter obviously is not raynard. so trying to emulate raynard's game is not carter's strength and i don't think our oc did a good job catering to kylil's strength as a passer in that game. personally, i don't feel that our oc did a good job at all game planning to use kylil against ssu but that's another entirely different subject. again, you can't just pick "one game" as an indicator of how carter would look if he's deemed the starting qb and gets most of the reps in preseason camp and weekly practices. he only got starters reps for just "1 week" last season, not the entire season as you expected him to look. again, look at how raynard looked in his very first start? did that define how he'd look in the future? i think not. nor should kylil's first start define his future... I agree OSA also If you count the dropped passes and the one that the receivers dropped after being hit Carter had a fairly good game for his first start The question I have is ; what did Carter do that was so wrong in that game that would make some of you think that he should not be the starter ? Hale I have seen Raynard play a lot Worse in not just one game but a number of games last season . Is it that Carters body and build is that of a RB and not a typical QB . Optics do not win games players do and Carter is a player He just dose not have the Look that some of you have become used to And Carter looked a lot better then Raynard looked in his first start by far
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 16, 2019 16:59:51 GMT -5
Is it that Carters body and build is that of a RB and not a typical QB . Optics do not win games players do and Carter is a player He just dose not have the Look that some of you have become used to And Carter looked a lot better then Raynard looked in his first start by far saab, i think you hit the nail on the doggone head. i think for them it has more to do with his body type and his running style more than anything else. if he was tall and skinny with the same stats, they'd probably think differently. notice they can't argue his stats cuz his stats are indeed worthy of starting. they keep saying he pulled out games because he's a relief pitcher and teams weren't ready for him. well, raynard didn't pull out any games when he was quick's relief pitcher. but oh, i forgot! raynard is tall and skinny...
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