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Post by neon on Jul 11, 2016 10:11:38 GMT -5
Not that we are begging what if they come to us and ask us to leave the MEAC... Or better yet what if they made this package offer to bring us, dirty birds and lets say scs
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jul 11, 2016 11:39:38 GMT -5
Look at the Southern Conference 10 years ago.... Look at the Big South Conference 10 years ago.... Look at the MEAC Conference 10 years ago..... Look at them now.......which has been the most stable conference? Which conference has a prime bowl game that has a huge payout versus having to pay in for the playoffs. What exactly does A&T gain joining the Big South or Southern Conference? We don't need to switch conferences to improve our athletics.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jul 11, 2016 11:41:06 GMT -5
Not that we are begging what if they come to us and ask us to leave the MEAC... Or better yet what if they made this package offer to bring us, dirty birds and lets say scs Is this the old "White Ice is colder theory?" Hey the MEAC has its challenges but as NSS stated, we are still one of the most stable FCS conferences around. Sure we got some winners and losers teams but overall the conference is stable. Now if somehow A&T had the resources to move up to the Football Bowl Conference level then maybe we should be considering moving to another conference but that ain't happening. And to be honest, I hope we don't ever get stupid like FAMU did and start thinking like that. It takes more than a few great seasons and some "wannabe" funding geniuses, to make that step. We need someone with really deep pockets and a willingness to stick with us to make that giant leap. And to be honest, if we found that "sugar-daddy" I'd like them to invest those funds in helping more A&T students graduate or improve the on-campus student experience. We have the coaching staff and resources to be a solid competitor at the FCS level for the next few years. Let's work hard to be a major player at this level and pray that ESPN or somebody continues to offer a lucrative bowl opportunity for us. Hell if the Celebration Bowl continues to grow in funding and TV rating, there may be one or two PWI schools that will want to join the MEAC to get a piece of the action. Okay, that may be a little crazy but hey, they've been known to do some crazy stuff for money.
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Post by saabman on Jul 11, 2016 11:45:49 GMT -5
"Not that we are begging what if they come to us and ask us to leave the MEAC... Or better yet what if they made this package offer to bring us, dirty birds and lets say scs"
Try this : What if we are the inviter !The MEAC has been looking to expand to equal out it's numbers anyway . So we offer then a package deal to leave there conferences ! Do you think they will ?? I don't !!! So why should we Beg them for a invitation when they will not except the MEAC's invitation .
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jul 11, 2016 11:59:29 GMT -5
"Not that we are begging what if they come to us and ask us to leave the MEAC... Or better yet what if they made this package offer to bring us, dirty birds and lets say scs" Try this : What if we are the inviter !The MEAC has been looking to expand to equal out it's numbers anyway . So we offer then a package deal to leave there conferences ! Do you think they will ?? I don't !!! So why should we Beg them for a invitation when they will not except the MEAC's invitation . Honestly, I don't see any PWI school joining the MEAC... no matter if we ask or beg them. At this point, the MEAC has more to offer local FCS teams than most other local FCS conferences. It ain't much but with the ESPN regular season televised games along with the Celebration Bowl, it's more than most FCS conferences have. But those guys would rather drop down to DII rather than join a predominately Black Conference. I don't think their fan base (as small as it might be) would go for it. So despite some of the anger created by the Celebration Bowl, it may be one of the major factors in keeping the MEAC and its member football programs relevant. Not saying it's perfect, but it's an added bonus.
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Post by saabman on Jul 11, 2016 12:43:21 GMT -5
M1969 I agree 100% . Like I said in another post "We do not have to Beg them (PWC)to be in there show, when we are the biggest Show in Town" And I believe that. Your right on point they will not come to us so why do we have to go to or with them!! A lot do not be leave the Impact that the CB has had on D-1 HBCU & FCS Football. This Bowl game and it's ESPN Backing has not only moved D-1 HBCU/FCS football to the forefront on the national stage and trust me if we do not embrace and handle this opportunity right, we will lose it and may never get it back again !!
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Post by aggierattler on Jul 11, 2016 12:49:40 GMT -5
"Not that we are begging what if they come to us and ask us to leave the MEAC... Or better yet what if they made this package offer to bring us, dirty birds and lets say scs" Try this : What if we are the inviter !The MEAC has been looking to expand to equal out it's numbers anyway . So we offer then a package deal to leave there conferences ! Do you think they will ?? I don't !!! So why should we Beg them for a invitation when they will not except the MEAC's invitation . Honestly, I don't see any PWI school joining the MEAC... no matter if we ask or beg them. At this point, the MEAC has more to offer local FCS teams than most other local FCS conferences. It ain't much but with the ESPN regular season televised games along with the Celebration Bowl, it's more than most FCS conferences have. But those guys would rather drop down to DII rather than join a predominately Black Conference. I don't think their fan base (as small as it might be) would go for it. So despite some of the anger created by the Celebration Bowl, it may be one of the major factors in keeping the MEAC and its member football programs relevant. Not saying it's perfect, but it's an added bonus. I could see a PWC joining the MEAC at some point, but you'd best believe that it would be short-term and the quickest means-to-an-end that they could find.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 11, 2016 13:07:19 GMT -5
Now if somehow A&T had the resources to move up to the Football Bowl Conference level then maybe we should be considering moving to another conference but that ain't happening. And to be honest, I hope we don't ever get stupid like FAMU did and start thinking like that. It takes more than a few great seasons and some "wannabe" funding geniuses, to make that step. We need someone with really deep pockets and a willingness to stick with us to make that giant leap. And to be honest, if we found that "sugar-daddy" I'd like them to invest those funds in helping more A&T students graduate or improve the on-campus student experience. I agree with this 100%. Realistically thinking, this is the approach we wanna take. It's kind of similar to the approach App State took. I think Coastal is jumping the gun, but I think they have found some deep pockets and are like "screw it, lets go while we have the financial backing". Same with UNCC. We need to get with some deep pockets that we know aint going no where and dominate the hell out of FCS for a while. I'm sure that would please everyone way more than trying to make some type of conference jump or going FBS.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 11, 2016 13:53:08 GMT -5
as long as the meac continues to abandon the playoffs, i will remain open to the idea of jumping to a pwc conference. granted, though i oppose the cb, i’m glad we won the inaugural event primarily because of the money. but i don’t like being “isolated” from the rest of the fcs at large and i don’t like being “solely defined” as an hbcu only which is what the cb does. and most of all, i’m not a “quitter” and i don’t believe in backing down from “challenges”.
so yes, i personally will remain open to the idea of jumping to a pwc conference for as long as the meac remains committed to abandoning the fcs playoffs...
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Post by DECKS on Jul 11, 2016 15:21:25 GMT -5
Not that we are begging what if they come to us and ask us to leave the MEAC... Or better yet what if they made this package offer to bring us, dirty birds and lets say scs Then I say we strongly consider it, especially if it reduces travel distances. The BSC with A&T and NCCU would almost put every conference opponent within a 4 hour drive. Sent from my SM-N910P using proboards
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 12, 2016 7:20:18 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet (a small amount of money) that some Big South member leadership folks are studying the idea of moving to the MEAC. I know for certain that the loss of revenue from a playoff trip leaves a bad taste in the mouths of athletics dept. officials.
With the MEAC you get the prospect of selling more tickets to games (because hbcu alums travel in flocks to pwc away games, and locals come out to see the hbcu bands), the possibility of going to a bowl game that pays money as opposes to draining it, an easier road to the big dance in basketball, further inroads in recruiting in the northern MEAC states,...
With the Big South you get a conference that is flat out dying as far as football.
More positives in the MEAC in my opinion. I never thought I'd be able to say that.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jul 12, 2016 8:02:27 GMT -5
Makes a lot sense but emotions from any Big South alumni / fan base would prevent that from happening.
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 12, 2016 8:27:58 GMT -5
Money > emotions.
If the alumni/fan base shoots enough money to overcome the logic, then that's the case.
Likewise if the MEAC alumni/fan base were shooting enough money into our respective programs, there'd be no celebration bowl.
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Post by trues on Jul 12, 2016 9:30:06 GMT -5
as long as the meac continues to abandon the playoffs, i will remain open to the idea of jumping to a pwc conference. granted, though i oppose the cb, i’m glad we won the inaugural event primarily because of the money. but i don’t like being “isolated” from the rest of the fcs at large and i don’t like being “solely defined” as an hbcu only which is what the cb does. and most of all, i’m not a “quitter” and i don’t believe in backing down from “challenges”. so yes, i personally will remain open to the idea of jumping to a pwc conference for as long as the meac remains committed to abandoning the fcs playoffs... oldschoolaggie, I felt the same way until Broadway said something that made a lot of sense( Me agreeing with Broadway. I know that's hard for some of you to believe) Budget wise we just cannot compete with the better D1-AA schools IE North Dakota St, Citadel etc... therefore it would be very difficult to have any success in the playoff. I thought the bowl game was going to be played on ESPN but when it was played live on ABC it does not get any better than that from an exposure standpoint. We could never get that just by entering into the Division 1 AA playoff. Not to mention the payoff. In my opinion this bowl game is going to be here for a while my brother. What I wish could happen is the have the Div.1-AA committee would invite the second best team in the MEAC. I think NCCU or SCST could had held there own last year.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jul 12, 2016 10:16:14 GMT -5
The MEAC is in the catbird seat.....we ain't gotta do a damn thing. If the Big South crumbles; if the Southern Conference crumbles; oh well...... Personally, I don't see how any football school in the Big South feels comfortable about the conference's future. CCU is gone. Liberty will be gone. You're left with a bunch of vagabond schools, from Monmouth to Kennesaw State. This ain't viable.....
I don't see how Charleston Southern can stay in this dwindling conference. Personally, I don't see how Elon makes sense in the Colonial Conference either. I look at Campbell in the Pioneer League. That conference spreads from Jacksonville, Florida (Jacksonville Univ) to Indianapolis, Indiana (Butler) to San Diego, California (U. of San Diego). You gotta be kidding me. How can any legitimate rivalries be established when you're separated by 3000+ miles?
Again, if I'm the MEAC, I'm sitting back, smoking a cigar, and sippin' on some Hennessy while the conferences around me are struggling to remain viable.......I repeat - we ain't gotta do nuthin (pardon the Ebonics).
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