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Post by saabman on Jul 12, 2016 15:48:23 GMT -5
Amen naborhoodsuperstar !! As long as we continue to put a good product on the field
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 12, 2016 17:04:21 GMT -5
as long as the meac continues to abandon the playoffs, i will remain open to the idea of jumping to a pwc conference. granted, though i oppose the cb, i’m glad we won the inaugural event primarily because of the money. but i don’t like being “isolated” from the rest of the fcs at large and i don’t like being “solely defined” as an hbcu only which is what the cb does. and most of all, i’m not a “quitter” and i don’t believe in backing down from “challenges”. so yes, i personally will remain open to the idea of jumping to a pwc conference for as long as the meac remains committed to abandoning the fcs playoffs... oldschoolaggie, I felt the same way until Broadway said something that made a lot of sense( Me agreeing with Broadway. I know that's hard for some of you to believe) Budget wise we just cannot compete with the better D1-AA schools IE North Dakota St, Citadel etc... therefore it would be very difficult to have any success in the playoff. I thought the bowl game was going to be played on ESPN but when it was played live on ABC it does not get any better than that from an exposure standpoint. We could never get that just by entering into the Division 1 AA playoff. Not to mention the payoff. In my opinion this bowl game is going to be here for a while my brother. What I wish could happen is the have the Div.1-AA committee would invite the second best team in the MEAC. I think NCCU or SCST could had held there own last year. well, was it a surprise to you that coach broadway said something that we already knew? i mean, anybody who looks at the failure of hbcu’s relative to the fcs playoffs over the last couple of decades ought to know that hbcu’s didn’t lose playoff games “just because”. i mean, while a whole bunch of hbcu folk had been blaming “hbcu coaches” for being inferior to pwc coaches as the reason we loss 2 decades worth of playoff games to pwc’s, i was the one who said otherwise. i’ve never ever ever agreed that hbcu coaches are inferior to pwc coaches and that that was the reason we loss playoff games. i’ve been saying all along that its a combination of things, including a lack of funding and a much smaller recruiting pool. so broadway’s comments didn’t surprise me because i knew that all along. yet, that still doesn’t deter me from wanting to compete against the best in the playoffs. you folk can fool yourselves if you want to, but abandoning the playoffs and playing in the cb does not improve our football product. matter fact, i blamed that very concept (abandoning the playoffs) on the swac’s failure to maintain its dominance over the meac while we were still in the playoffs. drop out of the playoffs and the bar gets lowered because you no longer are concerned about competing against superior talent. my own personal prediction is that the swac will now regain their dominance over the meac in a few years because with the playoffs no longer in our cap, we no longer have an advantage over the swac. in fact, the swac now has more to offer recruits than the meac does. the swac has better facilities, larger crowds, and a far better historical football legacy than the meac. so we’ll see. but i don’t see our quality of football improving without us participating the playoffs and don’t be surprised if the swac begins to regain their “mojo” over the meac in the coming years...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jul 12, 2016 18:28:09 GMT -5
drop out of the playoffs and the bar gets lowered because you no longer are concerned about competing against superior talent. my own personal prediction is that the swac will now regain their dominance over the meac in a few years because with the playoffs no longer in our cap, we no longer have an advantage over the swac. in fact, the swac now has more to offer recruits than the meac does. the swac has better facilities, larger crowds, and a far better historical football legacy than the meac. so we’ll see. but i don’t see our quality of football improving without us participating the playoffs and don’t be surprised if the swac begins to regain their “mojo” over the meac in the coming years... I'm a huge sports fan - I watched the marginal to the large FBS bowl games. I watched the Celebration Bowl. How many FCS playoff games did I watch ---- ZERO. I'll be the first to say that what I do or don't do DOES NOT EQUATE to what others may or may not do........but the big sports fan I am, if I ain't watching FCS playoff games, it really cannot be that many people watching them either. FCS playoffs just don't move the sports meter. There's no way in the world we would've gotten the same publicity if we went to the FCS playoffs and played Charleston Southern. Whether we won or lost, it wouldn't have been on national TV anywhere. I said it on the day we won the Celebration Bow - I went to the grocery store the same day in A&T gear and white firefighters stopped me to talk about the school's victory......this would have NEVER HAPPENED (win or lose) if we would've played in the FCS playoff game(s). Paycheck ---- advantage Celebration Bowl Recruiting tool ---- advantage Celebration Bowl Increased school applications ---- advantage Celebration Bowl Program exposure ------ advantage Celebration Bowl I understand the points you're making OSA - I really do......but FCS playoff football is just a mere afterthought on the college football landscape. If it garnered greater attention or was held in high reverence, I'd be fighting tooth and nail to stay in the FCS playoffs. In the grand scheme of things, FCS playoffs simply don't matter. I respect what you're saying about the competitive advantage the MEAC may (not will) lose vs the SWAC by abandoning the playoffs, but as I've stated before, there's NO RULE which states MEAC schools cannot schedule quality OOC FCS opposition DURING THE REGULAR SEASON: Cases in point for 2016: Norfolk is playing Richmond and William & Mary Morgan is playing Holy Cross Hampton is playing William & Mary FAMU is playing Coastal Carolina Delaware State is playing Delaware and Monmouth Bethune Cookman is playing Alcorn and Tennessee State. We could have a tough FCS opponent on our schedule, but we still elect to play a CIAA foe for our annual scrimmage. I still don't care for that, but it is what it is. If MEAC schools play solid FCS competition and paycheck games versus FBS schools, we'll be more than prepared for the Celebration Bowl. We may not agree on this one, but until the FCS playoffs start : 1) Awarding checks to winners (instead of taking checks from winners) 2) Gaining national attention on the sports landscape .....how do they really benefit A&T or any MEAC school for that matter???
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Post by aggierattler on Jul 12, 2016 18:54:49 GMT -5
drop out of the playoffs and the bar gets lowered because you no longer are concerned about competing against superior talent. my own personal prediction is that the swac will now regain their dominance over the meac in a few years because with the playoffs no longer in our cap, we no longer have an advantage over the swac. in fact, the swac now has more to offer recruits than the meac does. the swac has better facilities, larger crowds, and a far better historical football legacy than the meac. so we’ll see. but i don’t see our quality of football improving without us participating the playoffs and don’t be surprised if the swac begins to regain their “mojo” over the meac in the coming years... I'm a huge sports fan - I watched the marginal to the large FBS bowl games. I watched the Celebration Bowl. How many FCS playoff games did I watch ---- ZERO. I'll be the first to say that what I do or don't do DOES NOT EQUATE to what others may or may not do........but the big sports fan I am, if I ain't watching FCS playoff games, it really cannot be that many people watching them either. FCS playoffs just don't move the sports meter. There's no way in the world we would've gotten the same publicity if we went to the FCS playoffs and played Charleston Southern. Whether we won or lost, it wouldn't have been on national TV anywhere. I said it on the day we won the Celebration Bow - I went to the grocery store the same day in A&T gear and white firefighters stopped me to talk about the school's victory......this would have NEVER HAPPENED (win or lose) if we would've played in the FCS playoff game(s). Paycheck ---- advantage Celebration Bowl Recruiting tool ---- advantage Celebration Bowl Increased school applications ---- advantage Celebration Bowl Program exposure ------ advantage Celebration Bowl I understand the points you're making OSA - I really do......but FCS playoff football is just a mere afterthought on the college football landscape. If it garnered greater attention or was held in high reverence, I'd be fighting tooth and nail to stay in the FCS playoffs. In the grand scheme of things, FCS playoffs simply don't matter. I respect what you're saying about the competitive advantage the MEAC may (not will) lose vs the SWAC by abandoning the playoffs, but as I've stated before, there's NO RULE which states MEAC schools cannot schedule quality OOC FCS opposition DURING THE REGULAR SEASON: Cases in point for 2016: Norfolk is playing Richmond and William & Mary Morgan is playing Holy Cross Hampton is playing William & Mary FAMU is playing Coastal Carolina Delaware State is playing Delaware and Monmouth Bethune Cookman is playing Alcorn and Tennessee State. We could have a tough FCS opponent on our schedule, but we still elect to play a CIAA foe for our annual scrimmage. I still don't care for that, but it is what it is. If MEAC schools play solid FCS competition and paycheck games versus FBS schools, we'll be more than prepared for the Celebration Bowl. We may not agree on this one, but until the FCS playoffs start : 1) Awarding checks to winners (instead of taking checks from winners) 2) Gaining national attention on the sports landscape .....how do they really benefit A&T or any MEAC school for that matter??? I was an anti-Celebration Bowl from the beginning until it was a signed, done-deal before the 2015 season started. I don't mind telling you that this was the best Celebration Bowl game post by any of us in quite a while... GIFSoup
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jul 13, 2016 10:11:11 GMT -5
My perspective is little different as I live in Frisco and they play the FCS Championship game at Toyota Field which is in Frisco, TX. North suburb of Dallas. The championship game is huge North Dakota State invades Frisco there is green and yellow everywhere. I have talked to many of the fans and they are loyal and follow their team...Its a bowl game atmosphere; i really dont remember seeing anyone from either of the opposing teams the last 3 years. It feels like the NDSU Bowl game.
I like Oldschool hated the fact that we were abandoning the playoffs. Initially I felt like the Celebration Bowl was going to be a joke as bad as the CIAA vs. MEAC bowl years ago...So much benefit has come from our Celebration bowl victory; National Stage, TV love from ESPN, it's a bowl game on ABC doing the holidays so people watch. The MEAC needs to insure the second place MEAC team is invited to the play-offs; based on the unique situation the Celebration Bowl has created. Now if our second place team is 500 or under no consideration should be given but if we can have a 8 win team that should almost guarantee a spot. (the MEAC mgt is very week so this is unlikely).
Bottom line the Celebration Bowl has brought to much to the table to look back and if you dont make it to the FCS Championship game you are turning your back on national exposure and increasing your spend. I would like to see us play one FBS team and one non HBCU FCS team on a yearly bases and I think that will help evaluate if we are advancing or stagnant.
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Post by DECKS on Jul 13, 2016 15:06:29 GMT -5
For some reason we seem to think the Celebration Bowl and playoffs are mutually exclusive? There are 11 football playing schools in the MEAC and it's a shame only one team will see post season action. That can happen if we schedule and start beating other FCS schools, but most conference schools aren't serious enough to make that commitment. We just want a paycheck.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jul 13, 2016 15:55:03 GMT -5
That's a good point Decks if any MEAC football playing member beats a Top 15 ranked FCS team and then loses one game in the conference (to MEAC champ). That would pretty much guarantee a bid. Thats why I stated the recipe for scheduling is that you always must have a Top tier FCS opponent on the schedule or a weaker FBS that you think you can beat. Some of the MEAC schools are only looking for $ and will schedule two top tier FBS programs for the $; but they should always have a Top Tier FCS school as that 3rd out of conference opponent to increase your chance of post season play.
Broadway likes his warm up game and I am ok with that as long as we have a strong FCS opponent on the schedule or a bottom tier FBS..
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jul 13, 2016 20:43:17 GMT -5
For some reason we seem to think the Celebration Bowl and playoffs are mutually exclusive? There are 11 football playing schools in the MEAC and it's a shame only one team will see post season action. That can happen if we schedule and start beating other FCS schools, but most conference schools aren't serious enough to make that commitment. We just want a paycheck. Sent from my SM-N910P using proboards Hey Decks, I don't have a problem with what you're saying either........but you need to preach these words to our athletic dept. If you all check my old posts, I have stated repeatedly (from the times we've played WV St, VU-Lynchburg, Shaw, Chowan and now St Aug).....these games do not help us. I'm telling you what I know, because I saw it for myself. Campbell, Davidson and Gardner-Webb ALL HAD SPOTS AVAILABLE on their schedule for us to work out a game between them.......we opted for another DII/CIAA school. I'm not being negative here.....I'M BEING REALISTIC. We could roll through the MEAC unscathed once again this year.....then roll down to Durham and lose for a 3rd straight time to Central. If this happens, there likely won't be a Celebration Bowl appearance and there likely won't be an FCS playoff birth......because we have NO OOC FCS OPPOSITION THIS YEAR. We will get money from Kent St and Tulsa......but in keeping things real as can be, we'll likely lose these games. We should know how the game goes by now. That ugly Elon win last year looked real pretty in December, didn't it. Aggies were pissed about how the band didn't travel there, how Elon never brings their crowd here, how this game is a lose-lose proposition for us...... THAT VICTORY GOT US INTO THE CELEBRATION BOWL!!!Just think about it ------ FOLKS WERE HOT AFTER WE LOST TO CENTRAL. Imagine if we didn't have the chance to redeem ourselves in the Celebration Bowl. Folks would be up on here still mad as fire because the last image in our minds for the 2015 season would have been Central beating our tails at Aggie Stadium. ELON GOT US TO ATLANTA in 2015.We have put ourselves on a much shorter leash in 2016, simply due to our inability to schedule properly. We can talk about having more options until our faces turn blue ---- but if we ain't doing what it necessary to open up more options for ourselves, we only have ourselves to blame.....
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Post by saabman on Jul 13, 2016 23:19:09 GMT -5
I like being on a short Leash . Because if we are as good as we think and say we are then prove it. Cut the BS we wanted the Big Boy pants now we got them . Now we just have to keep them on..lol
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jul 13, 2016 23:39:21 GMT -5
Saabman, Big Boy pants doesn't equate to St Aug on our schedule..... Just to clarify, what is your definition of our football program being on a "short leash?"
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Post by KidHeartless on Jul 14, 2016 8:18:05 GMT -5
conference play needs to be better across the board...not simple...but simple as that
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jul 14, 2016 9:24:25 GMT -5
I hear your issues NSS thats why I said if Coach feels like he has to have his CIAA tuneup thats his right. I like the Tulsa game maybe Kent State game should have been Garner Webb, Campbell, etc. Then you still have a high probability of a out of conference FCS win.
My guess is Coach feels we have a legit shot at beating Kent and his goal is to clean slate in the MEAC.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 14, 2016 9:27:42 GMT -5
just my personal opinion. but until i see it with my own eyes, i can’t bring myself to believe that an meac team will “ever” receive an at large bid to the playoffs. i think when we withdrew from the playoffs, the fcs selection committee no longer views the meac as a valid fcs conference. that’s why i probably wouldn’t setup a schedule based on the idea that we’d have a chance to gain an invite to the fcs playoffs.
to me, either we’re all in (the playoffs), or we’re all out. right now, as far as i’m concerned, we’re all out. so i don’t think its worth it to schedule as if we might get an invite. since we’re all out, might as well setup a schedule that is most likely to serve us the best as an “hbcu only” fcs team.
so if money is now our motivation, let’s setup a schedule to maximize revenue like we’re doing this year because i have no confidence that an meac team will ever receive an invite to the playoffs as an at large team...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jul 14, 2016 9:36:17 GMT -5
I hear your issues NSS thats why I said if Coach feels like he has to have his CIAA tuneup thats his right. I like the Tulsa game maybe Kent State game should have been Garner Webb, Campbell, etc. Then you still have a high probability of a out of conference FCS win. My guess is Coach feels we have a legit shot at beating Kent and his goal is to clean slate in the MEAC. Agreed. Tulsa is going to be a tough ask. But go take a look at Kent St's record from the last 4 years... that's as winnable of an FBS game that there is out there if our lines can hold up. And they haven't made a change in their coaching staff. Shoot... we SHOULD have beaten them in basketball. Also... with BCU playing North Texas (another winnable FBS game)... we may find that we really did need the Kent St. game after all.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jul 14, 2016 9:43:24 GMT -5
I agree the Kent St is a winnable game......the question is, will we win? It is still a lot to ask any FCS team to go to an FBS stadium and beat the home team. Ask Alcorn about the phantom whistles they got when they went to Southern Miss. If we beat Kent State, we better be ahead by a lot.....I don't trust the environment to be fair to us in a tight game.....
OSA, to be honest, if it is about setting up the schedule to maximize revenue, then renegotiating with WSSU to get yearly home games at Aggie Stadium is imperative. I'm not saying that's what we need to do; I'm just speaking from a "maximizing revenue" perspective. Another thing, if A&T had a 2016 schedule like our 2014 schedule......and would have beaten Coastal Carolina 31-30 instead of losing to them 31-30.......a 9-2 record, with a victory over a top 10 team would look VERY FCS PLAYOFF ATTRACTIVE in 2016.....
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